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I don't even understand the argument you're making. If Apple wanted to do that, they'd have every right to. They don't have some sort of obligation to offer anything on any device.

The argument I'm making with the internet lockout has no implications on the legality of "blocking the internet" on an apple device (as such a device would almost certainly fail in the market, no-one would even attempt a monopoly lawsuit). I just extended Job's argument against having an open platform due to the possibility of porn apps to the internet. As is well known, the internet is full of porn. How could Jobs claim the inability to install apps outside of the app store puts children at risk of encountering porn more-so than the ability to surf the internet? He quite simply can't and assuming you wouldn't let him block the entirety of the internet for such a reason (and by "not let", I simply mean you "wouldn't buy"), how could you allow him to block apps for this reason?
 
I'm still waiting for someone to explain specifically what law and what section Apple is breaking.

For Sherman to apply, you'd have to show that:
1. Apple has effective control of the market. Since they have 15% of smartphones world wide and less than 10% of all cell phones, that's going to be hard.
2. You'd have to show that that they abused that monopoly power to restrict a competitor. Last time I checked, Adobe doesn't make cell phones.

But I'll be happy to listen to a well-reasoned argument of specific laws that Apple might have broken.

How about some facts rather than speculation? Gartner has historically NEVER been right about anything involving Apple. I documented a Gartner shell game to try to make Apple look bad back in the 90's - and they've never changed.

Apple says that 64% of Internet access is from iDevices, not 99.4%. Not to mention, of course, that 'software downloaded via cell phone for use on mobile devices, but excluding lots of devices we don't want to count' isn't a relevant market for antitrust purposes.

It depends on how Adobe presents their case and how the court deems to define the "market", if they go by platform and app downloads, Apple is absolutely a HUGE player. If they go by phones or something else, then not so much.

Doesn't do much good to argue or speculate on what the law suit would actually settle! There are ways for Adobe to argue though. It is not black and white, there are arguments for both sides, hence the legal system will work it out!
 
It depends on how Adobe presents their case and how the court deems to define the "market", if they go by platform and app downloads, Apple is absolutely a HUGE player. If they go by phones or something else, then not so much.

Doesn't do much good to argue or speculate on what the law suit would actually settle! There are ways for Adobe to argue though. It is not black and white, there are arguments for both sides, hence the legal system will work it out!

+1 Duh....
 
I love Apple products but this DRM/App store lock in really has to end. It's downright anti-competitive not to allow others to have software on there.

They could simply have a slider in prefers to allow non-app store apps.

No, it's not. Go back to school and learn about being anti-competitive. In fact, if anything this makes them more competitive. If Flash is that important, there will be many other options besides iPhone. Just because some people, and I will go so far as to say all people, want flash on an iPhone does not make a company anti-competitive. It just means you should go buy a different phone. How's that for competition, Apple just helped the other guy. Boom!
 
What are your technology credentials?

B.S. Computer Electronic Engineer Technician
Multiple Apple Certificates including Server

Worked at Apple for 3+ years, Project Management for the LADPSS, now am a Infrastructure Engineer at a large conglomerate focused on Apple integration with AD systems and Linux broadcast systems. Have done consulting in between those jobs it pays well here in So Cal, and previously was a bench technician while attending college for 6 years.

I have some chops.
 
No, it's not. Go back to school and learn about being anti-competitive. In fact, if anything this makes them more competitive. If Flash is that important, there will be many other options besides iPhone. Just because some people, and I will go so far as to say all people, want flash on an iPhone does not make a company anti-competitive. It just means you should go buy a different phone. How's that for competition, Apple just helped the other guy. Boom!

Ah, such coherent and powerful argument.... You must be very learned!
 
If you have a superior technology (something better than flash), you implement it without blocking an inferior one.

Nope. You block your competition by all legal and financially sensible means. Business is war.

Inferior technologies occasionally win (for lots of different or seemly random reasons), and you need to reduce the risk of that accident from occurring and damaging the public welfare (and your market and your profits, coincidentally).
 
I am amazed at how fast the fanboys will turn this entire thing in to it is all about flash.

FOR THE LAST TIME THE LAW SUIT IS NOT ABOUT FLASH. The law suit would be about using a middleware to compile software written in another language (for example C#, .net, Flash, Python, ect) to iPhone format. It is not about putting flash on the iPad/iPhone. it is about coding languages.

Really learn what it is about before you go off and say that it is all about flash for web pages. This is about app coding. Adobe just happen to make something that can take something coded in flash and compile it to run on an iPad/Phone/Pod

IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!! THE ARGUMENT STILL APPLIES!!!
 
Because believe it or not, Steve Jobs has been *right* for about a decade now. That's quite a track record.

The YouTube HTML5 beta . . . is a beta. In due course, it won't be. If Apple is betting on it you'd be smart to bet on it as well.

It always will be. YouTube's stated strategy is to serve a third of it's videos from professional partner companies (ie studios and broadcasters) within the next three years. And it needs that to come true, because those videos are the only ones that advertisers are actually interested in, and the only ones that make any money.

And YouTube is signing those deals on the basis that they're required to encrypt the streams using RTMPE. All those shows are missing from the HTML5 trial, and won't ever appear on it.

Apple bets very, very wrong sometimes, and they have a particuarily bad record betting on TV - as Apple TV demonstrates.

Phazer
 
B.S. Computer Electronic Engineer Technician
Multiple Apple Certificates including Server

Worked at Apple for 3+ years, Project Management for the LADPSS, now am a Infrastructure Engineer at a large conglomerate focused on Apple integration with AD systems and Linux broadcast systems. Have done consulting in between those jobs it pays well here in So Cal, and previously was a bench technician while attending college for 6 years.

I have some chops.

Nice to meet ya.
 
How do you mean this?

I don't recall IBM releasing game-changing products that consumers kept falling in love with.

No but on the business side they released game changing software.

Most major companies have changed that game at one point or another. Right now its Apple's time. Someone will come along and dethrone them. Its a cycle called Technology. Go back in time and tell GM that they'd go bankrupt and people would laugh at you. Apple is now the question is who's next?
 
If you have a superior technology (something better than flash), you implement it without blocking an inferior one.

If you have to block a technology, than it's a threat and therefore NOT inferior.

Blocking technology for any reason (whether it be Blu-ray or flash or anything else) is fascist. That's what fascists do; insist things will be their inferior way and there will be no other option available from them.

Apple, under Jobs, is fascist, and has been for quite some time. It didn't start out that way, but it will end that way.

Emphasis on the word "end". For you see, people don't like fascists or fascism. Oh, they'll put on the armbands and give the salutes and wave the stars and stripes and swastikas and bully those less fortunate for awhile, but it never lasts.

Because sooner or later people wake up.

:apple:

I think the word you are looking for is fascists, not fascist (since you are referring to Apple and not just Jobs.)

fascism |ˈfa sh ˌizəm| (also Fascism)
noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
• (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

Wow, you are being pretty harsh dude. So by blocking technology, Apple Co. are fascists?

Well then by that token, wouldn't Adobe be fascists for blocking Canvas from being used in HTML5? Or even further, wouldn't Sony, Gateway, Microsoft, etc. be fascists for not selling Apple computers in their stores? Hmmmm?

Anti-competitive MAYBE, but fascist? Come on dude, take a chill-pill.
 
Sounds like a desperate move.

exactly - Adobe has nothing to lose - lawsuits even when false bring a negative influence to the ones being sued as the general public forgets the whole innocent until proven guilty thing.

sad that since Adobe cannot innovate and improve on their software that they lash out when their product is refused.

apple will win and counter-sue - adobe is really in trouble...
 
Nice to meet ya. Ph.D., M.S., B.S. in electrical engineering, 10+ years designing microprocessors at Exponential, Sun, and AMD, J.D., 4 years practicing law, 5 years practicing before the USPTO. And like you, my opinions are just my opinions. But not all opinions are equal, especially when people state things as facts and refuse to cite to any statute or case law that backs up their point of view :) (not referring to you)

I agree with you trust me. I respect your opinions and your facts, my comment was more directed at LTD who seems to forget that people who don't agree with Apple 100% of the time have credentials as well.
 
exactly - Adobe has nothing to lose - lawsuits even when false bring a negative influence to the ones being sued as the general public forgets the whole innocent until proven guilty thing.

Yup. The public really turned against Apple over Psystar. They bought Macs in record number because they hated Apple so much.

The public will be lucky to even *notice* any lawsuit, much less bother to feel one way or the other about it.

And Joe Average couldn't give a sweet damn about who's suing who. These are companies. Not Tiger Woods and his affairs. All the user cares about is getting good tech to play with and making sure there's more where that came from. They don't attack any moral quotient to computers.
 
Ah, such coherent and powerful argument.... You must be very learned!

Why make it more complicated than it is. (I know you are being sarcastic) but this isn't rocket science, and people are just a bunch of little babies that want a corporation to change how it works because they feel entitled. If you don't like what Apple is doing, shop elsewhere, it's frickin simple. If enough people did, they would change their tune real quick. A free market actually works if you let it.
 
I agree with you trust me. I respect your opinions and your facts, my comment was more directed at LTD who seems to forget that people who don't agree with Apple 100% of the time have credentials as well.

You'd be in good company: John Dvorak, Rob Enderle, etc.
 
I believe you mean, MISinformation. Have a look at this:

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/01/apple-responsible-for-994-of-mobile-app-sales-in-2009.ars

Anything else you would like to share? :rolleyes:

I hate Adobe and Flash ok! I am simply saying this wouldn't be as simple of a case as you might think! It could very well end up being a precedent. I do think Apple would most likely win though.

No, I meant disinformation, because it is incorrect info being propagated through the Net in order to rile people up and make the uninformed think Apple is doing something illegal.

And while I appreciate your sarcastic eye-rolling, perhaps you'd like to explain how the stat you referenced is relevant? Perhaps you're confusing the App Store with an open marketplace available to all devices, vs. an extension of iPhoneOS devices? Or perhaps you think Apple's success in mobile sales is somehow hindering new entries into the market (even though the Android Marketplace has has grown exponentially the past six months)? [insert smart-ass icon here]

I think we're on the same side here, but in either case... c'mon -- let's be civil.
 
You'd be in good company: John Dvorak, Rob Enderle, etc.

I'll say it again. I own more Apple equipment than you, I have more Apple stock than you, I rely on Apple for my job. Without them, my career path would be different. Just because I don't blindly praise and accept everything Apple does, doesn't make me some infidel PC user.

BTW: I am typing this on my new iPad. :p
 
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