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After Beta, Messages Will Be Exclusive to OS X Mountain Lion
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Haven't gotten around to try this yet, and others might've realized this already.. iChat's video chat isn't limited to 1-to-1 video like FaceTime currently does - is FaceTime (1-to-1) the only video chat option in Messages?
ML is what it is, and for some it will enhance their user experience and for others it wont be worth it. But you can never please everyone.
Apple will judge the sucess of ML like any other company with every other product based on its uptake and sales. But people Stamping feet before the final release based on if they can send message is a bit sad..
We can all have our own opinion based on our user experience but it doesnt make the product good or bad. Messages is one application of many.
Apple will judge the sucess of ML like any other company with every other product based on its uptake and sales. But people Stamping feet before the final release based on if they can send message is a bit sad..
We can all have our own opinion based on our user experience but it doesnt make the product good or bad. Messages is one application of many.
The question is: what's going to happen when the Beta ends?
It already replaced iChat, so does this mean we are going to left without anything?
At least it should be available in the AppStore.
There's no real reason for not making it available for Lion too, as it is compatible.
I'm planning to upgrade when it comes out, but it would be unfair to those who are not upgrading.
At least Apple should reward those who are Beta testing their product, and give it out for free. Without us, they wouldn't be able to test it in a real world environment.
Should we all agree not to test it unless Apple promises to make it available for all supported versions for free?
Preach on, brother. Getting close to upgrading my Core2Quad/9500GT to i7-2600k/GT430.
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Bummer. I guess I won't be trying the beta then since my Mac won't run ML and I was hoping to get one more year out of it. I only upgrade my hardware when I am not able to do something I want to do. I haven't had that issue yet with my MacBook. But it seems to be coming soon. But not being able to use Messages is not going to get me to upgrade. I just went to Lion when iCloud came out!
I have only had 2 Macs since Sept 2004. That is pretty good, I think.
Bummer. I guess I won't be trying the beta then since my Mac won't run ML and I was hoping to get one more year out of it. I only upgrade my hardware when I am not able to do something I want to do. I haven't had that issue yet with my MacBook. But it seems to be coming soon. But not being able to use Messages is not going to get me to upgrade. I just went to Lion when iCloud came out!
I have only had 2 Macs since Sept 2004. That is pretty good, I think.
Really? I didn't know iChat could video conference more than 2 people at the same time. Well, I remember trying a few things with it, but never saw that as a possibility.
First... if you don't like Messages after installing the beta, there is an "Uninstall" option on the Messages menu that will reinstall iChat for you, so the fear that you will be left with nothing when the beta expires is clearly unwarranted.
Now, my guess is that the purpose of the Messages beta is not so much to beta-test the client side, which can be done in the developer previews, but to beta test the server (iCloud) side under some load by getting some number of users using it. If that's the case, it would explain the crudity of the UI, and it may mean that the ML version of Messages will include additional functionality, or similar functionality implemented in a different way that relies on APIs present in ML but not Lion.
So Apple appears to have developed a short-term beta app to use to introduce the concept and exercise the cloud servers, an app which is not up to Apple's standards of a finished product (witness the snarking about the UI) and which will die a deserved death one the functionality is well integrated into the OS -- the OS being Mountain Lion.
Now, my guess is that the purpose of the Messages beta is not so much to beta-test the client side, which can be done in the developer previews, but to beta test the server (iCloud) side under some load by getting some number of users using it. If that's the case, it would explain the crudity of the UI, and it may mean that the ML version of Messages will include additional functionality, or similar functionality implemented in a different way that relies on APIs present in ML but not Lion.
So Apple appears to have developed a short-term beta app to use to introduce the concept and exercise the cloud servers, an app which is not up to Apple's standards of a finished product (witness the snarking about the UI) and which will die a deserved death one the functionality is well integrated into the OS -- the OS being Mountain Lion.
Does anyone else get the feeling that this is being released as a NEW OS 10.8 because Windows 8 will be released soon?
They don't want people to think their OS is older. Kind of like Microsofts move with the Xbox. XBox 2 sounded inferior to Playstation 3 so by calling it the 360 they got to use an equivalent mental image.
They don't want people to think their OS is older. Kind of like Microsofts move with the Xbox. XBox 2 sounded inferior to Playstation 3 so by calling it the 360 they got to use an equivalent mental image.
Because it is powerful enough to use it. I upgraded my late 2007 with an SSD, with 6 GB of ram and a 500 gb hard drive, and it can for sure run it.
It even runs the 64 bit kernel, you even have the drivers for X3100, it is only an artificial decision that it can't run 64 bit natively.
Same for mountain lion.
This is nothing new. Apple did the same thing with the iChat AV public beta. Apple did offer 10.2 users the option of buying it for $29 if you didn't want to upgrade. ML will likely cost that amount or less.
I think it would be smarter for Apple to decouple the app from the OS, combine it with FaceTime, and offer it for Windows for free. Otherwise Skype will run all over them in this area.
I think it would be smarter for Apple to decouple the app from the OS, combine it with FaceTime, and offer it for Windows for free. Otherwise Skype will run all over them in this area.
but c'mon who isnt going to upgrade?(if you dont have an integrated video a few years old...)
More people than you realize. I say this will change in the coming months.
Just let bad publicity and a nice lawsuit from someone with time and a law degree and they will change their tune. I for one will not be upgrading one of the laptops since its doing just fine on Lion and its 5 years old. Yes it still runs Lion and actually dam fast with SSD
. But it is showing its age and Apple does not want me to upgrade. All other laptops and iMac will get an upgrade of course after a few months of watching people scream about issues and alien probing.
So I guess this is gonna be a "big" app for ML... They want to start the iOS trend of apps not working on older devices... Do they realize people don't upgrade their computers as fast as their phones... Based on what I have seen I still don't get why reviewers are saying ML is a big update...
Wow, Apple sure has balls.
1. Show the world that it CAN be run on Lion.
2. Release Mountain Lion.
3. Inform that it will no longer run on Lion. Why? Because.
This is different than the artifical requirements of Siri. It wasn't first released for all iPhones and then retracted.
Sure, I understand marketing, but I'm surprised that they didn't just include it in the Mountain Lion Developer Preview alone if this was the plan all along.
Especially those with older integrated graphics cards, something completely irrelevant to messaging, will be annoyed since Mountain Lion won't support those.
Probably no storm and flying chairs about this yet, but rather when the Beta times out.
1. Show the world that it CAN be run on Lion.
2. Release Mountain Lion.
3. Inform that it will no longer run on Lion. Why? Because.
This is different than the artifical requirements of Siri. It wasn't first released for all iPhones and then retracted.
Sure, I understand marketing, but I'm surprised that they didn't just include it in the Mountain Lion Developer Preview alone if this was the plan all along.
Especially those with older integrated graphics cards, something completely irrelevant to messaging, will be annoyed since Mountain Lion won't support those.
Probably no storm and flying chairs about this yet, but rather when the Beta times out.
Are you able to read? Just asking because lots of people don't like this artificial limit.
Relax Apple is a big company and stuff like this always tend to get resolve in time Cook is a good CEO this stuff will go away.
Dude, you are jumping the gun based on rumors. "Messages" at least might be available to you possibly for free or for .99 in the App Store.Damn you Apple. I love your products but unbelievable greed excretes form every pore of you. If it isn't bad enough that my 2007 blackbook won't run Mountain Lion you now are denying your faithful customers useful features. Listen i can't afford a nice shiny new Mac to have this feature, so how about you cut the little guy some slack and make this available to all.
Has anyone told you guys you're a bunch of whiners?
I remember when people paid $30 or more to register shareware apps, and that was 10-15 years ago, when a dollar was worth a little bit more than it is now.
If $30 is too much for a one-time purchase, you can always go pay $12 a year for Trillian Pro.
Money isn't the issue. It's just not worth $30 to me.
Like I said, if Apple throws in some more stuff (which I assume they will) which is good, then I'll consider. But otherwise, I'd be even fine with 10.6.
Don't forget screen sharing! Both are useful features. As a matter of fact, if all members have iChat there is no need to even look at Skype...
Yea I used to do that with classmates when I was in college, when we were supposed to study for exams.
I think it's up to 10 buddies per group video chat? I could be wrong though.
For an app that has one primary purpose-- sending messages-- it sounds appropriate to me to complain if that functionality is broken.