Adobe Unveils Creative Suite CS4, GPU Accelerated Photoshop

[sibruk]

UK Pricing still sucks.

Example: Adobe CS4 Design Premium, The US price is US$1800 plus taxes.

In the UK, it's £1582 plus VAT in the UK, which equals US$2993 plus VAT.

So in the UK we're paying a 66% markup - and that's before you add the VAT.

I agree with you, it's shocking. Which is why I have bought a US licence. I'm a legitimate paid-up user, but I refuse to pay double the price because of where I live.

All you need is a US debit card (you can open up a US bank account easily while on holiday) and a PO Box in the States. And voila... US content from the iTunes Store, US eBooks from Sony, US pricing on all software, online movie rentals and Amazon mp3 downloads on US schedules and US pricing.

Wonder if Adobe got smart and brought back ImageReady ... Firework is an awful replacement for creating slices.

I couldn't disagree more. I love Fireworks, all of my web graphics are created in it and slicing is SO easy! I only really touch Photoshop for print graphics, and more complicated image editing like photo retouching. The only thing I really hate about Fireworks CS3 is the buggy export options, and some settings not actually making it into the exported files - I hope that is fixed in CS4.

Actually... now that I've reread the all preceding posts, It's seems it's pretty much "accepted" CS3 does NOT behave well w/ Leopard!

I agree, the app switching/Spaces problems with CS3 and Office really get on my chazbaps. But I also agree with the other comments about this being Apple's fault. I hate the way Apple just change things, roll them out to end users and don't tell application developers. This had better be sorted out in CS4.

...I guess if Adobe outsourced their entire San Jose operations to India...

They virtually have already!

After already paying for the CS3.3 upgrade, I have to cough up $600.00 for the CS4 upgrade?

It seems they haven't yet put the CS3.3 upgrade path on their online store. For some reason you have to CALL them to upgrade from CS3.3! It's going to be $440, and that information is taken from this page.

 

[sibruk]

Consolidated above

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

But...

It seems they haven't yet put the CS3.3 upgrade path on their online store. For some reason you have to CALL them to upgrade from CS3.3! :S It's going to be $440, and that information is taken from this page.

But that's to go FROM 'Web Premium' TO 'Design Premium'. I don't, or wouldn't want to do that.

 

[sibruk]

But that's to go FROM 'Web Premium' TO 'Design Premium'. I don't, or wouldn't want to do that.

Sorry, I assumed you wanted to go from Design Premium CS3.3 to Design Premium CS4. I've just seen your second post about your current software being Web Premium CS3.3.

If you want to do Web Premium CS3.3 to Web Premium CS4, the same prices apply.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

Hey...

They virtually have already!

Yeah, McCain visited here recently and was quoted in the local fish wrap as saying 'Tech, Yeah' and 'urging local companies to 'create' high tech jobs in the area'.

Yeah, after his party presided over the largest shift of American tech jobs to foreign countries. Somehow he is going to get these corporations to want to shift their jobs back here? To Michigan? While he's president?

I don't know what he's been smoking. We don't have much 'tech' left! What America does have is run by foreign interests.

Tell me another funny story grandpa...

Sorry to be so 'political' but it's a freaking sad joke. Someday, drive through the 'technology corridor' in the northwest Detroit suburbs and see what 8 years of 'Bushenomics' has done. The 'For Sale' signs grow like weeds...

It makes me wonder how much of that $600 is because the value of the dollar is in the toilet... It must not buy much in India. Plus they are waking up and demanding better pay over there... *grumble grumble*

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

Ahh, Interesting...

Sorry, I assumed you wanted to go from Design Premium CS3.3 to Design Premium CS4. I've just seen your second post about your current software being Web Premium CS3.3.

If you want to do Web Premium CS3.3 to Web Premium CS4, the same prices apply.

Weird that it's not on the main page to buy Web Premium... There it lists all updates being $599.00...

I remember grousing about the upgrade to CS3 if you didn't buy the next previous 'upgrade' (of which I've forgotten). You got better pricing if you did bite on that update which I didn't because it wasn't much of an update...

 

[dAlen]

I have totally been into Apples Pro apps over the years...the interface, etc. has been totally cool.

However...
I like to have all my apps from the same source...
Now that Adobe has Premier looking the way it does...like a proapp...it may be at a point to just switch to all Adobe.

After all, dont see Apple photoshop, or apple dreamweaver, etc.

Adobe has a full product suite that is pretty sweet now.
Not into illustrator...but I never liked or needed it or freehand.

As I believe I mentioned earlier in this thread...photoshops interface is the best yet. Im totally digging the layout.

Peace

dAlen

 

[RunnyCustard]

so was this an open source before Adobe featured it in CS4?


http://www.corsix.org/retargetr.html

looks fantastic!
was going to buy the Masters collection - student edition (UK) but I may have to scrape my pennies together to get the cs4 version

I can't believe you can erase people in one fair swoop - usually takes ages depending on the background!!

(also, wish I could update my Photoshop CS2 (not student version) from PC to Mac rather buy a whole new one!)

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

I just hope...

I just hope that for the money that CS4 is more stable. I got a kernel panic a few months ago while running Dreamweaver and having Fusion open that almost ruined my Fusion VPC. I also had Outlook open in Fusion and it freaked out when I got the VPC running again. I've stopped using Fusion since then. (There are times when you just have to walk on the dark side to get things done)

Not happy I was...

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

Hey, you can!

(also, wish I could update my Photoshop CS2 (not student version) from PC to Mac rather buy a whole new one!)

I did this years ago and assuming the rules are the same, you just pay for the upgrade to the current version on the PC and they will send you the version for the Mac for 'free' (plus shipping).

I changed over all of my Adobe programs a few years ago and it was a hell of a lot cheaper than buying all new! Call them and ask about the platform conversion to Mac. You may be surprised...

 

[vixapphire]

Yeah, McCain visited here recently and was quoted in the local fish wrap as saying 'Tech, Yeah' and 'urging local companies to 'create' high tech jobs in the area'.

Yeah, after his party presided over the largest shift of American tech jobs to foreign countries. Somehow he is going to get these corporations to want to shift their jobs back here? To Michigan? While he's president?

I don't know what he's been smoking. We don't have much 'tech' left! What America does have is run by foreign interests.

Tell me another funny story grandpa...

Sorry to be so 'political' but it's a freaking sad joke. Someday, drive through the 'technology corridor' in the northwest Detroit suburbs and see what 8 years of 'Bushenomics' has done. The 'For Sale' signs grow like weeds...

It makes me wonder how much of that $600 is because the value of the dollar is in the toilet... It must not buy much in India. Plus they are waking up and demanding better pay over there... *grumble grumble*

the outsourcing revolution really took off in earnest in the 90's, which is not to point fingers of blame on a partisan basis as you appear intent on doing. to see this as anything other than an expected outcome of the consensus trade and commercial policy of our federal government (and indeed, the world's "elites") is to buy into a pugilistic "fight amongst yourselves" worldview that is fostered by the same interests profiting from the outsourcing in the first place.

i grew up in detroit and cleveland. it was clear at least as far back as the early 90's that the upper midwest was on the outs as far as higher-paying new-economy/21st century employment was concerned, the SUV revolution notwithstanding. that's why it's been called the "rust belt" since the 1980s. people seeking opportunity in the changing economy have generally moved to where the jobs are, whether they sought high-tech engineering jobs on the west coast, or automotive jobs at the plants in the south and southeast, etc. thus the net population declines in michigan and ohio over the past decade plus. couple these macro-economic realities with MI and OH's state governments' addiction to business-repulsing high taxes and it should come as no surprise that those states have suffered uniquely among the states in the past 20 years.

but on the point of shameless pandering, yeah, both mccain and obama have been talking a lot of crap in the rust belt. i'll give mccain small credit though for telling those people that their assemblyline jobs are not likely coming back. he said it, got lambasted in the media for it, but he was right.

and then he went back later and started making promises...

we're screwed '08.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

Flint.

Need I say more?

The widely thought birthplace of the auto unions: Flint Michigan.

It's probably with a great amount of glee that General Motors practically walked away from Flint Michigan and closed and tore down (to my knowledge) the very plant that sparked the UAW and AFL/CIO.

Yes, a 'new day' is dawning. Loyalty from the employer is gone. You are, as an employee, a liability. A negative on the balance sheet. I 'necessary evil'.

No employee healthcare, no retirement benefits, no ham when you put in your 20 years. You are hired, and when you are used up, you are fired. IF you are lucky to approach retirement at a 'new job' you are unceremoniously fired before you can retire.

We are the 'Brave New World'.

"It's PEOPLE!!!"

I remember my dad getting a H-U-G-E Farmer Peet's gift box when he worked long hours at the plant every Christmas. Then the gift box got smaller, and smaller and then it was checks and they got smaller and smaller and smaller and stopped altogether. Everything is going as planned... Next is probably child labor because home schooling is going to make a nice new generation of button pushers... *sigh*

You would think that a party that pretends to 'value life' would actually value life and not the emotions and bumper stickers...

But enough of this stuff...

I saw the new Nano. I'm glad I got an old Nano built a day before they stopped making them.

Which ipods have glass screens? Does the early touch's?

Oh, I will call Adobe and see what they say. I did just a few weeks ago get 3.3. That should count for something. A free piece of paper? A paper clip?

 

[pimentoLoaf]

PINK

 

[RunnyCustard]

I did this years ago and assuming the rules are the same, you just pay for the upgrade to the current version on the PC and they will send you the version for the Mac for 'free' (plus shipping).

I changed over all of my Adobe programs a few years ago and it was a hell of a lot cheaper than buying all new! Call them and ask about the platform conversion to Mac. You may be surprised...

ooh, thanks - I will definitely look into this!

 

[Doctor Q]

After reviewing prices, upgrade offers, and licensing, here's what I conclude about the differences between education and non-education copies of Photoshop and the suites it is in:

1. Education users get discounts on new purchases, not on upgrades.
2. Education users make their purchase through the education channel and must qualify.
3. Education users may not use Dreamweaver, Flash, or Fireworks (the formerly Macromedia products) for commercial work.

If you have CS3 for education, your choices are

1. Buy CS4 for education new, if you qualify for an education version. You end up owning two copies. You can't sell the old one since the education license is nontransferable.
2. Buy a CS4 upgrade, at the regular price, whether or not you qualify for education purchases. Upgrades are the same for CS3 non-education and CS3 education copies. In either case, you end up with CS4 non-education.

Examples:

• If you have Photoshop CS3 Extended (I think new education copies are always the Extended version) and want Photoshop CS4 Extended, choice #1 costs $300 and choice #2 costs $350.
• If you have CS3 Design Standard and want CS4 Design Standard, choice #1 costs $450 and choice #2 costs $500.
• If you have CS3 Design Premium and want CS4 Design Premium, both choices cost $600.

 

[sibruk]

Just spoken to one of their automatons in India. She was pretty much full of nonsense, but she was quite sure that CS4 was going to be available to download in "mid October", so I guess that's any day now then...

 

[troyhark]

As Oct 15th is the cut off date for upgrading PS7 to CS3..............

Which also gets you a free update to CS4 when it appears.

 

[mBox]

As Oct 15th is the cut off date for upgrading PS7 to CS3..............

Which also gets you a free update to CS4 when it appears.

This time around, Im waiting for a few months after the smoke clears. The fact that CS2 to CS3 upgrade was the worse in Adobe's history. That goes for both platforms. Read back and you will see the horrors of having to format PC/Mac systems just so that CS3 can install smoothly. Then add the fact that there was so many updates after and to date Im still getting bad ones with Bridge and specially After Effects Ill wait till they test CS4 on prisoners

 

[troyhark]

This time around, Im waiting for a few months after the smoke clears. The fact that CS2 to CS3 upgrade was the worse in Adobe's history. That goes for both platforms. Read back and you will see the horrors of having to format PC/Mac systems just so that CS3 can install smoothly.

I had no problem with installing any of the beta builds on either Mac or PC

Then add the fact that there was so many updates after and to date Im still getting bad ones with Bridge and specially After Effects Ill wait till they test CS4 on prisoners

The Beta of Bridge CS4 is much better than CS3 RC.

 

[mBox]

I had no problem with installing any of the beta builds on either Mac or PC

The Beta of Bridge CS4 is much better than CS3 RC.

Crossing my fingers. We had a beta of CS3 on one PC. It took days of un-installing then finally a reformat to get rid of the beta so that the final can properly install

 

[Doctor Q]

Just spoken to one of their automatons in India. She was pretty much full of nonsense, but she was quite sure that CS4 was going to be available to download in "mid October", so I guess that's any day now then...

They told me early November. Of course, the time zones in India are different!

 

[iPhoneJoe]

looking forward to it

 

[rasmasyean]

To put things in perspective, this is what 64-bit does...

What are the advantages of 64-bit computing?

In early testing of 64-bit support in Photoshop for Windows®, overall performance gains ranged from 8% to 12%. Those who work with extremely large files may realize noticeably greater gains in performance, in some cases as dramatic as ten times the previous speed. This is because 64-bit applications can address larger amounts of memory and thus result in less file swapping — one of the biggest factors that can affect data processing speed.
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/photoshop/faq/?promoid=DRHXB​

This is what Windows can do in 64-bit...

...all 64-bit versions of Microsoft operating systems currently impose a 16 TB limit on address space and allow no more than 128 GB of physical memory due to the impracticality of having 16 TB of RAM. Processes created on Windows Vista x64 Edition are allotted 8 TB in virtual memory for user processes and 8 TB for kernel processes to create a virtual memory of 16 TB.
http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/5709​

Vista also has SuperFetch disk caching and maybe that might help with the increase in speed of the computer.

Given that Macs don't have the technology to support 64-bit, I imagine that for some people, it might give a competitive advantage to buy some Vista machines for CS4. Of course, it depends on how sophisticated your application is.

 

[sibruk]

...Given that Macs don't have the technology to support 64-bit...

Apple beg to differ with you, rasmasyean!

I just got a quick update from Adobe Customer Service today. Apparently the boxed versions have started to actually ship today, and downloadable versions will be available next week. Still no option on the Adobe Store to order the CS3.3 > CS4 reduced upgrade route though.

 

[Quillz]

To put things in perspective, this is what 64-bit does...

What are the advantages of 64-bit computing?

In early testing of 64-bit support in Photoshop for Windows®, overall performance gains ranged from 8% to 12%. Those who work with extremely large files may realize noticeably greater gains in performance, in some cases as dramatic as ten times the previous speed. This is because 64-bit applications can address larger amounts of memory and thus result in less file swapping — one of the biggest factors that can affect data processing speed.
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/photoshop/faq/?promoid=DRHXB​

This is what Windows can do in 64-bit...

...all 64-bit versions of Microsoft operating systems currently impose a 16 TB limit on address space and allow no more than 128 GB of physical memory due to the impracticality of having 16 TB of RAM. Processes created on Windows Vista x64 Edition are allotted 8 TB in virtual memory for user processes and 8 TB for kernel processes to create a virtual memory of 16 TB.
http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/5709​

Vista also has SuperFetch disk caching and maybe that might help with the increase in speed of the computer.

Given that Macs don't have the technology to support 64-bit, I imagine that for some people, it might give a competitive advantage to buy some Vista machines for CS4. Of course, it depends on how sophisticated your application is.

Actually, both Leopard and Vista are fully 64-bit operating systems.