After the dust settled, what is the consensus about 2016 MBPs?

[CaptRB]

Well where I am usually the older ones populate the refurb store not the new ones. You seem to think I'm kaing up an idea of people wanting the 2015 - there are numerous numerous posts on here of people buying the 2015 in preference to the 2016. Personally I have a 2014 - I see no need to upgrade it to either 2015 or 2016 as they don't offer me anything worth upgrading. Unless things change by the end of the year I'll likely go Dell

There will always be folks who hold onto an older model. This happened in a BIG way when they cut the internal CD drives. But the future won't be denied.
Like I said, if you like the new one, great. I upgraded from my 2015 to the new model because I'm a photographer. The screen is improved and on location shoots, I need every edge I can get.

I can also type faster on the new keyboard faster and the larger trackpad makes photo work easier for me.

In the end the improvements on the new model will matter to some and not at all to others. Not a big deal, but don't kid yourself. The new machines will be everywhere in a short period of time. I was at a shoot two weeks ago and I was surprised to see more of the new models than old. The good news is that I got a good price on my 2015 model. Now I'm selling one of the 13" touch bars and getting 100 bucks less than I paid, so I'm a happy camper.


R.

 

[Jaekae]

I had no big errors but im annoyed of all UI lag im getting, always hoping a software update will fix it, but seems it never does..
When i run windows 10 on bootcamp its smoother than smoothest butter.. but the macbook cant even hande its own OS

 

[Sanpete]

Pro is neither the user nor computer IMO. Your task either requires a lot of resources or it doesn't. My 8yr old loves to play video games and pushes the beast of a pc I built more than I do during development.

Just bad naming by Apple.

Huh? Are you arguing your 8-year-old is more pro than you, or that the word pro has no meaning at all (which is plainly not true)?

 

[CaptRB]

No 32GB option.
A pretend Pro model with only 2 ports total.
Dongle heaven.

What's not to like?

Just curious...what do you need 32GB for? I own both the 8 GB and 16 GB touch bar models and both handle monster RAW files from Nikon D810 and Canon 5DS with ease.

My associate is cutting a feature using the 15" models.

I know there are some who do need 32GB, but most don't. These new SSD drives create enough virtual memory to handle anything I've thrown at them.


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[JMacHack]

None!!! of the new MBP models are real pro machines.
They're good for browsing the internet, check your emails etc....assuming you're not using Safari.

I've read more intelligent things carved into bathroom stalls

 

[serkan]

I've read more intelligent things carved into bathroom stalls

Like this

 

[dogslobber]

Just curious...what do you need 32GB for? I own both the 8 GB and 16 GB touch bar models and both handle monster RAW files from Nikon D810 and Canon 5DS with ease.

My associate is cutting a feature using the 15" models.

I know there are some who do need 32GB, but most don't. These new SSD drives create enough virtual memory to handle anything I've thrown at them.


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"640K ought to be enough for anyone."
-Billionaire Bill

 

[CaptRB]

"640K ought to be enough for anyone."
-Billionaire Bill

After all these years, non-professionals still don't get it.

We buy gear for TODAY, not tomorrow. This year Nikon will update the D810 with a new sensor at 46 or 48 MP. But the machines can handle a lot more than that and the next sensor cycle is 3 years away. And in 3 years we MIGHT see 60 to 70 PM sensors, still within the abilities of the Touch Bar 15". Of course I'll have a new laptop at that point. I'm not doing so badly that I sweat such a purchase.

So 8 GB is plenty and 16 GB will last through a LOT of jobs for most users. When common associated gear and tasks demand a more powerful laptop, Apple will build one.

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[SDColorado]

So 8 GB is plenty and 16 GB will last through a LOT of jobs for most users. When common associated gear and tasks demand a more powerful laptop, Apple will build one.

R.

Pretty much the same answer applies to another thread someone started...

When are we getting more than 16gb ram, it's 2017

Short Answer: When it makes sense to do so.

 

[ZapNZs]

But, don't the high amount of refurbs available argue that there have been alot of returns ?

Apple waited a long time to start selling refurbs, so they presumably accumulated a high quantity during this period, and may have waited so that availability of refurb units didn't become a touch-and-go game of hunting and doing a border scramble to get one the moment a few went up for sale. If 10% of the computers they sold were returned, that's over half a million units IIRC.

As we saw from these forums, some went back due to major issues, some due to minor annoying QA issues, some due to issues related to the software but not the computer, and some were just returned because the Buyer decided on switching the size or year. I imagine a 10% return rates for computers is an extremely low estimate, when accounting for all causes (problems, size change, or just returning it within the return window because it did not meet the Buyer's individual expectations or the Buyer decided the investment price was higher than they felt comfortable with.)

Ultimately, I think the high quantity of refurbs is more a reflection on the retail industry as a whole, and the way that Apple decided to go about in waiting to release refurbs for sale. I don't think that, in and of itself, can say much about the implications because the reason for returning a computer can be so varied. For example, a huge portion of the returns could have been from people who bought a 13 nTB and decided they wanted the TB model, or people who bought the 15 and then decided to go for a 13 instead.

 

[dogslobber]

So 8 GB is plenty and 16 GB will last through a LOT of jobs for most users. When common associated gear and tasks demand a more powerful laptop, Apple will build one.

I don't understand people who always apply their limitations to others. You don't need this. You don't need that. Your limitations are not applicable to others.

 

[CaptRB]

I don't understand people who always apply their limitations to others. You don't need this. You don't need that. Your limitations are not applicable to others.

Fine, but be logical is your statements.

As in:

I currently NEED a Dodge Hellcat because I typically drive 150+ MPH and NEED a car that can do a 1/4 mile in under 11 seconds.

Then back up that requirement by adding: "I use my car in competition."

So, if you NEED 32 GB just tell us WHY. Otherwise you might as well say that the Pro should have a 50 TB SSD or float on water.

The new MacBook Pro WILL be deficient for some users. Exactly two people have honestly explained why they could use additional RAM and why the virtual memory wasn't always workable for their workflow.

This thread is pretty funny. One guy says that the website is flooded with new refurbs (22 is a flood!) and now we have the 32GB bit? I'll buy into the RAM limitation, but back it up. Otherwise people just sound like they have a bad case of sour grapes, griping over specs they don't even need to defend their aging machines.

Just a reminder from a previous thread: I bought my 15" touch bar only because I got it from a friend who let me have it for nearly 1000 dollars off. I was very happy with the 13" touch bar and keeping my 2015 15" rMBP.

But one week with the new 15" sent last years model right out the door. That's how much nicer the new machine is.


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[OneMike]

Huh? Are you arguing your 8-year-old is more pro than you, or that the word pro has no meaning at all (which is plainly not true)?

I'm arguing that the term "Pro" is misleading. Pro implies Professional. Professional and computer requirements don't directly correlate.

 

[JMacHack]

I currently NEED a Dodge Hellcat because I typically drive 150+ MPH and NEED a car that can do a 1/4 mile in under 11 seconds.

Then back up that requirement by adding: "I use my car in competition."

I think it's more akin to arguing:

"Hey guys, I need an F350 to haul building materials and my boat around"
And the response is:
"You can do just fine with an S-10, and it's good enough for 90% of the time"

Some people need more.

 

[Sanpete]

I'm arguing that the term "Pro" is misleading. Pro implies Professional. Professional and computer requirements don't directly correlate.

They correlate well enough. The idea is that the pro versions have features suitable for professional settings. That they may also be good for 8-year-olds doesn't alter that.

I think it's more akin to arguing:

"Hey guys, I need an F350 to haul building materials and my boat around"
And the response is:
"You can do just fine with an S-10, and it's good enough for 90% of the time"

Some people need more.

Given some of the posts about this, a more proper analogy might be that someone claims to need a heavy-duty hitch to tow their boat with their S-10, but the engine doesn't really make that practical even with the heavy-duty hitch.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/when-are-we-getting-more-than-16gb-ram-its-2017.2039492/

 

[CaptRB]

I think it's more akin to arguing:

"Hey guys, I need an F350 to haul building materials and my boat around"
And the response is:
"You can do just fine with an S-10, and it's good enough for 90% of the time"

Some people need more.

Yup.

But putting a product down because it doesn't meet a requirement you don't even need is basically trolling, especially if you do it again and again.

The MacBook Pro touch bar is an excellent machine. Does that make it perfect for everyone? Nope, nor is ANY laptop.

BTW, the rear end of my car gets a bit light after 170 MPH. It can make the car feel scary at such speeds and I think the aero and lack of downforce are the flaw.

But bashing the car for a feature so few need would be pretty silly. Most of my car enthusiast friends have rarely driven over 140 MPH.

And so it goes with the Pro. Now that things have settled and most of the initial issues are calming down, it's just another solid laptop from Apple. Buy it or don't buy it, but don't invent narratives to make yourself feel better about not having the latest & greatest from apple, because it just sounds like sour grapes and this happens in many forums with many products. I'm in the Porsche, SRT and BMW forums and the same stuff happens there when a car is released. There's always a persistent group that owns the previous model claiming the new car isn't improved enough or too expensive.

But what comes across is that this is often just envy. Why do you need 32GB? Why do you need a car stable at 180 MPH?

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[dogslobber]

Fine, but be logical is your statements.

As in:

I currently NEED a Dodge Hellcat because I typically drive 150+ MPH and NEED a car that can do a 1/4 mile in under 11 seconds.

Then back up that requirement by adding: "I use my car in competition."

So, if you NEED 32 GB just tell us WHY. Otherwise you might as well say that the Pro should have a 50 TB SSD or float on water.

I don't need to tell you anything. If I make a statement that the 2017 MBP is junk as it's not got a 32GB option then that's as far as you need to be informed. There is no discussion about my requirements. They exist as my business only so focus on the statement that's relevant which is the huge gap in the Apple laptop line up compared to their competitors.

 

[OneMike]

They correlate well enough. The idea is that the pro versions have features suitable for professional settings. That they may also be good for 8-year-olds doesn't alter that.

By that logic you're implying that the non pro models don't have features suitable for professional settings.

 

[Sanpete]

I don't need to tell you anything. If I make a statement that the 2017 MBP is junk as it's not got a 32GB option then that's as far as you need to be informed. There is no discussion about my requirements. They exist as my business only so focus on the statement that's relevant which is the huge gap in the Apple laptop line up compared to their competitors.

Huh? Why post something if you can't give any reason for it? Just for the joy of self-expression?

By that logic you're implying that the non pro models don't have features suitable for professional settings.

No, only that the pro models have additional ones so as to be more suitable. This isn't as hard as you're making it.

 

[csurfr]

"640K ought to be enough for anyone."
-Billionaire Bill

I hate to burst your bubble on this one, but Bill has said over and over and over that he never made this statement, and there is no proof showing he did.

I was actually going to use this same line for something the other day, and was unable to attribute it to anyone, let alone Bill Gates.

 

[CaptRB]

I don't need to tell you anything. If I make a statement that the 2017 MBP is junk as it's not got a 32GB option then that's as far as you need to be informed. There is no discussion about my requirements. They exist as my business only so focus on the statement that's relevant which is the huge gap in the Apple laptop line up compared to their competitors.

LOL.

In other words, you don't need 32GB and likely don't know anyone who does.

BTW, I know a designer who works in prosthetics who needs more than 32GB, so pretty much every laptop is "junk" to him by your thinking. But he'd never say such a thing because he's an educated fellow, And yeah, he also owns a 13" touch bar for other work.

If you can't back up what you say here, you WILL be called out on it and exposed. And that's just what happened.

Cheers,

R.

 

[csurfr]

Huh? Why post something if you can't give any reason for it? Just for the joy of self-expression?

It seems that people will complain just to complain. I have 32gb of ram in my iMac. . .Will Photoshop, Illustrator, etc ever use it? Not a chance. It's there only because it can be, and the upgrade was cheap. My MacBook Pro with 16gb is more than capable to run anything that I'll be able to throw at it, both now and the foreseeable future.

 

[c0ppo]

It seems that people will complain just to complain. I have 32gb of ram in my iMac. . .Will Photoshop, Illustrator, etc ever use it? Not a chance. It's there only because it can be, and the upgrade was cheap. My MacBook Pro with 16gb is more than capable to run anything that I'll be able to throw at it, both now and the foreseeable future.

But some people do need 32GB. You don't? Good for you
My use case requires a lot of ram, I do get along with 16GB, but 32GB would be a killer option for me. Multiple VM's at the same time are memory hungry. And the requirements are only growing.

4000€ laptop should be good enough for at least 3 years. With 16GB it isn't.
Quite simple

 

[csurfr]

LOL.

In other words, you don't need 32GB and likely don't know anyone who does.

BTW, I know a designer who works in prosthetics who needs more than 32GB, so pretty much every laptop is "junk" to him by your thinking. But he'd never say such a thing because he's an educated fellow, And yeah, he also owns a 13" touch bar for other work.

If you can't back up what you say here, you WILL be called out on it and exposed. And that's just what happened.

Cheers,

R.

I feel like you hit the nail on the head here... And as for the quote you used, I'll say that I recently (as of 3 weeks ago) had a Dell XPS 9560 with the Quad i7, 32gb of Ram, 1tb HDD, and 4gb of video ram, and guess what? Nothing worked well all and the battery life was atrocious.

Just because you CAN doesn't mean that you SHOULD. Apple decided on 16gb for a reason, and as the article earlier today showed, they are the only manufacturer that reached their advertised battery life. The others didn't even get 50% of what they claimed.

If you need 32gb for some crazy reason, here are your options: buy a Mac Pro, or an iMac. If you want a laptop, your machine is waiting at the Microsoft Store for 2749 + Tax. But that in itself doesn't make the MacBook Pro a bad machine.
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But some people do need 32GB. You don't? Good for you
My use case requires a lot of ram, I do get along with 16GB, but 32GB would be a killer option for me. Multiple VM's at the same time are memory hungry. And the requirements are only growing.

4000€ laptop should be good enough for at least 3 years. With 16GB it isn't.
Quite simple

I congratulate you on the ability to *share* what you might want 32gb for. Others have not been able to do so, and that is what we were talking about.

 

[CaptRB]

By that logic you're implying that the non pro models don't have features suitable for professional settings.

Not at all. I own a maxed out Air, and both the 13" and 15" pro touch bar models. The pro machines are certainly more capable than the Air. It's faster and feels nicer to work on. Pay more and you get more. The name "pro" is fine and denotes a machine that is at the higher end. Who even cares about such things?

This is the same silly stuff I hear between Pro and consumer DSLRs. Part of the marketing is too sell higher-end stuff to folks who really don't need it. It works very well as a majority of people could work happily with a 4GB Air (many do), but think they need a 2500 dollar "pro" machine.

These are the same folks who are imagining that they need 32GB.


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But some people do need 32GB. You don't? Good for you
My use case requires a lot of ram, I do get along with 16GB, but 32GB would be a killer option for me. Multiple VM's at the same time are memory hungry. And the requirements are only growing.

4000€ laptop should be good enough for at least 3 years. With 16GB it isn't.
Quite simple

I totally respect anyone who's honest and says I could make good use of 32 GB because of real and specific requirement. And I expect you'll get that need filled soon.

But the majority of people complaining about the "issues" don't have that need. They're just bashing a machine they probably want and can't/won't afford.

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