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Check out Affinity Photo from Serif. I believe they have a trial version so you can check out whether it does what you need. It satisfies all my pixel editing needs. I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff PS does that Affinity Photo doesn't, but I've been really happy with the product.

Affinity Photo right now cannot do 1-bit bitmap (black and white) editing ... I mean, sure, you can open up bitmap files, but they get converted to RGB or grayscale. Nor can it save back to 1-bit bitmap.

However, there is another app, that is really powerfull in that field: Photoline. It can open and save PSD files with retaining most of the aspects (vector elements, effects etc.). It has also bitmap support.
 
Interesting. What field of work requires that capability?

Well, it depends. First and foremost: if you don't want halftone, you use the 1-bit bitmap mode.

If you are scanning/digitalizing technical drawings and drawings (lineart), made with ink and a lot of detail, it is recommended, to do that with at least 600 dpi (or more) and do this in bitmap mode (black and white only).

Also, for traditional black-white comic drawings, that is the recommended way to do it for digitizing and printing.

In bitmap mode, you have different kind of methods, to draw the lines/textures like treshold, different ditherings (pattern, etc.). In DTP applications like InDesing, QuarkXpress etc. you can change the color of your lineart, that was saved as a bitmap image, with a single click. Also importing bitmap images will always show a transparent background.

So, saving lineart to bitmap mode will get you the most posibble crisp and sharp image, that is escpecially important, if you do work for printing.

Some interesting reading:

Why I Save All My Line Art as 1200 DPI Bitmap Tiff Files
http://businessofillustration.com/save-line-art-1200-dpi-bitmap-tiff-files/

Beautiful Line Art
https://cg.algonquindesign.ca/topics/beautiful-line-art.html

A Beginners Guide to Bitmaps
http://paulbourke.net/dataformats/bitmaps/
 
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They should give those customers that paid a subscription for at least a year or two a lifetime license for the current version, so that we can continue accessing our data if for what ever reason we do not want to continue the subscription. Of course no updates then for that version, so no support for new cameras or new OS versions.
 
Well, it depends. If you are scanning/digitalizing technical drawings and drawings (lineart), made with ink and a lot of detail, it is recommended, to do that with at least 600 dpi (or more) and do this in bitmap mode (black and white only).

Also, for traditional black-white comic drawings, that is the recommended way to do it for digitizing and printing.

In bitmap mode, you have different kind of methods, to draw the lines/textures like treshold, different ditherings (pattern, etc.). In DTP applications like InDesing, QuarkXpress etc. you can change the color of your lineart, that was saved as a bitmap image, with a single click. Also importing bitmap images will always show a transparent background.

Some interesting reading:
A Beginners Guide to Bitmaps
http://paulbourke.net/dataformats/bitmaps/
Why I Save All My Line Art as 1200 DPI Bitmap Tiff Files
http://businessofillustration.com/save-line-art-1200-dpi-bitmap-tiff-files/

Thanks. I can see where that would be useful to certain types of work. It's not anything I have any need for though, which is likely why I didn't know what it was used for. :)

It appears to have been requested as an enhancement. https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/41645-bitmap-mode-in-affinity-photo/

This does bring up one of the decision points software vendors must tackle; do they focus on doing one thing really well (and really fast) or do they focus on adding more and more features to appeal to an ever broader audience? Where is an appropriate balance point between such a wide array of features that the product is daunting to new users versus limiting the breadth of features and focusing on ease of use and efficiency? (these are rhetorical questions)
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They should give those customers that paid a subscription for at least a year or two a lifetime license for the current version, so that we can continue accessing our data if for what ever reason we do not want to continue the subscription. Of course no updates then for that version, so no support for new cameras or new OS versions.

I'm pretty sure that's how it already works. When you cancel an existing CC subscription, the products go into some sort of read-only mode albeit with some ability to export. I haven't explored this much as I haven't needed to worry about it, but I know there have been discussions on various forums; they should be searchable if interested.
 
1 bit bitmap TIFF is also useful in prepress as a pseudo vector object. When you have a monochrome object such as a logo, but have no vector source or a raster source with high enough detail, or you have no time to manually trace it, the quickest solution is to blow up its resolution to 4800dpi or so, and save a bitmap TIFF. In both Illustrator and InDesign, placing a bitmap will behave similarly to placing a vector object, where you are free to assign colors to it, including spot colors with overprint.
 
I'm pretty sure that's how it already works. When you cancel an existing CC subscription, the products go into some sort of read-only mode albeit with some ability to export. I haven't explored this much as I haven't needed to worry about it, but I know there have been discussions on various forums; they should be searchable if interested.
I guess you are right. Didn't know about that. In 2014 Adobe wrote on a support page: "With Lightroom 5.5, at the end of a membership, the desktop application will continue to launch and provide access to the photographs managed within Lightroom as well as the Slideshow, Web, Book or Print creations that we know many photographers painstakingly create. The Develop and Map modules have been disabled in order to signal the end of the membership and the need to renew in order to receive Adobe’s continuous innovation in those areas."

I know of another subscription software product that gives you a full perpetual license once you've paid as much as the standalone version through subscription payments. That seemed like a fair solution to me.
 
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Yeah, I looked for this option, but didn't found it, so I made a request on the Affinity forum :) ;)

This is a discussion on that theme:
https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/23232-1bit-bitmap-mode-colour-format/

As you said/wrote: I would like to see many more things in Affinity Photo, but I do also understand, that Adobe Photoshop is almost 30 years old, AP is 2 years old. The programmers at Serif need their time.
 
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I believe they are making record revenue in the last quarter. So they will continue subscriptions

I'm puzzled that Adobe, after many years (and counting) of Flash and Acrobat security debacles (and I mean kind of like the worst in the industry, making even Microsoft blush), is still more than a two cent company. I've banished Adobe software from all of my devices long ago, and that's not going to change.
 
so that we can continue accessing our data if for what ever reason we do not want to continue the subscription
You can in lightroom. If you cancel the subscription, the edit module is disabled, but the other modules work.
 
Am I understanding this properly...? The new Lightroom CC only allows you to store your photos and library/catalog on the cloud and no option for local storage?

Lightroom CC yes, but the Lightroom "Classic" app is desktop/Mac-based as before.

That's not true - you can specify how much local storage to use, including storing all images locally (which is probably a good idea on at least one computer)

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I'm hoping this new version of Lightroom will solve a long standing issue I've had which is not being able to access synced photos from 2 computers (my desktop and laptop) - I haven't had chance to test fully yet, but my plan is to migrate my existing LR catalog to the cloud on my desktop and continue to use LR classic on that machine and then use LR CC on my laptop to access photos when I need to.

LR CC is pretty basic at the moment (no smart albums for a start off) and it reminds me of Adobe Carousel in a lot of ways. Hopefully over time it will get more functionality
 
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As you said/wrote: I would like to see many more things in Affinity Photo, but I do also understand, that Adobe Photoshop is almost 30 years old, AP is 2 years old. The programmers at Serif need their time.

Indeed, and I think the folks at Serif have done a stunning job in the time they've bet at it. Not to mention then offering it up at a price that I frankly consider as a bargain.
 
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So much of this is above my head....
I went through the comments hoping to get some ideas but I’m not sure if I am more informed or more confused...

For the family that has multiple people taking pics with multiple devices, what is a good way to organize and store the pics? We don’t edit each pic, but rather, our habit has been to wait until we need a pic for something (a printed album, or whatever) then do just a bit of basic editing. Weirdly enough, Picassa seemed to work as we could search by date or by a particular person. Editing wasn’t great but the editor (me) is relatively incompetent with this stuff so lack of power features was probably a benefit.

Everything I look at now seems to either overkill, or not quite enough. We tried apple photos but while the face recognition was helpful, the way it forces you to organize things just didn’t work for us.
Is it worth looking at Lightroom again, or is there an alternative to consider?
I’d prefer not to have to spend hundreds of dollars, but if it will do what we need then I’m willing to reconsider.

The Sensei search in the new Lightroom might make this a great option for you. It’s a tad hit or miss at the moment but still impressive and will improve. You’d most likely have to go for a larger storage option so it could be outside you budget, depending 9on what that is.
 
That's not true - you can specify how much local storage to use, including storing all images locally (which is probably a good idea on at least one computer)

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I'm hoping this new version of Lightroom will solve a long standing issue I've had which is not being able to access synced photos from 2 computers (my desktop and laptop) - I haven't had chance to test fully yet, but my plan is to migrate my existing LR catalog to the cloud on my desktop and continue to use LR classic on that machine and then use LR CC on my laptop to access photos when I need to.

LR CC is pretty basic at the moment (no smart albums for a start off) and it reminds me of Adobe Carousel in a lot of ways. Hopefully over time it will get more functionality
(As far as I understand with my test) If the catalog is 100% uploaded to the cloud, then Adobe assumes you only want to access the photos only via CC. Classic hasn't changed its way in dealing with photos on the cloud, before this update you could have photos taken on an iPhone or imported via Camera Roll so that the Lightroom Mobile on it has the original instance / RAW. Once Classic sees them for the first time it will attempt to download the whole RAW back to the locally assigned Mobile sync folder on the computer that Classic is installed on. After that, whether or not you delete the copy on the original iDevice, the whole chain will consider the instance on the computer being the active source. I may have missed something new though, perhaps some new tab in catalog settings will let us choose the behaviour.
 
(As far as I understand with my test) If the catalog is 100% uploaded to the cloud, then Adobe assumes you only want to access the photos only via CC. Classic hasn't changed its way in dealing with photos on the cloud, before this update you could have photos taken on an iPhone or imported via Camera Roll so that the Lightroom Mobile on it has the original instance / RAW. Once Classic sees them for the first time it will attempt to download the whole RAW back to the locally assigned Mobile sync folder on the computer that Classic is installed on. After that, whether or not you delete the copy on the original iDevice, the whole chain will consider the instance on the computer being the active source. I may have missed something new though, perhaps some new tab in catalog settings will let us choose the behaviour.
Thanks - I haven't had much time to dig into the new options yet but am hoping to over the weekend :)
 
Is Affinity Photo getting good enough to make a challenge to Adobe? The version for the iPad Pro looks good and it is a one time purchase.

The answer to that question really depends on individual needs/uses. If Affinity Photo does everything you need, then it's a definite challenger. If you need to do stuff that only Photoshop does, then Affinity Photo isn't a challenger. :)

At least on the desktop/laptop side they have a trial version you can use to see if it meets your needs. They also have a bunch of tutorial videos on Vimeo which walk you through various things.

For me, Affinity Photo does the things I need to do. Can't speak for others though.
 
The Sensei search in the new Lightroom might make this a great option for you. It’s a tad hit or miss at the moment but still impressive and will improve. You’d most likely have to go for a larger storage option so it could be outside you budget, depending 9on what that is.

Thanks - will look at it deeper then.
From what I’m reading, it seems that some of the catalog can be kept locally rather than pushes to the cloud - am I misunderstanding?
 
Thanks - will look at it deeper then.
From what I’m reading, it seems that some of the catalog can be kept locally rather than pushes to the cloud - am I misunderstanding?
i'm finding that out now as well, don't know exactly how that works but i'm hopeful it solves some storage size issues.
 
so far it's looking like if you have all the apps you are stuck at 100gb for photos and another 20gb just for your CC library. I'm planning to call customer service in the morning.

Really wish they'd provided the full suite subscribers with 1tb or least the option to get more.

Um, they do. When you sign up for your plan click the drop-down for how much storage you want and you, too, can pay the exorbitant rate of $10/TB/month.

Honestly, I can't see a reason for anyone to go with this unless they are completely unable or unwilling to do network backups on their own. For less per month than Adobe's 1TB plan, get an Amazon Prime subscription with unlimited photo backups, and you also happen to get free two-day shipping (often one-day or same-day shipping on larger orders) and access to all of Amazon Prime video etc. For half as much per month, back your data up to iCloud.

The only thing Adobe seems to be "offering" with their exorbitantly-priced service is that their mobile apps also access their cloud storage semi-seamlessly so you can work on an image on your phone with the same tools (ish) as you would on your desktop. That seems like a cool thing, and probably very useful to some people, but $10/month, minimum? I can't see it. And, to use that, you have to used the completely dumbed-down "cloud" version of Lightroom, which is incredibly anemic (for now).

Here's a comparison of the two products from a very pro-Adobe (makes her money on Lightroom stuff) source: https://www.lightroomqueen.com/lightroom-cc-vs-classic-features/

There is no "early buy-in bonus" here. Adobe will work on getting Lightroom CC up to the Lightroom Classic level of functionality year over year I'm sure, but there's no reason to suffer through that lack of features until the "cloud" version is usable. For crap's sake you can't even zoom past 2:1 or have two catalogs, nor rename your photos from whatever your camera came up with!

Looking down that list, I just can't figure out which customer segment Adobe was trying to go after with the initial "MVP" of their cloud version. Family photographers lose facial recognition, tracked integration with Facebook, all integration with Flickr, all book etc output options, etc, but gain the ability to search for pictures of "water" or "grass" like they can with any other online photos service. Money-first dabblers lose access to all their presets they have bought over the years as well as "export to..." plugins. Sports photographers lose synced edits across multiple photos. Professionals lose, well, pretty much everything. The only thing I can think of is they are targeting people too dumb to notice that "Lightroom CC" they had been using for years is not the same as "Lightroom CC" now and the new version is costing them $10/month more for fewer features.
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Thanks - will look at it deeper then.
From what I’m reading, it seems that some of the catalog can be kept locally rather than pushes to the cloud - am I misunderstanding?

As far as I can tell, all of your images in your singular catalog (no support for multiple catalogs any more!) are synced to the cloud, and you can not pick which ones. There is an area several clicks deep in the individual photo settings which seems to indicate you can turn off cloud syncing, but for me it did absolutely nothing, and of course with the default being "on" and no way to do this for multiple pictures at once obviously Adobe is not expecting you to actually go to 19,900 of your pictures and turn them off cloud syncing so that only 100 of that 20k catalog are synced.
 
you can't change plans, those options are only available for new customers.
Maybe Adobe is being sensible here, they knew the all-apps plan users must be actual content creators, who should have no chance in hell trusting their whole catalog on the cloud.
 
As far as I can tell, all of your images in your singular catalog (no support for multiple catalogs any more!) are synced to the cloud, and you can not pick which ones. There is an area several clicks deep in the individual photo settings which seems to indicate you can turn off cloud syncing, but for me it did absolutely nothing, and of course with the default being "on" and no way to do this for multiple pictures at once obviously Adobe is not expecting you to actually go to 19,900 of your pictures and turn them off cloud syncing so that only 100 of that 20k catalog are synced.

Thanks

I think I still have an ancient copy of an old Adobe Suite (not sure what version it is, maybe CS or even older - bought it with grandiose plans to learn how to fix my pics so we could print albums for the coffee table. Turned out to be a very expensive pipe dream....I think I ran it once post-install....)

I don’t recall it having Lightroom, in fact it may have only been Photoshop. Or maybe the gimped version (photoshop elements, I think?). I dunno.

Hopefully I didn’t toss out everything - will check when I get home. If I’m lucky and I still have it, maybe it had Lightroom and I can at least check it out.

Seriously - is it that hard for someone to build a picture management system that just works? Is this a market or are my needs somewhat unique? With the proliferation of cell phone cameras and the apparent need of some people to take selfies hourly, I can’t imagine that terabyte libraries are uncommon (unless people do a much better job of filtering than I care to).
 
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