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Do they? I haven’t seen that. They might poke fun at Apple in their adverts by highlighting features the Samsung device has but that’s just advertising.

And this isn't just advertising?
Don't forget how Apple supposedly went 'thermonuclear' and sued Samsung over iPhone copyright infringements. That seems to be water under the bridge now.

Companies will do business with each other if there's a financial benefit.
 
maybe im stupid but wouldn't you NOT want the biggest competitor of your chip making your chip? im sure intel would steal ideas from the tech if they could to use on their own chips.Especially regarding how cool apples chips run which has always been a problem for intel. or worse sabotage the quality or reliability of your chips to give your chip a bad name causing irreparable damage. People always say there are laws to protect companies about stealing tech but as Samsung has shown over and over again in regards to stealing tech there are always ways around it.
 
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maybe im stupid but wouldn't you NOT want the biggest competitor of your chip making your chip? im sure intel would steal ideas from the tech if they could to use on their own chips.

I would imagine ARM have patented those ideas to keep them safe.
 
OMG, everyone at Intel celebrated when Gelsinger left Intel in 2009, and now he's back.

Now Intel has fallen far behind in fab technology, AMD is building better x86 chips, Apple is fabbing their own ARM processors at TSMC for both phones and laptops, Intel failed in the cellular modem business, Intel exited the ARM business long ago selling it to Marvell, gave up on their once hugely successful embedded device business because you don't waste fab capacity on low-margin products, and now the need for Intel x86 devices has diminished. Now they are going to build new fabs in the hopes of competing against TSMC (and others) in the foundry business.

Gelsinger was an adequate CTO at Intel, but as CEO he's in way over his head. Intel needs a new CEO if there is to be any hope of turning the company around.
 
Intel is till stuck on 14nm (i9), and TSMC has progressed to 12,10 ... 7 nm. Working on 5nm already (for 2022).
Get real. If INTEL still had some foundry know-how then Apple would not have moved to M1 that quick.
That's a little outdated TSMC process info... 5nm at TSMC has been in High Volume Production for most of 2020. The processors for the latest iPhones & iPads, and the M1 are all built on the N5 process. N4 is expected to be in production Q4 of this year, and N3 is expected to be in production in 2H 2022. What they're working on "already" is N2...
 


Apple in November started releasing Macs with Apple-designed M1 chips, and the Apple silicon technology will eventually replace all the Intel chips that Apple has used in its Mac lineup for years.

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Intel appears to be having a difficult time with Apple's transition. Last week, the company launched an anti-M1 Mac ad campaign starring Justin Long, and now, Intel is pinning its hopes on manufacturing Apple silicon chips for Apple in the future.

Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger today shared some details on Intel's future plans, which includes the founding of a separate "Intel Foundry Services" business and two new chip factories that are being built in Arizona. Going forward, Intel wants to become a major provider of foundry capacity in the United States and Europe, manufacturing chips for other companies.


When discussing Intel's new plans, Gelsinger said that Intel plans to pursue Apple as a potential customer, which would see Intel producing Apple silicon chips for use in Apple devices if Apple does indeed decide to use Intel's services.


Right now, Apple relies on Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) to produce all of the A-series and Apple silicon chips used in the iPhone, iPad, Mac, and other devices. TSMC is Apple's sole supplier, so there's a chance that Apple and Intel could reach a deal that would allow Apple to diversify its supply chain.If Intel wants to court Apple for future chip orders, the anti-Apple ads the company is running now may be unwise. Intel hired former "I'm a Mac" actor Justin Long to create a series of ads that compare the M1 Macs with Intel PCs in a way that positions Intel PCs as superior machines.

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Intel's ads promote the flexibility of PC laptops and claim that no one uses Macs for gaming. The ads also make fun of the limited ports on Apple's Macs and call them out for a lack of touchscreens. Intel has been highlighting its anti-M1 content on Twitter and has even made a heavily biased website that pits PCs against M1 Macs.

Article Link: After Anti-M1 Ads, Intel Wants to Make Future Apple Silicon Chips
If Intel do not get their posterior in gear and keep up with technology, it may be Intel asking Apple to produce Intel chips as it would never surprise me for Apple to buy out TSMC.
 
I mean regardless of anything else, if Intel could produce the right chips at the right cost for Apple then they are not going to say no.
Or better still if Apple buy TSMC, design and manufacture Apple's own chips, take designs and manufacture for others, and have Intel knocking at the door for Apple to manufacture their chips.

Intel is dead in the water. TSMC have proven that the future is in producing chips that others have designed, and I doubt many will go back to Intel, as they struggle to get to 7nm let alone 3nm or even 2nm which TSMC's target is, and where how many times has the 7nm been put back for Intel, who now estimate its going to be 2022 before they even hit the 7nm.
 
This. Both Europe and the US should be able to manufacture 5nm chips.
After the EU's action on what is really blocking a company's exports of vaccines, can Apple trust having its design or any production in the EU. Next time it might be the EU doing what they are doing to vaccines, telling Apple who they can sell to, and what amounts, but with EU having Veto on Apple customers.
 
maybe im stupid but wouldn't you NOT want the biggest competitor of your chip making your chip? im sure intel would steal ideas from the tech if they could to use on their own chips.Especially regarding how cool apples chips run which has always been a problem for intel. or worse sabotage the quality or reliability of your chips to give your chip a bad name causing irreparable damage. People always say there are laws to protect companies about stealing tech but as Samsung has shown over and over again in regards to stealing tech there are always ways around it.

If Intel wants to steal your ideas, handing them a mask for your chip doesn’t make it much easier.
 
Intel's behaviour is a bit like a stalking, crazy, ex-girlfriend who assaults you and destroys your property but also wants to get back together and loves you very much.
Or you mean like the stalking, crazy, ex-boyfriend, since that's far more common.
 
There is only one chip manufacturer that's really ahead of Intel when it comes to leading edge processes for HPC. It's not so much that they are lagging, but that TSMC is ahead of everyone else. None of the other foundries are even trying to compete in this space anymore. If Intel's 7nm process stays on track, they will be competitive by the time the new fabs come online.
No they won't be competitive. Do you think TSMC and Samsung are going to sit around thinking, "Oh let's give Intel a chance to catch up". Even the 7nm Intel has talked about for years is not put back to 2022-2023
 
We need to start making computer chips once again in the United States. For statements China government made during the pandemic that they have a lot of material that go into making vaccines products and could hold back production. If I was Intel and Apple would join forces to start building more processors in the USA. Do we really want a foreign power controlling all computer chip manufacturing In the world? Don’t think that it is a good idea.
Agree with chip production back in the USA and I'm a Brit. What you really don't need is to consider any part of the EU for any part of Apple design/production of chips. After threat from the EU to block vaccines, they now word it to block vaccines but say its not blocking vaccines. This means Astra Zeneca is no longer in charge of its own company, or has any say in its customers, or amounts it can sell to customers.

Apple does not need that, because as sure as eggs is eggs, the EU will do it to other companies, and they've never shown a lot of love to Apple.

Apple should take chip design/production back to the USA or anywhere but the EU after the shocking events showing an EU so determined to attack the UK on anything, but where the ramifications for companies in the EU are shocking, where the EU have now set a precedent that they can in effect take over a company, search its files, its intellectual property, its books, its customers, and impose veto on who a company can sell to, and what amount. NOT WHAT APPLE NEEDS.
 
That’s all well and good but are they on the same level of – dare I say it, considering the tone of this thread – Intel? Whether in scale or in process nodes?
That's why Apple should be its own chip designer and chip producer, and can take designs from other companies to produce their chips, leaving Intel to buy off Apple.

it should either buy TSMC or buy the equipment and start up its own facility. There are ample skilled personnel in the USA, the UK, but I'd avoid the EU like the plague unless you wanted the EU to decide who you could sell to, how many and even raid your company, blocking sales to anyone it chooses.
 
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I mean regardless of anything else, if Intel could produce the right chips at the right cost for Apple then they are not going to say no.
Here's Intel's problem: On one hand, Apple has stayed with Intel for a very, very long time, even when AMD had very arguably better products. You stay loyal to a supplier as long as they deliver. And on the other hand, TSMC has served Apple very, very well for many years. Apple isn't going to separate from TSMC just because Intel has a new, unproven fab. Intel would have to have _significant_ advantages over TSMC, and would have to convince Apple that this is permanent, not temporary.
 
So would Intel put a sticker on the devices that says "Intel mside"?
 
Thanks for the excellent explanation. That last point would be a big change — didn’t they just a few months ago appear to double down on plans to continue making their own chips?

Does it sound like Intel is willing to put their proprietary processes to the side in order to become a big player in this market? How does their current foundry investment compare to when they attempted this previously? Does it seem they are “all in” this time around?

Those are all excellent questions and nobody really knows the answers yet! :) They seem to more flexible and committed this time around but we’ll see!
 
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Yeah. Hard to believe it's been over 20 years since I built my first non-Intel rig using an Athlon Thunderbird. o_O 180 nm, baby!

Oh yeah, I remember building a water cooled, dual XP2100 rig. The XP line of chips weren’t technically dual CPU capable but a 9v battery easily shorted the L5 bridge which was apparently the only difference between the XP and the MP. Had those puppies running at 155fsb, up from the standard 133mhz. Good times!
 
There’s nothing we can do to stop it from happening, in another decade China will outstrip us militarily so we couldn’t stop them even if we really wanted to short of an all out nuclear war.
I doubt it. US spends 8x times the amount China spends
 
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