In a way he's like a cult leader. As soon as Steve said that Adobe is lazy, immediately I predicted that from that day forward his fanboys were going to repeat that over and over again, and crowbar it even when it doesn't make sense. I knew that was going to happen, because I saw it before, Apple says one thing, exaggerates it or lies about it, and then you see the mac fanboys repeating it over and over on the internet. Fanboys are different than sensible minded mac users.
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Adobe Shows Off Flash-to-HTML5 Converter
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Yep,it's funny people are calling adobe lazy when I'm still waiting for Final Cut Pro to be using any of those new technologies.
Exactly again. One of the main reason why I sold my Mac, not only did it not have most of the programs that I use on Windows, but whenever I found an interesting app, I couldn't use it because I needed the latest version of OSX. I refused to buy it just for that reason.
As i wrote Apple is competing in most fronts than Adobe.
And advances in open web should be prompted by Adobe itself.
Imagine if Microsoft is secretly doing what Adobe should be doing, it will kill Flash in a flash, and i'm sure Apple will not like that either.
Nope.
Adobe is really lazy, Steve jobs was not the first person to say that. Look at AE forums for examples.
When one say Adobe is lazy, one is criticizing Adobe for not standing High as it should be.
Since when criticism in a Democracy is an Evil thing?
Criticism is good!
You criticize who you care about, and insult who you do not like.
Again Criticism is good!
Fanboys are sport heads with many bottle of beer, empty ones.
The Adobe rep claimed that himself so it's perfectly valid. Whether or not the Adobe rep was correct is another story.
I don't see Adobe as a lazy company. I see a lot more evidence of Apple being lazy with their software than Adobe.
Exactly...
This article is NEWS only for this site while anyone who had slight or remote interest in the issue knew that this is coming for quite some time...
Anyway I will post this link again:
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flash/molehill/
...mainly for MR site but also for the rest of the community so they are properly informed and don't look silly
Have a good look at that video and get ready for some awesome stuff
Again context and time frame.
When the Adobe rep claimed that I believe it was several years after they announced they were done with Apple.
It was not announced in 1997. It was stated sometime after OSX was released.
I did not wrote that Apple is not lazy.
I wrote that Adobe is lazy!
I wrote that Apple is competing in more fronts than Adobe, that explains Why Apple left-out some things it shouldn't.
Now there is no reason for Adobe laziness, who Adobe is competing with?
Itself?
Given the reltive size of Apple not a valid argument.
Apple is lazy or cheap and lazy.
some of us are putting food on the table using flash, still. so this converter is a welcome addition.
Never put your eggs in one basket.
Adobe should provide that, no one right now can do it.
But shame you if you criticize Adobe.
if that converter could be made to work super efficient on the ipad the pc industry will get a dirt nap. Apple wouldn't be able to handle the ipad demand. But I doubt this will happen. We'll see.
So is it Adobe vs Apple?
That is not my argument.
Apple fights Windows vendors cartel, fights Android vendors cartel.
Adobe fights itself when not doing things well.
World wide Apple is tiny, i am sure 90% or more of people around the world never heard of Apple.
Anyone can survive without a Mac, but a great number of people out there cannot put food on table without some of Adobe's trademark.
So which company is really tiny?
ok, hold it right there, mr. adobe PR department flack.
this post went from nonsensical to insane in about 2 seconds.
You people will never be happy until Adobe fails and all of it's employees are out of a job. If anybody else released this you'd love it, it's amazing how easily Jobs can make his followers blindly hate something so passionately. Do you people all share the same brain?
Can't really argue on the Cocoa migration, but...
OpenCL, GCD and 64-bit are not clear cut "Do this and profit" moves. I don't include QTKit in my app just because I can, I include it because it enables a certain feature.
OpenCL is specialized in the sense that you need largeish data sets to endlessly churn on for OpenCL to be beneficial. This really benefits situations where I run the same operation on a large blob of data (images, 3D data are obvious ones). It doesn't help situations where you are mostly doing conditional logic and branching.
64-bit in general is a ~10% speed gain on x64 procs because of extra registers, not because 64-bit is faster or inherently better. In the PPC world, if you didn't need the extra bits, then you would keep compiling for 32-bit since it was actually faster than 64-bit. Including the 64-bit kernel, but leaving it off by default for awhile was actually a smart move, as it gave developers time to test their kexts on a real 64-bit kernel before the switch started getting flipped on new hardware. 10% may be important on a high-perf app (say, Handbrake, etc), but not so much in simpler apps.
GCD is a bit more obvious: If you are doing threading, use GCD. If you are doing a lot of time-intensive work on the main thread, you should be using threading. There are other situations where you can easily just use async I/O and other things to avoid blocking the main thread, and avoid spawning threads, and not need GCD for that.
None of this stuff is something where I jump out of my seat and think every developer needs to be using it 100% of time on the platform.
In the case of Carbon vs Cocoa, I can definitely understand the ire of watching Apple take longer than everyone else. They came out and called Carbon a dead-end. But for technologies that aren't meant to be applicable in all situations? I just can't buy that they aren't allowed to make the same value vs cost judgements the rest of the programming world is allowed to make.
wow, Adobe really is getting the performance right. Even in 10.1 I recognized a significant improvement.
Maybe Flash won't die as soon as Apple wants it to die...
I applaud Adobe for seeing that technology was going to run away from it and moving to intercept. I really would rather not see them as a company become less relevant as Flash dies slowly. In fact, I'd like to see them come out with a major product directed at HTML5, and it looks like they may simply work on repurposing Flash (the content creation software, not the browser plugin) to be that product. I'm all for that.
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Again it is Apple vs Adobe?
I wonder why people throw fanboy at people who argue favoring Apple.
Didn't Apple say :
•*Adobe show us what you got?
Adobe is now showing?