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Adobe Shows Off Flash-to-HTML5 Converter

WilliamLondon said:
Except that Apple is actually a hardware company, not a software company. They produce and sell software to make their hardware more appealing. Not sure I can see a reason why they should produce a tool to turn Flash into HTML. I'm sure they'd do a good job, but wouldn't it be better to leave it to those who build those kinds of tools?
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Apple makes software to help mousse their hardware sales. This is a case of putting your money where your mouth is. They want HTML5 adoption because it would help push their hardware, they need to make it a viable platform by providing tools.

Thinking like you do, we wouldn't have Xcode and Interface builder. Hey, Apple is not in the business of making developer tools, wouldn't it be better to leave it to those who build those kinds of tools ? :rolleyes:

It's easy to play armchair quarterback.
 
WilliamLondon said:
Except that Apple is actually a hardware company, not a software company. They produce and sell software to make their hardware more appealing.
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So are they a software company or not? The way I see it Apple sells software but locks you into there hardware making them... a software company.
 
CZSZSZ said:
I can not agree more. Adobe is a great software company, they do great stuff
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Yes, that is from the latest Dreamweaver. From http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/
 
KnightWRX said:
It's funny that everyone pushes HTML5 and calls Flash crap, yet the only company making good tools to make Canvas apps is the company responsible for Flash itself.

Maybe Apple should use some of its billions to make an HTML5 authoring app before calling other vendors lazy.:rolleyes:
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Haha you are so right!

It's not like Apple would be going out on a limb to develop HTML5 tools with it's BILLIONS in cash. Even though the project itself might not be too profitable, in the long run, it could only help them.

BTW, I was very surprised that the new iWeb had no mention of HTML5... Lame if you ask me.
 
Flash Player 9 and 10 can play h.264 video as long as it's been "fast started". So we don't bother with creating Flash content at all. We just do this at the server end for those browsers that can't handle the video tag.

Code: 
#ls -l /our/video/files
-rw-rw-r--  1 user group 512M Oct 1 1:01 h264_file_qtfs.m4v
lrwxrwxrwx  1 user group   30 Oct 1 1:01 h264_file_qtfs.m4v.flv -> h264_file_qtfs.m4v

The only bad part is that Firefox knows the video tag but doesn't play h.264, so in the web front end I have to use a couple lines of javascript so Firefox loads the Flash player.

I know somebody's going to bring up people with old Flash players... maybe there's a legitimate reason for those folks not to upgrade; but, given Flash's history of major security holes, I don't feel compelled to enable them in any way, shape, or form.
 
Now Flash can exist forever in an undead state.

On the user-facing side, it looks like Adobe is trying to kill Flash with this new converter, and I think it's a huge step forward. But the converter also makes it easy for Flash developers to keep on developing in Flash long after HTML5 has become the de facto standard.

So Flash will eventually disappear from web sites no matter what Adobe does. But the converter will keep Flash developers employed. The best of both worlds?
 
KnightWRX said:
It's funny that everyone pushes HTML5 and calls Flash crap, yet the only company making good tools to make Canvas apps is the company responsible for Flash itself.

Maybe Apple should use some of its billions to make an HTML5 authoring app before calling other vendors lazy.:rolleyes:
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Perhaps Apple knows that Adobe can do it Better.
That is way Jobs said that Adobe is lazy.
Adobe was almost pushed in doing this!

Adobe ( a cross platform company ) and Microsoft should be at the front doing it, not Apple ( competes at many fronts already!).
 
Ochyandkaren said:
Perhaps Apple knows that Adobe can do it Better.
That is way Jobs said that Adobe is lazy.
Adobe was almost pushed in doing this!
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Except for the fact that this was announced before the Open Letter on Flash :

http://www.9to5mac.com/15830/Flash-CS5-will-export-to-HTML5-Canvas

Look at the date. Adobe has been working on this for a while.

Seriously, maybe Apple should take a good long look at themselves before calling others lazy. 64 bit, OpenCL, Grandcentral, all nice features of Snow Leopard, but where is the application support even in Apple's own software ? Cocoa migration took how long ?

It's sad that they called Adobe lazy but Adobe shipped their flagship software products rewritten in Cocoa before Apple did some of theirs.

A lot of people take what Steve says as gospel here, but the reality is the man is arrogant and condescending. He's obviously wrong on quite a number of subjects and it just makes it worse when some people here repeat all these wrong things ad nauseum even after being shown it was wrong in the first place.
 
Narayen > Ballmer.

Adobe's CEO Narayen is showing the world that he and his company are capable of evolving rapidly when necessary. They've milked Flash for all it's worth, but times change. (We'll see how rapidly they adapt to Mac OS X 10.7 "Lion" and beyond though. Took the a decade to move all their apps to Mac OS X.)

Ballmer, on the other hand, keeps trying to jam Windows into different computer form factors despite overwhelming evidence that Windows only works on legacy desktop and laptop pee cees. What is the name of Microsoft's pad computing OS? Ballmer says "It's called 'Windows.'"

Adobe doesn't equate its worth with the success of Flash. Flash is just one little brick in the wall of Adobe's software offerings. Microsoft does equate its worth with the success of Windows. Microsoft isn't in the software business any more. They're in the Windows business, and they're just as locked-in as the hapless IT managers running Windows shops around the world.

OK, that's enough of an anti-Microsoft rant. Didn't mean to get that far off topic.
 
Mattie Num Nums said:
So are they a software company or not? The way I see it Apple sells software but locks you into there hardware making them... a software company.
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As I said, and as Apple themselves declares themselves to be, they are a hardware company. Selling hardware requires software, otherwise it's just a great big door stop, so they produce software to run on their lovely hardware.

They are a hardware company. They sell hardware. The software is developed and sold in order to sell their hardware. Hardware.
 
WilliamLondon said:
As I said, and as Apple themselves declares themselves to be, they are a hardware company. Selling hardware requires software, otherwise it's just a great big door stop, so they produce software to run on their lovely hardware.

They are a hardware company. They sell hardware. The software is developed and sold in order to sell their hardware. Hardware.
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Dell sells hardware too. Where is the mythical Dell operating system or Dell office suite or Dell photo app or Dell movie editor ? :rolleyes:

Apple is a systems vendor. They sell vertically integrated systems. You're saying it yourself, their software is there to provide an edge to their hardware. If their hardware requires HTML5 and they want to critique others for not being fast enough in supporting what isn't even a finished standard, they need to shut it and write the software themselves.

Even the W3C that is writing the standard is not recommending mass deployment at this time.
 
Well, I guess even Adobe can't deny that Flash is not the future in the long run. Good to see that they prepare for the future.

I hope tools like this are only temporary. Don't think it will produce really good HTML5, will probably be slow and not optimized HTML5 - you know, garbage in, garbage out (probably like using MS Word to write HTML pages - yes it is more or less legal html, but still bad html)

Well, this tool is good for the transition phase, but hopefully they change there tools to fully support HTML5 without going 'write flash and save as html5'

Anyway: glad to see that Adobe is not sleeping.
 
0815 said:
Well, I guess even Adobe can't deny that Flash is not the future in the long run. Good to see that they prepare for the future.

I hope tools like this are only temporary. Don't think it will produce really good HTML5, will probably be slow and not optimized HTML5 - you know, garbage in, garbage out (probably like using MS Word to write HTML pages - yes it is more or less legal html, but still bad html)

Well, this tool is good for the transition phase, but hopefully they change there tools to fully support HTML5 without going 'write flash and save as html5'

Anyway: glad to see that Adobe is not sleeping.
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But you have to understand how legacy code work to understand why this will help kill off flash quicker. A lot of sites and things have been built in flash over the years and while they would love to go to HTML5 they do not have the time, money and motivation to convert everything over from flash to HTML5 so they just keep updating the flash app/site and adding new things.
This would allow them to take the existing stuff and get it converted quickly over from flash to HTML5. Chances are they will never mess with that part of the code again and just keep adding stuff to it.
Something to look at for example is at all the fortrain and COBAL code out there. A lot of it has been coverted over to C++ or has a C++ front end on it but good part of the core of the code is written in Cobal or Fortrain. They do not want to risk screwing up the old stuff in coveting it straight over.
 
Ochyandkaren said:
Perhaps Apple knows that Adobe can do it Better.
That is way Jobs said that Adobe is lazy.
Adobe was almost pushed in doing this!
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Talk about drinking apple kool-aid, Jobs has fought adobe every step of the way in regards to flash. Every time Adobe tried to improve it Jobs stood in their way and prevented them from doing so.
 
I can see them improving their Flash environment tool for converting to more standards, as I've always thought flash websites aside from some games were gimmicky.
I remember a statement from Apple or someone, stating that Flash wasnt interactive...er was only interactive with a mouse and not truly hands on interactive and still needed a dedicated point device for the most part and that rang true too me its just a layer on top of another layer when it comes to full on flash sites.

I guess one less thing to have to maintain and update is nice, half the time I dont even know if its uptodate or working properly or not.

But if Apple took advantage of this sort of open market to have an app or tool (iWeb might work) for all the things they want to initiate and people to follow along too would be fantastic.
 
Flash forever and ever! :)

It is by far the best (if not the only) technology which provides seamless multiplatform as well as screen and resolution independent experience...

Check what is coming in 2011!

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flash/molehill/

It is the future with or without the Apple :)

HTML5 export sounds great too but I don't think it will be major player in Flash world...
 
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