LOL. They want you to "wear stars" if you DO get vaccinated? You've got it entirely backwards (not to mention your casual trivialization of the Holocaust, which is a separate discussion).
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LOL. They want you to "wear stars" if you DO get vaccinated? You've got it entirely backwards (not to mention your casual trivialization of the Holocaust, which is a separate discussion).
Meaningless. Just about everything now is litigated in the court of public opinion now didn't you know that?
Once enough sheeple do it then that'll be it.
Rights are pretty much an illusion unfortunately until they are taken away. It happened last year when this mess started. 2020 was the year the CCP officially took over the world.
Im starting to think the movie Ready Player One is our not so distant reality.
That’s my plan. I’m a homebody. Have no desire to travel. I don’t do much after work. So I’m good
There are always people willing to comply with whatever the next incremental step toward tyranny is. They are weak people who are afraid.
It has been discussed in Europe much longer.
Also Israel has implemented such a passport. I know a lot of Americans who are sceptical about vaccines love Israel, so that should help.
The fact that you don’t get as sick, or sick at all, means you’re both a lot less contagious and for a lot less time, as your body and your inmediate surroundings don’t get filled with the virus replicating in your respiratory system. Additionally, you won’t stress the health care system by not requiring scarce hospital beds, oxygen, transportation, specially if you’re travelling abroad.
Remember, even if you pay for private insurance, it is still just an insurance, there’s always an associated cost for the collective tax payer and public at large when you have to be taken to a hospital. The cost is never 100% covered by private actors.
They don't know, they never did know and are just figuring that out now ...THIS IS A MASSIVE HUMAN TRIAL ON THE SCALE OF BILLIONS. The vaccine might last a few months, a few years or a few decades. Hilarious how all of the sudden big pharma are gods who can be unconditionally trusted. If VW can fake an emission report that turned into a scandal, drug companies can play with numbers. Like the way China has to tried to discredit the lab leak "theory" with bogus info or more importantly complete omission of info. It's laughable how even more gullible people became as soon as they were scared. Obviously in no way is this virus a theory or a fake, but the response and whats behind it is VERY VERY MUCH in question.
A big reason government wants to keep enough people alive is to pay taxes and keep the rich powerful. If enough people died then theres no one left to keep them rich nor have dominion over. Oh and lawsuits
But on a serious note people's critical thinking does pretty much go out the window when under duress or when scared. We also gave up a lot of freedoms after 9/11 if anyone cares to remember. Ironically now if you want to fly theres no way you are taking your shoes off or getting a pat down. So that went well.
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A lot of folks in this thread never heard of needing a Yellow Fever vaccination certificate to enter many countries, I guess.
Proving you've been vaccinated is the convention for air travel, getting into schools, joining the military, etc. I don't think many people would have a problem with that.
Proving you're vaccinated to get into a movie theater, a club or a dining establishment is *not* conventional in the United States up to this point and there are all kinds of equity issues that surround such a massive shift. I don't think we can be glib and say, "Well, do it or stay home". This current vaccine is free and will soon be available to all but future vaccines or boosters may not be. This indeed represents a restriction on people's freedom who cannot get a shot in the future.
This all may be overblown, and eventually it will only be required for travel but if it does expand as a requirement to everyday life then this needs to be very carefully considered. These are the types of issues that lead to extreme social reactions if we aren't careful.
Get a grip. This isn't the walking dead. It is a virus with a 99.8% survival rate. Hardly worth ending freedom over. And it's on its way to being eradicated through voluntary vaccines and immunity.
There is no justification for any of this. Not even close.
What people seem to be missing here, is what is the potential legal risks for airlines letting non-vaccinated people on board when they could have insisted on it?
Imagine someone dies from covid caught on a flight because the airline sat them next to someone who wasn't vaccinated.
If everyone is vaccinated then:
Imagine someone dies from covid caught on a flight because the airline sat them next to someone who wasn't vaccinated.
If everyone is vaccinated then:
- They are much less likely to get sick if someone on the flight has it
- If someone has covid, they are much less likely to be infectious if they've been vaccinated
No one is ending freedom. You're free to chose to be vaccinated. You're free to chose to not, and perhaps not be able to fly. Freedom is about choices. You'll have choices.
Instill FEAR in the public and they'll do what ever there told. Gradual changes. So we have the "enhanced" driver's license and we're supposed to be carrying or have a APP that shows vaccines. Smart phones computers Alexa or Google can spy on you 24/7 which IMO they've been doing for years now, certain words phrases are recorded and scrutinized.
The same people upset about vaccine passports are the same ones that called the elections fraudulent and were totally fine with the ensuing insurrection.
As far as I’m concerned those opinions aren’t to be taken seriously.
If people want to be all conspiratorial about public health measures, then at least these measures help keep them from getting plane loads of people sick. If you’re going to be in close proximity to others for long periods you should be getting your vaccinations.
As far as I’m concerned those opinions aren’t to be taken seriously.
If people want to be all conspiratorial about public health measures, then at least these measures help keep them from getting plane loads of people sick. If you’re going to be in close proximity to others for long periods you should be getting your vaccinations.
A vaccine is a form of medicine. I don't treat vaccine any different I would treat a form of pain killer. I am not even complying, I want this of my own free will and are trying to get a vaccine as quickly as possible.
I trust modern medicine almost completely based on their track record the last 150+ years.
I suppose the position of the people claiming it’s nobody’s business is acceptable as long as they stay home. Probably plenty of net positives would come out of that.
This is about international air travel. Those who oppose vaccines, masks and social distancing, they don't do international air travel, except perhaps to Cancun.
Not if you want to travel.
Here in the UK there's talk about having a 'vaccine passport' to enter a pub/restaurant/sports venue/entertainment venue.
On one hand it's slightly more assuring that everyone else around you has had the jab. But most of us under 50 are still waiting for our first shot, which is months away.
On the other hand, countries can demand people are vaccinated before being allowed to enter which is fair enough.
The funny part is that a vaccine isn't even a requirement, a negative PCR is enough.
You want to go to school in the US, you have to have vaccines and it's been that way for many decades. Any private business can say "no shoes, no shirt, no service." Been that way for decades. Yes, nobody's business whether or not you have had the vaccine. You want to fly on a commercial airline, that is not private. Sorry.
When I was a kid, one couldn’t go to school without being vaccinated. Those were the days when essentially eliminated communicable diseases even as we all got free high quality universal education. The days before the conservative movement defunded schools, and encouraged all kinds of actions that have made the populace sicker, more ignorant and foolish.
Some of the posts here are truly eye opening.
Yes, like everything in life it comes down to money and law suits......which make people money....so it all comes down to money.