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AgileBits Denies Reported 'Acquisition Talks' Between Apple and 1Password [Updated]

This is just a good example how Apple software is lacking. 1Password kills Keychain.

There was a time when people used Apple software because it was the intuitive-problem solving software like Keynote and iWeb. Now people use Apple software because they are locked in the ecosystem.
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interessiert said:
I guess some hidden ad writers are around :confused:

Same you find in AppStore comments to this app - a lot who say money is nothing and we do love subscription o_O

best greetings to AgileBits...
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You can still get the stand alone app, otherwise I would quit on them. No way I am storing my passwords in the cloud.
 
AussieSimon said:
Here's a few
  • NextSTEP (bought by Apple in 1997)
  • Final Cut Pro (bought by Apple in 1998)
  • Logic Pro (bought by Apple in 2002)
  • CUPS (bought by Apple in 2007)
  • Siri (bought by Apple in 2010)
  • FoundationDB (bought by Apple in 2015)
And that's just Apple
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Every single one of those saw far faster development before they were purchased. Seriously, every one of them.
 
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They also cost money where as Apple gave them to their customers for free :)
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OldSchoolMacGuy said:
Every single one of those saw far faster development before they were purchased. Seriously, every one of them.
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They also cost money whereas Apple gave them to their customers for free and kept them going before they went out of business :)
 
Including follow up:
I guess some hidden ad writers are around :confused:

Same you find in AppStore comments to this app - a lot who say money is nothing and we do love subscription o_O Or they recommend the (very pricy) standalone version :D - you get just at their website (not through AppStore) - of course no family use either ;)

best greetings to AgileBits...

ENPASS PASSWORD MANAGER is nearly as good and offers fair conditions and acceptable prices.
 
From the screenshots of the UI, looks like they basically ripped off AgileBits.

interessiert said:
Including follow up:
I guess some hidden ad writers are around :confused:

Same you find in AppStore comments to this app - a lot who say money is nothing and we do love subscription o_O Or they recommend the (very pricy) standalone version :D - you get just at their website (not through AppStore) - of course no family use either ;)

best greetings to AgileBits...

ENPASS PASSWORD MANAGER is nearly as good and offers fair conditions and acceptable prices.
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So Apple agrees that Keychain leaves a lot to be desired?
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OldSchoolMacGuy said:
AussieSimon said:
Here's a few
  • NextSTEP (bought by Apple in 1997)
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Every single one of those saw far faster development before they were purchased. Seriously, every one of them.
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You are aware you using a massively evolved version of NextSTEP right now, which gets yearly larger updates?
 
Janichsan said:
So Apple agrees that Keychain leaves a lot to be desired?
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You are aware you using a massively evolved version of NextSTEP right now, which gets yearly larger updates?
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Parts of macOS and iOS incorporate parts of NextSTEP stack in concept but it's not at all a massively evolved version of it.
 
Stella said:
From the screenshots of the UI, looks like they basically ripped off AgileBits.
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Ripping or not - decisive is that ENPASS works properly at a reasonable price - I wonder that they just take a small money for iOS device - for MAC and PC it's for free :)
THUMB UP !
 
1password is a reasonable price too, for me, it is excellent value for money. Plus, it works correctly too! That rip off app you speak of ;-) doesn’t have the functionality for my needs.

For added bonus - IMO, AgileBits are based in Ontario, they have an office in toronto. So - I’d rather support them.

interessiert said:
Ripping or not - decisive is that ENPASS works properly at a reasonable price - I wonder that they just take a small money for iOS device - for MAC and PC it's for free :)
THUMB UP !
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Stella said:
1password is a reasonable price too, for me, it is excellent value for money. Plus, it works correctly too!

For added bonus - IMO, AgileBits are based in Ontario, they have an office in toronto. So - I’d rather support them.
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Canucks supporting fellow Canucks. :eek:

How so many people can complain about 50 - 60 dollars, when they spend $2000+ on a computer is amazing to me.

It's not like Agilebits charges a yearly upgrade fee (even for the license model). Many people have used 1Password for 5+ years and still complain about an upgrade price.

Too many people want a quality product but, don't want to pay quality developers to create the product.
 
jarman92 said:
Huh...seems like a tacit admission that Apple's Safari system isn't good enough for even Apple employees? I'd love an explanation for what its shortcomings are, as it does everything I imagine a password manager should do (and more).
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No OTP support, no secure document storage, immensely inferior password generation with no ability to make modifications to length or character type support, no shared passwords. That's just for starters. It might do what you imagine a password manage should do, but that's simply because you haven't experienced or seen the expanded capabilities that make 1Password far more robust, useful, and secure.
 
1Password is a royal pain in the ass, I much prefer Keeper, good browser ext, adjustable encryption level. 1Password is just overly complicated and could learn a bit from Keeper!
 
OldSchoolMacGuy said:
Parts of macOS and iOS incorporate parts of NextSTEP stack in concept but it's not at all a massively evolved version of it.
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As anyone who has done any amount of programming on these platforms can tell you, that's objectively false. Mac OS X is a direct descendent of NextSTEP from bottom to top. A set of existing Apple technologies (e.g. QuickTime, Carbon) were ported and some new technologies (e.g. Quartz, Aqua) were built from scratch, but the bulk of it is a direct evolution of the NextSTEP code base.

It's the same kernel. It's the same boutique programming language. It's the same core API. It's the same system architecture. Even Xcode is a direct descendent of NextSTEP Project Builder and Interface Builder. Cocoa is a direct descendant of NeXT's AppKit. Even many of the bundled apps from Mail.app to TextEdit.app are direct descendants of real apps on that platform.

Obviously a lot more changed than it would have compared to a hypothetical NextSTEP 5.0 release, but that's the point, isn't it? Development of a software product was greatly accelerated as a result of acquisition.

OldSchoolMacGuy said:
Every single one of those saw far faster development before they were purchased. Seriously, every one of them.
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That's an absurd assertion in the face of obvious evidence to the contrary.
 
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BasicGreatGuy said:
How so many people can complain about 50 - 60 dollars, when they spend $2000+ on a computer is amazing to me.
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Wouldn’t pay for over 2000$ for MacBook but will answer. For me 50$ per year for password storage subscription is just wasting the many. Period.
 
There's a standalone app of 1Password, so don't subscribe if you don't want to.
For families I'm sure it's worth it.
Otherwise, just buy it. Well worth the money.
If it isn't, I'm sure there's some **** you can buy with less security and user-friendliness.

It's not often 1Password have charged for their versions upgrade.
Nothing to complain about. They gotta live to.
 
Lioness~ said:
Of course you can. I bought the 7 upgrade very recently.
You buy within the app. Download here: https://1password.com/downloads/
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Thanks, I was not aware of it as they are hiding it very good at their website and even in the app.
49,99$ for one device + additional 10$ for iOS seems like almost 2 years cost of the subscription without few features. Does anyone know how much time will it stand? For example, will it work with macOS from 2022?
 
1Peace said:
Does anyone know how much time will it stand? For example, will it work with macOS from 2022?
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Honestly, nobody can know this
[doublepost=1531509531][/doublepost]I recently went the subscription route after being a user for years
I went through about 400 sites/passwords and updated them all with complicated passwords generated by 1Password
No password is used on other sites now, and 2 factor is enabled everywhere I could
Took me quite a while, but I am very pleased with the results

I have no problem paying for a product I use constantly and does what I need
 
It’s $36/year if you pay in one lump sum. You can always pay $4 for a tryout and switch to annual billing later.
 
B-Mc-C said:
I permanently lost all trust in 1Password after I spent time entering all of my information into it, then one day everything disappeared and I was back to the welcome tutorial. Never again! Apple’s iCloud Keychain has never done that to me, and is far superior IMHO, with tighter integration as long as you’re all-in on the Apple ecosystem and don’t have a need for cross-platform/cross-browser.
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While I sympathize with your situation it’s not like keychain hasn’t had significant issues for users since it was released. Keychain is definitely not far superior. Hell, if for the cross platform ability alone it isn’t superior. Funny that Apple would offer 1Password for its employees for free when they have keychain at their fingertips.
 
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jedwards87 said:
Exactly. But people love to whine and complain about doom and gloom. They obviously have more time on their hands than the rest of us.
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LP is ok but their user experience and UI is horrible. Absolutely horrible. DashLane would be better.
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And hasn’t LP had a couple issues with intrusion in the past? Seem to recall that.
 
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