You're quoting the experts from Bloomberg, right?
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If you are 'average user' pls. stop talking. Because then you can only babble like a student in the schoolyard.
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Ahead of CES, Apple Puts Up Billboard Touting Privacy in Las Vegas
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You're quoting the experts from Bloomberg, right?
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CES products you will see that never comes to the light of day
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Currently this is one of the biggest advantages of Apple since everyone else on the market is exposing your life and creating a profile on you and storing it on a server forever and ever that includes Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and everyone else with multipage user agreement.
That being said, this ad is a bit misleading given that everyone with an iphone is probably using some sort of the "free" services that actually does collect your data and knows what happens on your phone. I am sure almost 99% of people have a Google, Facebook, or some other "free" service product.
I would like to see Apple impose some sort of a rule that any app on their platform does not collect user data so long as he is not logged in with an account.
That being said, this ad is a bit misleading given that everyone with an iphone is probably using some sort of the "free" services that actually does collect your data and knows what happens on your phone. I am sure almost 99% of people have a Google, Facebook, or some other "free" service product.
I would like to see Apple impose some sort of a rule that any app on their platform does not collect user data so long as he is not logged in with an account.
Probably it is not really that issue in South Florida, at least for certain social classes.
In Europe, for example, this discussion plays a very different role. Also in my european circle of friends the privacy (Apple, VPN etc.) is an important decision criterion. None of my friends are criminals, all are very vigilant about what is happening in the world.
In Turkey, for example, there is a gap between supporters and opponents of the government. There, people could lose property and respect if disclosed.
In Germany before 1989 there was a dictatorship in the East which tried with all possible technical means at that time to expose opposition members and church people.
The value of privacy is always forgotten in prosperity. Someone who statistically classifies people feels easily almighty to make even better decisions. If governments have no instrumental humanity (things like that happen here and there), they will base their decisions on simplified statistical-illusory worlds.
Therefore, privacy is the highest and most important value in many cultures.
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Apple's claims to superior protection of privacy are only valid within a narrow scope that virtually no one (those who don't use the "smart" part of their smartphone) falls under. It is, practically speaking, a marketing tactic.
Agree.
And who can afford it, earns his money also for the protection of his privacy.
If the value of a new car color is considered higher than the value of privacy, then you buy a new car + Android. Everybody decides how they want it.
I'm just annoyed about people who don't value privacy. Or people who discredit this goal precocious as unattainable without ever deeply desired it.
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Yes I think I should have prefaced my statement with “in the US”. That is a very interesting perspective tho and one i don’t typically think about living in the US
Of course the thousands upon thousands of unsuccessful tries to find that password, without causing suspicion, was the users faults as well?
A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link, and that is not going to change anytime soon. Recognizing that and building in appropriate safeguards is something Apple certainly should have done. Something as simple as - "We see that your account has had 10 thousand password fail attempts, we suggest you either learn your password or make damn sure that it's sufficiently complex enough that it will not be easily guessed."
Weird concept, I know.
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Some would. Those that abhor ever taking personal responsibility for their actions. And instead go through life whining and blaming others for their bad decisions and the consequences that result.
Seems to be a lot of that going around.
Really. Apple manufacturing, testing, and shipping around 600,000 iPhones (on the average), every single day, isn't up there?
Interesting that Apple has chosen not to participate this year. I say this as someone who's been pulling companies out of trade shows for several years now, as the shows have become shows-for-the-people-who-do-shows -- and not really customer-generating events.
That said, CES is a little different...
That said, CES is a little different...
#balling
Apple has a monopoly on taking individual (pseudo, i know) privacy serious. Sad for people who got priced out of the market and are forced to use alphabets os. Time for a new SE/cheaper device regarding the recent pricing „strategy“.
Apple has a monopoly on taking individual (pseudo, i know) privacy serious. Sad for people who got priced out of the market and are forced to use alphabets os. Time for a new SE/cheaper device regarding the recent pricing „strategy“.
The point stands though: unless iCloud gets hacked (if you have it turned on).
Apple needs to take themselves out of the business of holding the private keys that encrypt iCloud data and use on-device generated keys.
I do agree, no one has seen a significant iCloud hacked, but if we've learned anything over the past 3-4 decades it is that at some point it will be and having Apple control the private keys for everything in iCloud is a danger to everyone in the ecosystem.
I do think the ad is clever though. it just needs an asterisk: "*as long as iCloud backup is off."
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This year? When was the last time Apple officially participated? I could very well be wrong, but maybe in the early 1990s?
Forget it. FUD spreaders aren’t open to logical reasoning.
IMO, it’s a very clever play on the well known aphorism of Vegas. But to me it didn’t come across that apple was recommending or suggesting anything. Just a clever play on words.
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Guarantee that’s been rectified if true. Notice the if.
There are two separate issues on device data and iCloud data. Both the iPhone and iCloud are encrypted. The difference is in who holds the keys. On the phone (assuming you believe Apple) they are in the secure enclave. On iCloud, Apple holds them. Yes, everything is encrypted between the device (iOS, macOS etc) and Apple's servers, but Apple has the keys to encrypt and decrypt things stored on iCloud.
Apple says they can't get iPhone data. Their tech documentation shows they hold the private keys to the data kept on the iCloud servers so they can access that data. Until data is encrypted on the phone/mac/ipad/whatever prior to leaving the device using on-device keys, iCloud and Apple are a huge target. If Apple's keys and servers re compromised either through a rogue employee, rogue consultant, stupidly clicking on an email or some other method, there is a ton of data available.
Anyone who thinks it won't happen has their head in the sand. The history of CS is replete with examples where no matter how good someone's engineering team is, someone will miss something at some point. Or someone will click on a phishing email, someone will be blackmailed, someone will give in to temptation and take a big payout to copy the keys. All it takes is it to happen once. Intel, IBM, Microsoft have all had big security holes. Apple is not perfect and has had issues with iOS and macOS and while it hasn't with iCloud yet, eventually it will, whether it is this year or this decade or next decade.
It’s not their only strength. They still produce beautiful designs.
They should return to make useful products instead of focusing on removing functionality, and lower their prices.
It is factual based on Apple's documentation. Apple has the keys to things stored in iCloud. They are not encrypted on device using an on device key.
This is why China told Apple it had to store data for iCloud accounts created using China as their home country when they were created on servers inside China. That way China can compel Apple to provide the keys to the iCloud data stored there to decrypt them. Prior to that the keys to decrypt it were stored in the US. This has been widely discussed
The solutions are:
1. If you are in China don't turn on iCloud backups etc. Or anywhere else for that matter if you don't want a chance of having them stored on Apple's servers where someone could decrypt them.
2. Apple could enable on device encryption using on device private keys and then only store that encrypted data. Will that happen? I would hope so if Apple truly cares about privacy.
Exactly. And there is no issue or conflicts based on your facts. Apple does not want to be a gatekeeper, however it does want to show that YOUR data is being handled as best as possible by apple. It can’t control, nor should it what Facebook does with your information and it has a right to take a cut of sales from the App Store.
