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Once pixelmator picks up .EPS format and allows you to actually "use" it properly (like photoshop, allowing you to make edits to sizes as it's a vector before it imports) I will be dropping photoshop altogether.

Pixelmator still lacks necessary tools that are included in Photoshop like Path tools, etc.
 
Except again if those "issues" are not Adobe but Apple issues. Wait and see before you start name calling.



I used Flash back in my Pentium II 333 mhz days to watch vertex based animations/movies and play games. It worked like a charm. Flash's "CPU hog" reputation comes from its software decoder for video.

Seriously folks, wait and see. Less egg on your face if you happen to be 100% wrong. We don't know the source of the problem yet, there's no reason to lambast Apple or Adobe in this. It could simply be a bug.



Microsoft used VDA. :rolleyes: Or maybe they used QTkit, but that prevents them from doing post on frames before displaying them. Which with Flash would break a lot of existing functionality.

QTKit shipped earlier, but not by much (see the post by Eidorian) and was completely inadequate.
You ran Mac OS on Pentium II 333mhz? wow



Microsoft used VDA... or Or maybe they used QTkit or maybe they used voodoo magic.. or maybe MS and apple had backroom dealings or maybe Apple hate Flash, or maybe Adobe tried to fix Flash for Lion and Apple sent ninja to kill their Flash plugin programmers and wipe their harddrive.

right IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW, before Apple calling out Adobe, Apple used voodoo magic to block Adobe from having access to core animation framework!
 
How funny. I just went to the Nike site on Snow Leopard to take a look at your example and the flash player crashed with an error report. I'm now staring at a blank screen saying "plugin failure".

How typical.

funny works fine on my MBA with SL - maybe you using craptastic Safari
 
"With OS X Lion now hiding the user Library folder by default, users may need to use Finder's "Go to Folder" command to access preferences and other user settings for Adobe applications."

Well, there is just example of Apple dumbing down for the masses. Eventually, they will have all their software locked down so that you will be using the settings Apple thinks is best for you, and only if the software is being served from their app store. Linux is looking better every day, and in the near future, I will probably using Apple only for their iToys... unless I go with Android.
 
I love how people always complain about how bad flash is because of the high CPU usage.

Has any of you tried to put oh say a hundred or more picture on your ipad/iphone via itunes?
It usues 100% of my processor, makes my macpro heat up to 100celcius and generally takes forever...
Not to mention the "optimizing" of the pictures is horrible....

And thats NOT an adobe product... OS X has major issues with certain things, so i would not be sure its just "Adobe's" problem.
Since i never have my PC hit 100% CPU used and i use adobe products as a photographer/web developer all the time on windows 7.
 
wow, these Adobe guys are Lazy. I may stop using Adobe products all together and switch my Lightroom/Photoshop combo all together.

good luck with that - sure some silly ipad photo programe will be better for you - make sure to put it on your resume as well -

we always have a nice laugh at the office when we see them :)
 
Again guys, cool it with the name calling. Apple probably didn't do this on purpose, no more than Adobe is just being lazy.

I didn't see where he called any names... but whatever. So, you don't like Adobe? It's no secret that Apple doesn't want Flash on their machines because it shows the limitations of the hardware. Apple also doesn't like another company to have such popularity unless they get a piece of the action. Apple and Adobe fighting is not a good thing for consumers. Adobe does what it does best and so does Apple. Without Adobe, you might as well kiss all professional development goodbye on the Mac platform. Of course, with the discontinuation of Final Cut Studio, and the dumbing down of their OS by turning it into an iOS hybrid - I would say that Apple doesn't care. Apple is working towards getting out of that market in favor of being solely a consumer content/devices company. Adobe doesn't serve that model and they create hardware/software challenges that makes Apple look bad.
 
Oh I don't know this is Adobe after all. Nothing new here.

OK, so here's my long overdue Adobe rant. I've been a designer for 20 years and up until about 6 years ago genuinely thought that Adobe were the dog's b0llcks. Since then...

Firstly, don't even get me started on pricing for UK customers or offering PhotoShop 7 owners a £300 upgrade path to the full CS3 when full CS2 owners (who spent £1200) had to pay £800...?

More importantly, day in and day out, why... in an integrated "Suite"... do I single click a colour in Photoshop to edit it, and double click in Illustrator? Why can I drag a stroke colour to the fill square in Illustrator but not drag the background colour to the foreground square in Photoshop (perhaps to use as the basis for a slight variant)? Why can I drag a colour to the palette in .ai but not in .ps? Why can I not round corners of a square in .ai the way I do in Indesign? Why does pathfinder work differently in .indd and ai?

These are just a few of hundreds of minor issues. So small that they should not even find their way onto a forum. And by CS5 they are not sorted. Granted, I've not bought CS5.5 as I've had enough of Adobe now, but jeez... by version 5 they're still working in separate rooms...?

Adobe of late is lazy. End of. They lack intuition, their software is buggy (I have 16gb of RAM and .ps still likes to quit out on me with alarming regularity) and they could not be ar5ed to get .ps up to 64 bit when the likes of Maxon (who probably had a much easier job, to be fair) were 64 bit with C4D in days.

Flash is becoming a joke. Yes, we all still claim we 'need' it because there's so much out there that uses it, but that does not mean its any good...today. Flash's day is going fast. Javascript, CSS3 and HTML5 will make everyone see, bit by bit, just how seriously flawed and out of date it is. Those who pine its loss should fire off a letter to Steve asking if he can bring floppy drives back. Heck, we all mourned their loss because we had loads of stuff written to them, but we were wrong. Floppies weren't the future and they needed to go, however hard the wrench.

Adobe... meet Frank Gallagher (Literally a shameless layabout)
Flash... meet floppy disk.
 
Steve doesn't care what we like. Soon there will be 300 posts defending this and stating how flash is unnecessary, Adobe sucks, etc etc. Just like you don't need flash on an iPad, but a lot of sites I visit require it. The problem is the user, not the equipment. Steve knows best.
Just for reference, flash on android, outside of playing occasional videos is a total joke, and even that is hit or miss depending on your hardware. Cant blame apple for that. In this case, i’d have to agree with steve. :eek:
 
When I read Steve Job's statement you must remember that it came after months of accusation that Jobs was being some kind of control freak (which he is) and refusing to let Adobe Flash run on iOS out of shear arrogance. Jobs did not throw the first stone. However, after months of that crap he responded to it, because from his point of view Adobe had been promising Apple a good version of Flash Player on iOS since 2007. Then when he refuses to approve their shoddy player for iPad and releases without it Adobe went on the offensive in the press. Steve Jobs made a single statement about it expressing his views in the years-old debate and has made no further comments. Adobe has kept slinging the mud. I'm sure Apple had some things to do on their end to get Flash Player working, but it was as if Adobe wanted to do nothing and Apple to just make it work from their end. Jobs wasn't buying into that.

You must be Jobs' shoeshiner.
Keep it up. One day, he'll send you a lollipop.
 
I kinda have a feeling Apple wants to make flash look bad by deliberately disabling hardware acceleration for it. Then they can blame Adobe for not updating it and Apple gets one more excuse to forbid it on iOS. :(

with 4% of global PC market share and SAFARI no where near Firefox, Chome and IE nobody will notice

iOS devices get sent to mobile sites anyway

relax :cool:
 
just another nail apple pounded in flashes coffin

Yea, I'm sure that Apple will be the death of flash since they are the dominant player in the computer world and most computers are Macs. :rolleyes:

So tired of Apple continually acting like petulant children.

Be careful, people won't like you if post things like that. :D

I actually like reading Apple / Flash posts. Good debate. I don't like Flash but I think it's purpose in life was to get people thru the IE 6 years and differences in HTML among browsers and limitations. In that respect, I am thankful that Flash was developed. Hopefully, this problem with Flash will be fixed in a later version soon until it can be replaced forever with open standards.

You have made a very sensible, logical statement. Unfortunately, there is little sense of logic here outside of "Apple is the best" "Flash sucks" etc.

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Any site that still requires flash these days is doing it wrong.

Tell that to the millions that do.:rolleyes:

So all you blinded fanatics are missing the point. what about backward compatibility? you really don't see beyond your noses. Have you realized that all design firms in the world use adobe products with apple platforms?

Most adobe products have become a standard in terms of graphic design, photo editing and web design and no, it is not like adobe forgot to make an update... they are not supposed to do it, the new OS MUST be backward compatible.

Apple is changing the rules with every update and I quote: "Many Adobe applications are dependent on the Oracle Java Runtime Environment (JRE) for some features to work. Apple recently changed the way it includes Java in Mac OS, and with Lion, Java is no longer preinstalled; it is now an optional install that the user must select."

Oracle Java is FREE and it's been around for a long time, and now because "stevie" said so, it must be removed from the OS.

And about the flash player subject... flash has been around for about 10 years and people should think in how to work together instead of stating that flash is over.

While you complaint about flash... people with actual brains make beautiful things that use both html5 and flash: http://www.orangecinemaseries.fr/evenement/universeries/en/

Another sensible, logical, open minded reply. It won't be well received here.
 
How funny. I just went to the Nike site on Snow Leopard to take a look at your example and the flash player crashed with an error report. I'm now staring at a blank screen saying "plugin failure".

How typical.

It sounds like your Mac is a lemon.

Have you checked your memory? One bad region can cause a problem in some instances, but not in others.

Just for reference, I tried that site on my MacBook Pro (10.6.8) via Chrome, FireFox, and Safari and it caused no problems.

For more reference and just because I can, I tried it on my BlackBerry PlayBook, my ASUS Transformer, and my Nexus One. And I'm happy to report that NONE of them crashed. I would test it on my iPad, but Apple doesn't support any 3rd party plug-in for "business" reasons..
 
One would have though that maybe Adobe should be a member of Apple's developer's program so they can get pre-releases of the new OS and not be taken be surprise on release day.

Why was Adobe not working on this problem months ago?

They were too busy preparing for the rush of Mac users deserting Final Cut and switching to Adobe since the new version of Final Cut is so so lame.

When as Apple offered the same courtesy to Adobe in the past ? Seriously, wasn't it Steve Jobs that called them lazy, which is the oft repeated mantra around here... :rolleyes: And seriously, he called them lazy over Flash, when it required Apple to ship a framework to help fix... and when Apple did, Adobe implemented it in less than a week.

No, I do think that they didn't have to be courteous seeing the circumstances. Apple has been nothing be arrogant towards Adobe. I don't see where they deserve such respect.

Oh boy, now you're going to upset the loyalists.

Flash has never worked good on OSX. Barely works on Windows.

The strange thing with Flash for Lion is that it is multithreaded. Somehow it now consumes more then 1 CPU. I have 160-180% cpu utilization when using flash. This is on an I7 2.66ghz.

Flash needs to die. It does not bring anything we need.

Apple should just buy Adobe and dissolve the company.

I have on old Windows XP computer with a Pentium 4 that still handles flash without any problems at all. What's Apples problem with this?
 
Another reason not to install Lion.

As far as I am concerned, this is one the reasons to upgrade to Lion. That much closer to getting rid of all Microsoft and Adobe products. Think of it this way, one of the 12 steps (pun intended) to being Adobe free.
 
????

I just tried a couple of youtube 1080p videos on my mid-2010 MBP (just one generation before the Sandy Bridge) and they ran smooth as butter. My CPU use stayed at around 8%. Before anyone asks, I was not using the HTML5 version of youtube.

XBMC is also running brilliantly with 1080p stuff using VDA.

Can someone provide a link to a youtube video that has problems?
 
"With OS X Lion now hiding the user Library folder by default, users may need to use Finder's "Go to Folder" command to access preferences and other user settings for Adobe applications."

Well, there is just example of Apple dumbing down for the masses. Eventually, they will have all their software locked down so that you will be using the settings Apple thinks is best for you, and only if the software is being served from their app store. Linux is looking better every day, and in the near future, I will probably using Apple only for their iToys... unless I go with Android.


I feel you on that. It's like Steve Jo- Big Brother thinks everyone is an idiot and needs to have their hand held when using a computer.... which is actually true, most people especially mac users but for those of us who are tech savvy and bought a mac for legit reasons are now slowly getting the shaft.

I remember when Apple used to care about its computers. Those days are long gone.
 
No, they needed the framework because there was no other way to support hardware accelerated decoding of h.264 on OS X for something like Flash that requires decoded frames, not just a control that plays back video. Lazyness has nothing to do with it.

VDA is the only low-level framework on OS X that gives them this functionality. It appeared in April of 2010. The Flash player that supported it shipped in April 2010.

That isn't lazy, that's waiting on Apple. :rolleyes:

Maybe if you want some credibility, you could offer another solution they could have used ? I'm waiting, oh great OS X software developer.

you wont get one because he is not a developer just like everyone talking nonsense about Adobe (and mentioning Pixelmaker) is not a designer

this is the iOS generation, you can not ask hard questions anymore ;)
 
I.Like.It

This confused me until I realized they were mimicking the action of iOS devices. Once I got that straight in my brain, it was less of an issue.

Amazing how engrained the traditional scrolling is though.
 
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