Not to mention the freak out by some in the Mac community when Apple made the move to the x86 processor and in doing so basically moved to PC hardware. Any time there is change, there is going to be a small and vocal segment resistant to it.
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After the dust settled, what is the consensus about 2016 MBPs?
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Not to mention the freak out by some in the Mac community when Apple made the move to the x86 processor and in doing so basically moved to PC hardware. Any time there is change, there is going to be a small and vocal segment resistant to it.
No it's not at all. And while there is no need to debate, since your comparison was poor and your otherwise incorrect , I don't want people coming here and reading silly comments about USBc.
A better analogy would be all vehicles have the same mechanism for refueling, and all gas stations having a mechanism that fits into all cars to refuel them regardless of brand.
The prior base rMBP with 256 GB was $1499. The price went up $300 for a gimmick bar.
Your ability to read a conspiracy theory into an opinion is breathtaking. Perhaps you'd care to quantify some of your absurd statements? Oh, you can't?
Welcome to ignoreland.
The overall point remains: there is no "consensus" regarding the 2016.
Ignore people means you have failed. I wouldn't recommend that.
The price increase cannot be solely attributed to "a gimmick bar". And even if that were the case, the Touch ID sensor is worth at least half of that in usability. Prices won't stay the same forever.
There is a conesnus on the 2016 MacBook Pro. That conesnus is that it is a fantastic machine with a ton of great features. It's also expensive. Anything aside from that is just noise.
The prior 2.9Ghz rMBP with 256Gb was $1799. Yes, they have discontinued the lower-tier version — or more precisely, they have downgraded the lower-tier version. But the price for the same spec is still the same between the 2015 version and the touch-bar 2016 one.
Which one of my statements is absurd? That they have redesigned the chassis and many of its components? Or that they have developed all new speakers, keyboard and display assembly? Or that they worked together with AMD to create a die-thinned version of Polaris 11 that is more efficient and occupies less space? Would you care to elaborate?
You claim that Apple doesn't care about the Mac or the power user. And yet it spends insane amount of money and effort to redesign it and implement new technologies (not to mention taking risks with this release due to its future-oriented design) and goes out of its way to put fast CPUs and GPUs into the laptop without sacrificing battery and while actually improving the portability of the device. That is indeed a very weird way of not caring.
Thank you for repeating what I wrote in my first post in this thread
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Your debating skills are truly astonishing. I retract all my previous statements
As I said, this thread would degenerate to quibbling, with the critics mostly being non-owners...the same old noise from folks with an axe to grind, or unable to afford the upgrade or some magical spec they imagine they need.
But ask the critics what they DO that the new touch bar can't handle and the silence is generally deafening. Naturally, there are a few who have VERY REAL needs not met by this machine, but that will happen no matter what is done.
This is still nothing compared to the screaming when Apple removed the CD/DVD drive...not even close, but people tend to have short memories.
TouchBar Mac...best yet from Apple for most. Price? Typically expensive for Apple, but when I compare to last years model, I'm shocked that Apple made so many improvements and kept the price down for professionals. Consider that my loaded Air was over 1500 dollars, but just a few bucks more you get a top tier screen, top tier drive and a far more capable machine. I can pretty much say the same for my 15". It cost just 250 more than last years model and is vastly better, from screen to keyboard.
So if you want a real consensus, ask OWNERS that use the new models for work and profit.
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But ask the critics what they DO that the new touch bar can't handle and the silence is generally deafening. Naturally, there are a few who have VERY REAL needs not met by this machine, but that will happen no matter what is done.
This is still nothing compared to the screaming when Apple removed the CD/DVD drive...not even close, but people tend to have short memories.
TouchBar Mac...best yet from Apple for most. Price? Typically expensive for Apple, but when I compare to last years model, I'm shocked that Apple made so many improvements and kept the price down for professionals. Consider that my loaded Air was over 1500 dollars, but just a few bucks more you get a top tier screen, top tier drive and a far more capable machine. I can pretty much say the same for my 15". It cost just 250 more than last years model and is vastly better, from screen to keyboard.
So if you want a real consensus, ask OWNERS that use the new models for work and profit.
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My consensus is....I love my 2016 15" MacBook Pro. Does it have issues? Sure. Is anything in life perfect. Nope. Is it worth your money? That's your decision.
When my beauty heats up I get that nice annoying 'clicky' sound on my 3, tab and caps lock keys. Since there's no solution to that and it doesn't effect performance and so many people have reported the same thing, I've decided there's nothing I can do. Exchanging it isn't a guarantee. My hope is Apple officially recognizes the issue, offers a fix and solves it for the next release. Would I have noticed the sound had I not read about/heard it here first? Maybe, maybe not? I remember telling myself that I'm glad my little computer was perfect and I got the one good egg. But then I heard it and it became a point of frustration. Sounds silly...guess it is. Should I expect perfection out of a 4k laptop? Yes. Crazy...These are interesting times we live in...
When my beauty heats up I get that nice annoying 'clicky' sound on my 3, tab and caps lock keys. Since there's no solution to that and it doesn't effect performance and so many people have reported the same thing, I've decided there's nothing I can do. Exchanging it isn't a guarantee. My hope is Apple officially recognizes the issue, offers a fix and solves it for the next release. Would I have noticed the sound had I not read about/heard it here first? Maybe, maybe not? I remember telling myself that I'm glad my little computer was perfect and I got the one good egg. But then I heard it and it became a point of frustration. Sounds silly...guess it is. Should I expect perfection out of a 4k laptop? Yes. Crazy...These are interesting times we live in...
I finally used my friends 13 inch base NTB MBP yesterday for couple hours and I can say you have every right to be furious with Apple. For the money that you pay, the processing speed was like a joke. How can I see the rainbow when Mozilla on Google Docs running with Excel ? The fun part, Excel was not even running any kind of VBA or Macros. My 2011 with SSD and Ram upgrade can smoke my friends in a heartbeat.
The point I am furious is that I wanted to change my Mac after 6 long years, but after I exposed last night for sometime with the base model, I cant seem to change my mind to hold on to my MBP for another upgrade. The part that, I feel skeptical is that, if the base model was like that in NTB, how will the difference on the TB one and can it legitimize the extra cost, or am I going to be the ones who buy the product and return it back.
Cant say anything bad about the build quality but for my personal reference, I can say that the first time in many years, MBP keyboard felt cheaply out through. I have tried many times at various Apple Stores but when you are at your own space and using under your own term, it helped me made my decision clear.
The point I am furious is that I wanted to change my Mac after 6 long years, but after I exposed last night for sometime with the base model, I cant seem to change my mind to hold on to my MBP for another upgrade. The part that, I feel skeptical is that, if the base model was like that in NTB, how will the difference on the TB one and can it legitimize the extra cost, or am I going to be the ones who buy the product and return it back.
Cant say anything bad about the build quality but for my personal reference, I can say that the first time in many years, MBP keyboard felt cheaply out through. I have tried many times at various Apple Stores but when you are at your own space and using under your own term, it helped me made my decision clear.
If your 2011 13" is faster than a low-end 2016 13", then that specific 2016 model is either broken or misconfigured. Simple as that.
That's what we thought and ran benchmarks and diagnostics. Nothing came up besides similar scores.
My largest gripe is the keyboard. No one, not one person, should experience an issue with keys changing their noise when the laptop gets warm. That is flat out poor design on their part, and it does not bode well for the longevity of the device.
I don't mind the keys, the feel, etc - but what i mind is the variability in experience users are finding across the board - glue? heat? **** off with that.
Nope you're wrong
I don't even know what this debate was about and don't care to read far enough back to see, but I couldn't help think about this when I read the "wrongs"
I don't even know what this debate was about and don't care to read far enough back to see, but I couldn't help think about this when I read the "wrongs"
Haha nice. Yeah that's the only way to respond to somebody who does that.
The same can be said for the 2015 model as well as for the even older models. When I see this discussion and people bringing up things like "can't justify" my alarm bells go off. It makes me wonder if they are capable of being responsible with money, especially those who've first bought it and then returned it because "can't justify". Buy what you can buy. The 2016 is a great model but so are the previous ones which can be had for a lot less money.
We are talking about a mobile computer which imposes limits on size, weight, thermals and so on. I'd say the biggest issue is lack of knowledge of what a professional and a notebook really are (and most likely how to properly read what the Intel power management app shows you; just because it doesn't reach the 3.1GHz turbo boost doesn't mean heat is the issue!!!). What you posted above is unrealistic. A notebook has to be small, light, last long on the battery, not get piping hot and be as powerful as can be within all those requirements.
Then say that instead of being unrealistic.
At work we have problems with not having the adapters too...for all Apple notebooks from 2015 and earlier. Yes, you read that right, for all the older models.
For the 2016 we have plenty of adapters because we switched to USB-C due to all the other non-Apple ones using that (and the Dell multiport-adapter is more useful than the one from Apple has because it also comes with an ethernet port). Apple is one of the last to switch to USB-C but they are the first to only have USB-C. The biggest advantage of USB-C for us is the fact that it supports power, data and video which means we can buy just 1 multiport-adapter which can do all that and we can buy them in bulk for all the notebooks no matter the brand or OS. That's quite a big cost saving. Especially since we don't need to buy any docks because the multiport-adapter is perfectly capable of doing that and they are cheaper than those docks.
Btw, today I was thankful I had an adapter because it made the cable just long enough; without it the cable was too short.
And 2 expensive Thunderbolt controllers instead of just 1.
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I don't know... I've had a very tough experience with these notebooks and have given up for the time being. I went through 6 defective units.
1. The N key on my keyboard literally popped off when I opened the computer the first time. It seems that the "clips" were broken in the factory.
2. The Power/Touch ID button wouldn't always register to turn the computer on - it was intermittent.
3. Deep scratch along the speaker grill - enough that it would catch my thumbnail, stopping my hand moving across (maybe I should have settled, but for a $4000 machine?)
4. 5 dead-pixels and what I could call a "grease" spot on the LCD panel - looks like a grey blob underneath the panel.
5. Keyboard issues again: space bar would often register two spaces, or none at all.
6. I just sent it back today - Scratched on the chassis below both speakers, and supper wobbly touch id.
I am not asking for another replacement at this point. I have now been $24,000 worth of computers - sad I am disappointed; I love the form factor, feel and style of the computer - I just can't seem to win the lottery with Apple. Never have I had any troubles like this with Apple computers - they have always been solid. They need to either up their QA, or stop charging a premium if they can't deliver a premium product.
1. The N key on my keyboard literally popped off when I opened the computer the first time. It seems that the "clips" were broken in the factory.
2. The Power/Touch ID button wouldn't always register to turn the computer on - it was intermittent.
3. Deep scratch along the speaker grill - enough that it would catch my thumbnail, stopping my hand moving across (maybe I should have settled, but for a $4000 machine?)
4. 5 dead-pixels and what I could call a "grease" spot on the LCD panel - looks like a grey blob underneath the panel.
5. Keyboard issues again: space bar would often register two spaces, or none at all.
6. I just sent it back today - Scratched on the chassis below both speakers, and supper wobbly touch id.
I am not asking for another replacement at this point. I have now been $24,000 worth of computers - sad
I am disappointed; I love the form factor, feel and style of the computer - I just can't seem to win the lottery with Apple. Never have I had any troubles like this with Apple computers - they have always been solid. They need to either up their QA, or stop charging a premium if they can't deliver a premium product.I don't know... I've had a very tough experience with these notebooks and have given up for the time being. I went through 6 defective units.
1. The N key on my keyboard literally popped off when I opened the computer the first time. It seems that the "clips" were broken in the factory.
2. The Power/Touch ID button wouldn't always register to turn the computer on - it was intermittent.
3. Deep scratch along the speaker grill - enough that it would catch my thumbnail, stopping my hand moving across (maybe I should have settled, but for a $4000 machine?)
4. 5 dead-pixels and what I could call a "grease" spot on the LCD panel - looks like a grey blob underneath the panel.
5. Keyboard issues again: space bar would often register two spaces, or none at all.
6. I just sent it back today - Scratched on the chassis below both speakers, and supper wobbly touch id.
I am not asking for another replacement at this point. I have now been $24,000 worth of computers - sad
Bummer!
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I though I was unlucky with 3 different 6S's but you sir, brought it into another level.
I would definitely mail Apple about it besides store gives feedback to HQ.
I don't know... I've had a very tough experience with these notebooks and have given up for the time being. I went through 6 defective units.
1. The N key on my keyboard literally popped off when I opened the computer the first time. It seems that the "clips" were broken in the factory.
2. The Power/Touch ID button wouldn't always register to turn the computer on - it was intermittent.
3. Deep scratch along the speaker grill - enough that it would catch my thumbnail, stopping my hand moving across (maybe I should have settled, but for a $4000 machine?)
4. 5 dead-pixels and what I could call a "grease" spot on the LCD panel - looks like a grey blob underneath the panel.
5. Keyboard issues again: space bar would often register two spaces, or none at all.
6. I just sent it back today - Scratched on the chassis below both speakers, and supper wobbly touch id.
I am not asking for another replacement at this point. I have now been $24,000 worth of computers - sad
I though I was unlucky with 3 different 6S's but you sir, brought it into another level.
I would definitely mail Apple about it besides store gives feedback to HQ.
What the hell is up with Apple's QA lately? It's been pretty garbage for about a year at this point.I don't know... I've had a very tough experience with these notebooks and have given up for the time being. I went through 6 defective units.
1. The N key on my keyboard literally popped off when I opened the computer the first time. It seems that the "clips" were broken in the factory.
2. The Power/Touch ID button wouldn't always register to turn the computer on - it was intermittent.
3. Deep scratch along the speaker grill - enough that it would catch my thumbnail, stopping my hand moving across (maybe I should have settled, but for a $4000 machine?)
4. 5 dead-pixels and what I could call a "grease" spot on the LCD panel - looks like a grey blob underneath the panel.
5. Keyboard issues again: space bar would often register two spaces, or none at all.
6. I just sent it back today - Scratched on the chassis below both speakers, and supper wobbly touch id.
I am not asking for another replacement at this point. I have now been $24,000 worth of computers - sad
Its a turd. Wouldn't buy one not even at refurb prices for multiple reasons. Only thing stopping me buying a Dell is the thought of having to fight with windows update bs. As it is I'm going to stick with my 2014 mbp and see if the rumoured mbp 2017 appears and is any better.
For the record....I have bought 2 of the 13" touch bar units and one 15" touch bar (Since I got the 15" I ended up selling one of the 13" units.)
My associate bought 4 of the 15" units (maxed out for use in his PP studio) and two more for cutting a feature film on location. My partner bought two of the 13" units.
Not one of us got a defective unit, nor do we know of anyone who has. So if you got two (or SIX?) bad units, you must be the least lucky person on the planet. Of course, defects happens, but here in LA there is no uptick in returns with these new machines via defects. Nor is there an issue with defects at stores in NY or Chicago.
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My associate bought 4 of the 15" units (maxed out for use in his PP studio) and two more for cutting a feature film on location. My partner bought two of the 13" units.
Not one of us got a defective unit, nor do we know of anyone who has. So if you got two (or SIX?) bad units, you must be the least lucky person on the planet. Of course, defects happens, but here in LA there is no uptick in returns with these new machines via defects. Nor is there an issue with defects at stores in NY or Chicago.
R.
If you work in movies, how can you possibly know what Apple's returns numbers are ?
My close friend works for apple and his wife works with the Genius Bar. I get pretty good intel on what's going on and when a problem is real or not.
Example: I knew for a fact that the battery issues upon release were a serious problem for the 15". It got fixed fast, but it caused a HUGE kick of issues at stores, so not isolated at all.
But this is not the case for most of what we hear in these forums. What we do see are "batch issues" where a run of systems have the same defect, but that happens with most products of this type.
So, in spite of the "misery loves company" aspect and the "my computer is busted so everyone else's must be too" stories, the reality is that most owners are having a good experience with the new machines. Read forums on cars, cameras, watches or food processors, and you'd end up never buying anything!
R.