I thought you'd roast Skoopman for his more "emberessing" spelling issues, what with being from the UK and all, you'd think he'd get that straight.
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After Beta, Messages Will Be Exclusive to OS X Mountain Lion
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WTF Do they not understand that not putting it on as many computers as possible has the effect of crippling it on the new ones?
In a world of communications options, implementations that limit the number of people you can communicate with are the weaker options.
Figure it out, Apple.
In a world of communications options, implementations that limit the number of people you can communicate with are the weaker options.
Figure it out, Apple.
Like AT&T announcing Unlimited Data plans with much fanfare, in order to get us on AT&T specific devices, then limiting the unlimited plans, and discontinuing them in favor of more expensive ones.
Is there an app for GoogleVoice though? That's the one nice thing about Messages, is that it integrates with my GTalk chat accounts as well as my Jabber accounts in one place.
Yea I used to do that with classmates when I was in college, when we were supposed to study for exams.
I think it's up to 10 buddies per group video chat? I could be wrong though.
Darn, I didn't know that... well, back then I only had a few Mac buddies and I used to see enough of them during the day to really want to see then inside iChat again.
So, what's going to happen when the beta expires?
I totally asgree. I would guess that Mountain Lion's primary purpose is to enable the transition from iOS and OS-X into a single operating system. Pulling out old technology at this time would be a smart move.
You purchased your current products because of the value, features, and benefits it had at the time of purchase. If you want more than that, either hold off your purchase until it has what you want, or make an additonal purchase when it becomes available.
Gee, Toyota just came out with a new Prius that can be pluged in. I should get ticked-off that I can't upgrade my old Prius? I don't think so.
That's misleading, Apple! You have to tell someone up-front if they download a beta version of something that replaces the existing app, that you'll have to pay again to get it back. If it's not up-front, how is a consumer supposed to make an informed decision.
Tsk, tsk.
Tsk, tsk.
No, I think it is being released as 10.8 because it comes right after 10.7.
You should really read John Gruber's account of the private demo of 10.8 he got from Phil Schiller. It's not because they want to show up Windows 8, it's because they want to start having yearly releases of OS X to coincide with yearly releases of iOS.
Apple's Mac strategy is exactly opposite what most people on MR seem to think it is.
Snow Leopard was awesome. Super stable and snappy. I only used Leopard for a few months, but SL did add a slew of features and stability.
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I understand that no matter what you do someone will not like it, but I'm just glad they're going to allow you to do mirroring and iMessage. That alone would be evought for me to pay for the upgrade. Looking forward to purchasing a MacBook pro later on this year.
I understand that no matter what you do someone will not like it, but I'm just glad they're going to allow you to do mirroring and iMessage. That alone would be evought for me to pay for the upgrade. Looking forward to purchasing a MacBook pro later on this year.
In more shocking news today it's rumored that Adobe Lightroom 4 will also be a paid upgrade once moved from public beta to final release. Microsoft, which will release its new version 8 OS as a public beta later this month, also will not be free upon final release. Leeches and self-entitled people everywhere are shocked at the corporate greed.
It's an update to iChat!!! Nobody wants the entire OS for free. It's an addition to iChat and iCloud, both of which are already included in Lion and clearly run on older machines. It's a silly thing to take away and a clear ploy to make people want to upgrade based on what we know about ML so far. Similar to Siri.
Calm down people. Apple is letting you have a look at a feature from 10.8, for free! When the beta period ends, your software will work the way it did before.
Damn you Apple. I love your products but unbelievable greed excretes form every pore of you. If it isn't bad enough that my 2007 blackbook won't run Mountain Lion you now are denying your faithful customers useful features. Listen i can't afford a nice shiny new Mac to have this feature, so how about you cut the little guy some slack and make this available to all.
I posted yesterday that the dev preview allowed me to install it on one unsupported Mac, another didn't work(?) but it was clear to me that Messages will be 10.8 only and will be killed on Lion upon expiration (you will have to upgrade) and if you have a machine with an unsupported graphics system you will NOT be able to install Mountain Lion. So yes you must get a new machine.....
Apple is pushing more tech and obsoleting not only the OS faster (i.e. Snow Leopard is now TWO generations back and unsupported with new Apple software) but also their hardware will be outdated faster because they now are in a position that they weren't 10 years ago when development took a long time and machines could still run new things 5+years on. All because they are the biggest company in the world now and have more resources to develop hardware/software faster which means faster obsolescence.
Not anymore! Now a new version of OS X is coming out every 12 months according to Tim Cook. Get ready to upgrade OS X and hardware more frequently if you want or need the latest things!!
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but c'mon who isnt going to upgrade?
I think I will eventually upgrade. To a flavor of Linux. This "revolutionary" dungeon keeper feature and the direction and mindset that it represents convinced me of it.
I joined the Mac community in 2005 after having been in the PC world since the first PC (yes, dual floppies...GEEZER ALERT). One of the best things about being on the Mac is that 5 years later, my Macs run as good as they did when I purchased them. My oldest is now a MacPro 1,1, and not eligible for ML. On the one hand, we brag that we spend more on Macs but that they last longer and we don't waste countless hours with spy and adware issues (and that time has a value). The downside, is that the longevity of a machine means that newer software, optimized for the newer technology, will not run well on it. So we have a choice....keep the older machines that do what we need them to do, or we replace the hardware in order to use the new software. I'm bummed that my MacPro will not see anymore upgrades (our two iMacs and MacBook Pro units will)...but it's the better choice than being in a system where the a major software upgrade coincides with you being sick of your old, slow and less expensive PC. We win and we lose....but I'll stick with what I have and not complain about it....
They are working on it with 10.7.x updates.
Mountain Lion is just adding a few more features.
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No, they're letting you beta test their software for free. You can uninstall it. You aren't required to have Messages.
If they discontinued iChat all together forcing people to upgrade to Mountain Lion then I could see your point being valid.
This. The funny thing is, had they not come out with the beta, few would be whining about why this isn't going to be available for Lion. It would be just one of the upgrades included in ML.
Waking up...
You're quite right. Used to be new iterations of OS X would take 18 mos. to 2 years to materialize. Now the intervals are getting shorter and shorter and each exacts an upgrade from the user.
I've totally come out of denial about this subtle (*only* 29 bucks) but insidious practice. It does remind me more and more of Microsoft, although M$oft's regressive taxation of its users puts Apple's in the deep shade. Still, Apple has risen to the bait of steady revenues from OS "upgrades." The term "legacy" by now has become a parody of itself, and it's beginning to really piss me off.
Are Apple's "innovations" really innovations any longer or are they just tweaks of their customer base?
There, I got it off my chest at last. Now when did you say Mountain Lion will be released, I can't wait... (;
You're quite right. Used to be new iterations of OS X would take 18 mos. to 2 years to materialize. Now the intervals are getting shorter and shorter and each exacts an upgrade from the user.
I've totally come out of denial about this subtle (*only* 29 bucks) but insidious practice. It does remind me more and more of Microsoft, although M$oft's regressive taxation of its users puts Apple's in the deep shade. Still, Apple has risen to the bait of steady revenues from OS "upgrades." The term "legacy" by now has become a parody of itself, and it's beginning to really piss me off.
Are Apple's "innovations" really innovations any longer or are they just tweaks of their customer base?
There, I got it off my chest at last. Now when did you say Mountain Lion will be released, I can't wait... (;
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Why do people always try to make it sound like developers don't get paid? Developers don't work for free. Developers work for money which Apple pays them. Developers will get payed so Apple can stay on top of the industry and probably make more money than a lot of us will ever make. The money you pay goes to Apple. Some don't think what appears to be a delta upgrade should be paid for. Comparable delta upgrades on the iPhone and iPad are free. It's not selfish, it's the nature of the industry.
There is no reason whatsoever for consumers to have to spend constantly to be able to do the things they "need". A macbook from 2006 can do everything a new macbook air can, infact it can do more.
People have just let themselves be brainwashed into believing that they MUST have the latest stuff or they are an inferior human being, which as anyone with a braincell will tell you is utter BS.
Damn you Apple. I love your products but unbelievable greed excretes form every pore of you. If it isn't bad enough that my 2007 blackbook won't run Mountain Lion you now are denying your faithful customers useful features. Listen i can't afford a nice shiny new Mac to have this feature, so how about you cut the little guy some slack and make this available to all.
I can't believe my late 2008 macbook cannot run Mountain Lion. It's just wrong on Apple's part.
but what if you can't upgrade...
I've heard that MBP with the ATI X1600 won't be able to run Moutain Lion. I would love to upgrade but if my machine can't then why should the beta end for me. The app works completely fine under Lion. I feel this is a really dick move by Apple. I understand if your machine can upgrade to Apple new Kitty then you should but if you can't upgrade Apple shouldn't do this. Just my opinion.
I've heard that MBP with the ATI X1600 won't be able to run Moutain Lion. I would love to upgrade but if my machine can't then why should the beta end for me. The app works completely fine under Lion. I feel this is a really dick move by Apple. I understand if your machine can upgrade to Apple new Kitty then you should but if you can't upgrade Apple shouldn't do this. Just my opinion.