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I'm glad that it's over - but you should notice that your post is no longer there. Let's keep the discussions at least remotely related to the topics.
Sure, some will live on w/ other users. However, many will find their way into closets, cabinets, or just lost into the ether. Also, by the nature of the iPhone platform, its not easy to downgrade to the previous level (e.g. iOS3) - thereby reducing the chances it will be used by others.
Apple thought this one out real good.
To anyone and everyone defending apple on this matter, just buy a ******** apple T-shirt and jump off of an extremely tall building...
The fact that they don't allow for new features in devices that can OBVIOUSLY support the feature is outrageous. This speaks strongly about how much they care about their customers, its the equivalent of saying "You bought it, we don't care anymore...".
To everyone saying "They don't have to do it, they only have to provide the functionality they offered when the phone was purchased", you are completely correct. By law, they don't have to do it. But this is not a matter of what they have to do, its a matter of what they should do.
Next time Steve gets up on stage and raves about how Apple is the best in the industry when it comes to customer service and satisfaction, I beg of you to laugh and cry. Laugh because you know they're just focusing on corporate greed and that they've truly lost interest in their customers, and cry because people are too stupid to see this, and Apple will probably get away with it...
The fact that they don't allow for new features in devices that can OBVIOUSLY support the feature is outrageous. This speaks strongly about how much they care about their customers, its the equivalent of saying "You bought it, we don't care anymore...".
To everyone saying "They don't have to do it, they only have to provide the functionality they offered when the phone was purchased", you are completely correct. By law, they don't have to do it. But this is not a matter of what they have to do, its a matter of what they should do.
Next time Steve gets up on stage and raves about how Apple is the best in the industry when it comes to customer service and satisfaction, I beg of you to laugh and cry. Laugh because you know they're just focusing on corporate greed and that they've truly lost interest in their customers, and cry because people are too stupid to see this, and Apple will probably get away with it...
Hmm, but Blizzard wouldt be telling minimum system reqs and recommended ones. Apple, who also designed the hardware, simply says, "upgrade your software! We recommend you do it. TRUST us." and when it bricked phones denies it, claims they don't know what people are talking about, and acknowledge it only after every media outlet in the country is mooning them with the story.
They just should not have supported the 3G for IOS4. Yet they did, and they still promise features on a device that can't even function as a phone half the time.
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Yep is time for me to upgrade my iPhone, That's why I'm going to the droid side, I'm getting tired of Apple.
You've gotta laugh at all the strawman arguments in here; stop being cheap, you should have known a new device was coming, stop complaining that your 2+ year old phone is no longer supported. All of these are absolutely irrelevent.
The main issue is that Apple promised a feature for all iOS devices, and at the 11th hour has gone back on that promise. They shouldn't promise a feature they can't deliver.
Equally, when iOS 4 was released for the 3G, it should have been very very clearly stated to customers that although this OS does add new features to their device, it does so at the expense of performance. However, no such warning was given, and acting in good faith towards a company they know and trust, customers upgraded only to find a very nasty surprise on the other side.
You can definitely appreciate why 3G customers would be very very ticked off. Apple need stop promising features they can't deliver, and that's the crux of the issue.
The main issue is that Apple promised a feature for all iOS devices, and at the 11th hour has gone back on that promise. They shouldn't promise a feature they can't deliver.
Equally, when iOS 4 was released for the 3G, it should have been very very clearly stated to customers that although this OS does add new features to their device, it does so at the expense of performance. However, no such warning was given, and acting in good faith towards a company they know and trust, customers upgraded only to find a very nasty surprise on the other side.
You can definitely appreciate why 3G customers would be very very ticked off. Apple need stop promising features they can't deliver, and that's the crux of the issue.
Who is saying that the 3G is 2+ year old?
Question: When was the last iPhone 3G sold by Apple?
Happy holidays people...
[else... Season's Humbug to the "it's all about me and my 3G" crowd.]
[else... Season's Humbug to the "it's all about me and my 3G" crowd.]
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I caved and bought an iPhone 4 but I kept my 3G as a wifi device for music & save my batt power on the 4 while traveling. My 3G doesn't work anywhere near as well as it did when I bought it. Apple iOS has essentially bricked it.
That sucks & I'm regretting my years of Apple loyalty.
This forum reads like it's now full of Apple paid shills now.
I caved and bought an iPhone 4 but I kept my 3G as a wifi device for music & save my batt power on the 4 while traveling. My 3G doesn't work anywhere near as well as it did when I bought it. Apple iOS has essentially bricked it.
That sucks & I'm regretting my years of Apple loyalty.
This forum reads like it's now full of Apple paid shills now.
_Extremely_ Well Said!
You hit the nail on the head... on a few fronts.
It's no longer Apple as we used to know and love them.
A company that built world class products that just worked.
It's no longer Apple Computer, many denied that when the narcissistic CEO changed the name from Apple Computer to Apple Inc. A very clear sign to those who were paying attention that the focus was changed forever.
Then as new products were rolled out, they were either buggy or missing features that the competition had, features that Apple purposely held back on. Left out so they could sell the "next rev" to hungry fanboys, who defended why the present version at that time, did not have those features.
To wit: The first iPhone was sold without cut and paste.... Now who's bashing Microsoft for following Apple's lead and doing the same thing?
Microsoft has learned from the master of fleecing the public for every last penny.
EX: The first iPhone did not have 3G... Hello Apple anybody home? Every other smartphone at the time with one single exception (RIM) _included_ 3G in their phones.
And the list goes on and on and on...
Now still awaiting my _Third_ MacBook Air, after two units literally became unusable as confirmed by the genius's, it never ceases to amaze me how many people continue to defend Apples poor choices. Lack of quality control. Etc.
Antenna Gate? .... don't get me started.
What a legacy....
My 3G can occasionally make calls. Can't answer them before they go to voicemail though. Thanks iOS 4.
Who is saying that the 3G is 2+ year old?
Question: When was the last iPhone 3G sold by Apple?
I think that's a problem in itself. You don't see the previous gen Macbook on sale when the new model comes out. Apple should do the same with iPhones then we wouldn't have this misconception over new and older technology.
_Extremely_ Well Said!
You hit the nail on the head... on a few fronts.
It's no longer Apple as we used to know and love them.
A company that built world class products that just worked.
It's no longer Apple Computer, many denied that when the narcissistic CEO changed the name from Apple Computer to Apple Inc. A very clear sign to those who were paying attention that the focus was changed forever.
Then as new products were rolled out, they were either buggy or missing features that the competition had, features that Apple purposely held back on. Left out so they could sell the "next rev" to hungry fanboys, who defended why the present version at that time, did not have those features.
To wit: The first iPhone was sold without cut and paste.... Now who's bashing Microsoft for following Apple's lead and doing the same thing?
Microsoft has learned from the master of fleecing the public for every last penny.
EX: The first iPhone did not have 3G... Hello Apple anybody home? Every other smartphone at the time with one single exception (RIM) _included_ 3G in their phones.
And the list goes on and on and on...
Now still awaiting my _Third_ MacBook Air, after two units literally became unusable as confirmed by the genius's, it never ceases to amaze me how many people continue to defend Apples poor choices. Lack of quality control. Etc.
Antenna Gate? .... don't get me started.
What a legacy....
Except that your statements don't have any actual basis in reality.
It's the same Apple. Just a lot bigger and growing, with a much larger presence (and influence) in the market. Or would you prefer they *not* grow? Make that argument to the shareholders. Please. I'd LOVE to see their reaction.
No, it's not Apple Computer anymore. Because they changed their name. Would you prefer *not* to have other Apple products? Would you prefer they *don't* bring their experience with computers to other areas of tech? Well, they have, and they've succeeded brilliantly. So much so that they're providing direction for the entire industry. Appel can't go back to the classic "computers" paradigm. No one can. The market has shifted dramatically over the past few years. In part because Apple is the one that shifted it. Google (or Bing, if you really want) "iPhone" and "iPad" for your enjoyment and edification.
Apple products were never *completely* without bugs, whether we're talking about the iBook G4, the Cube, you name it (but they were much better built in comparison to the competition and enjoyed far longer shelf life, resale value, etc.) Or would you prefer to run System 7 on an old Mac and wait for the Extension Manager to load everything? Not a bug, but certainly a horrible "feature." Let's allocate memory *by hand* to programs one by one, shall we? Let's not go back to pre-OS X days, mmkay?
The only people I see complaining about early adoption are the tech geeks on the ass-end of the net. They're a minority. And no, for the hundredth time, Apple WILL NOT make a headless, midrange tower you can take apart and play with. LOL
The first iPhone was sold without cut and paste. Totally forgivable given the revolution it brought to the market with *everything else* it offered. But this is 2010: releasing a crippled phone without cut and paste and multitasking is no longer forgivable. Because every other iPhone-knockoff has it. That's why. This isn't 2007.
No, the list doesn't go on and on, except in your head. Apple doesn't have a $20 billion quarter selling expensive gear by printing their own money. Consumers CHOOSE Apple, and continue to choose them. Just sit back and watch the results from the upcoming holiday quarter for further details.
Your THIRD Macbook Air?? Dude, you're just bad luck. Stay indoors until things improve. Remove your shoelaces for added safety.
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_Extremely_ Well Said!
You hit the nail on the head... on a few fronts.
It's no longer Apple as we used to know and love them.
A company that built world class products that just worked.
It's no longer Apple Computer, many denied that when the narcissistic CEO changed the name from Apple Computer to Apple Inc. A very clear sign to those who were paying attention that the focus was changed forever.
Then as new products were rolled out, they were either buggy or missing features that the competition had, features that Apple purposely held back on. Left out so they could sell the "next rev" to hungry fanboys, who defended why the present version at that time, did not have those features.
To wit: The first iPhone was sold without cut and paste.... Now who's bashing Microsoft for following Apple's lead and doing the same thing?
Microsoft has learned from the master of fleecing the public for every last penny.
EX: The first iPhone did not have 3G... Hello Apple anybody home? Every other smartphone at the time with one single exception (RIM) _included_ 3G in their phones.
And the list goes on and on and on...
Now still awaiting my _Third_ MacBook Air, after two units literally became unusable as confirmed by the genius's, it never ceases to amaze me how many people continue to defend Apples poor choices. Lack of quality control. Etc.
Antenna Gate? .... don't get me started.
What a legacy....
Great post and agree fully with everything!
It's not outrageous. It's good business for large companies.
A company shouldn't add any features, unless that lack will drive more customers to the competition than the competition will drive back (by the competition's own lack of features/quality/affordability, etc.) Any more features, and you give the competition an advantage by making your product slower to market, less tested, more costly, etc.
According to profit margins, Apple is (currently) succeeding.
The day that I finally upgrade my iphone 3g, it will most likely be to another smartphone that is not apple.
There are some great phones out there now and the choices will only get better.
The way I see it, since apple has abandoned me, it should expect the same.
When the iphone first came out, it was unique. Now it's just another phone.
Apple never really liked towers in the first place. It took them years to make any computer that didn't already come with a monitor. Apple never has liked the idea of you messing with their computer tbh. They are a lot more customizable now then they were back then. I honestly see Apple as having improved in that area to be honest. But maybe that's cause I remember the Mac 128k and the Mac SE and all those Macs.. you know the actual original ones that came with their own monitor (and you did not have a choice if you wanted a Mac, that's what they offered)? Apple I remember took a while to offer color monitors (I remember a kid I babysat who liked windows who would grin at me abotu his computer actually was in color). So, yeah, they even then ran behind at least in some technologies.
And I find it's funny the people bitching about Apple not being the same Apple are the ones that came in with the original ipods. Almost always they will say, I've been with the Mac since (some item that was made maybe 10 years ago).
Yeah, well I've been with Macs since 1984. And you guys came when apple was changing things around.
I will say I miss the days you could get an old OS for free (once it wasn't the new OS apple offered it to anyone to upgrade for free. I actualyl never paid for any upgrade). But... hey, Apple today is actually making money and popular enough people are making software for it. So, in my mind, yeah, maybe they're a little stingier, but it also means a lot more stuff is being made for my computer cause they are also running a more succesful business model. And the OS is still nice to use
.And that is where you're/they're mistaken. Once the computer is purchased, it is no longer their computer.
Wow. I bet you feel special (you're not).
_Extremely_ Well Said!
You hit the nail on the head... on a few fronts.
It's no longer Apple as we used to know and love them.
A company that built world class products that just worked.
It's no longer Apple Computer, many denied that when the narcissistic CEO changed the name from Apple Computer to Apple Inc. A very clear sign to those who were paying attention that the focus was changed forever.
Then as new products were rolled out, they were either buggy or missing features that the competition had, features that Apple purposely held back on. Left out so they could sell the "next rev" to hungry fanboys, who defended why the present version at that time, did not have those features.
To wit: The first iPhone was sold without cut and paste.... Now who's bashing Microsoft for following Apple's lead and doing the same thing?
Microsoft has learned from the master of fleecing the public for every last penny.
EX: The first iPhone did not have 3G... Hello Apple anybody home? Every other smartphone at the time with one single exception (RIM) _included_ 3G in their phones.
And the list goes on and on and on...
Now still awaiting my _Third_ MacBook Air, after two units literally became unusable as confirmed by the genius's, it never ceases to amaze me how many people continue to defend Apples poor choices. Lack of quality control. Etc.
Antenna Gate? .... don't get me started.
What a legacy....
I like the stuff and all of my Apple products work, except my Apple TV, which they replaced even after the warranty was out. I don't know where all of these dysfunctional products are.
I fully agree with you.
I still have my 2 and half year old 3G for the simple reason that there just isn't enough stock of the iPhone4 to upgrade without getting up early and standing in a queue on just the right day.
That said there are features in iOS4 that are really useful to me that probably should have been in earlier releases and maybe didn't need the overhead that iOS4 brought with it, possible for features that just didn't make it to the 3G.
The big issue is communication when steve gets up a talks he always almost implies the features will on all supported devices then the fine print come out on the website it still isn't always clear. So it's hard for the buyer to beware.
I know I was impressed that the 3G was included but as I said my phone is well over 2 years and had received a lot more almost painless updates in that time. Yet again wasn't the 3G base model still on sale the day iOS4 was previewed, I might have felt different if I was someone who brought late in it's run?
Apple handles this much better with Mac OSX sure some devices get cut off with each updated but there are updates for those devices post the new release security updates are generally ongoing for 2years. Plus there is generally one x.x.+1 update to the previous OS that will bring compatibility features.
To me it would be much better if Apple drew a clearer line in the sand and said these are iOS4 devices that get all iOS4 features. If we can't bring a software feature to one of them none of them get it. Plus iOS 3 will be updated to include some compatible features.
There would be no confusion, no expectations set up then broken. Which is after all the major part of the stuff up on Apples part. If a final iOS3 update had brought most of the same features to the 3G that iOS4 sort of brought to that model, I doubt any 3G owner would have been pissed off as we are now.
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I suppose some here are right. Those of us who feel abandoned by Apple should stop pining for that original company we once loved... Get over it and simply stop buying Apple product. There are decent alternatives now and with all this planned obsolescence Apple simply is no longer worth the premium pricing or blind loyalty.
I suppose some here are right. Those of us who feel abandoned by Apple should stop pining for that original company we once loved... Get over it and simply stop buying Apple product. There are decent alternatives now and with all this planned obsolescence Apple simply is no longer worth the premium pricing or blind loyalty.
That doesn't mean they have to make it easy for you to mess with it. I wasn't saying the individual computer you bought is still theirs. But, when you make a design, you do tend to view that as your design. And Apple doesn't like people messing with the design so they haven't tended to make their computers all that "upgradeable", least not easily. Honestly though, I think you got my point, you just didn't like it and decided to twist it to make it look silly rather than argue against it.
(and please, I'm not saying that is good or bad and I'm not trying to defend Apple, I'm just saying that is the way it is and has been).
My point being is people bitching that Apple is changing for the worst don't realize that Apple is being what Apple has always been. They just didn't see it cause they came in when Apple was changing stuff around. In my view, Apple has gotten better about making it easier to work on their computers *shrug*. And a little worse. But still better overall from when they started. Honestly, in my opinion, Apple has gotten more open minded about some stuff at least and has improved on some stuff.
Quality wise I do think they might have gone downhill judging from my macbook vs. my previous macs. As for latest technology, in some ways yes, Apple used to be more advanced. And some ways no (like they took forever to start using color monitors but they did adapt SCSI pretty soon when it was a good technology). Really it's the same way now *shrug*.
Point was to give a point of view from some one who has been with Macs from the start vs. the people who I see bitching (who have the same attitude I was giving off.. I'm a long time mac user). Your perspective on Apple changes on when you first got introduced to them.
I bought my first iPhone (3G) last May, and they released the 3GS 31 days later...1 day past my refund period ended.
This was my first Apple product, so I didn't know I had to follow the rumor mill before buying. Though I'm willing to cut them some slack, my phone is just 1.5 years old...such a bummer.
Upgrade and get stuck with another 2 years on ATT, or keep a crappy phone until it comes to Verizon.
I'm saying that it is irrational to state emphatically and uncategorically that anyone who uses the term fanboy (which is not an insult to a fanboy, but a description of someone who bases their loyalty on emotional/love/fanaticism instead of logic, usefulness or reliability). I personally have no loyalty to Apple OR Microsoft and I don't like trying to argue with fanboys of either platform because you cannot argue with emotion. Similarly, there are trolls out there and calling someone a troll doesn't automatically make you a troll. If you cannot see the logic in that, well that only proves my point that much further.
Are you giving credit to people that call others "Fanboys and Trolls"? If you do then I'm certainly not the one with irrational thinking. I like how you personally judged me based on what is in my signature? Let's keep the discussion in tact and not make this personal shall we? Remember I didn't attack you.
If you don't want someone drawing conclusions about your from your signature, you shouldn't make sweeping statements about anyone who says or thinks a certain thing.
I beg to differ. Aidenshaw's post spoke full allegiance to Microsoft. He certainly was defending them and preaching how well they've made strides in the business. If I went to a Windows forum and said all those amazing things about Apple I'd be called an Apologist, a Fanboy and be accused of drinking the Kool-Aid, so what reply would you expect from me after what he wrote about Microsoft on a Mac forum?
Some of us actually use both platforms. I own two Apple Macs, one Hackintosh and one PC with Windows XP. I couldn't care less about brand loyalty, Steve Jobs or Bill Gates (or whomever replaced him). I use what is useful to me. Aidenshaw's post was making what I deem to be a valid point about Microsoft versus Apple. Only fanaticism would automatically assume he is a troll for saying something positive about Microsoft. I've been on these forums for several years now and I have never known Aidenshaw to be anything remotely approaching a troll. I happen to agree that Apple is abandoning newer hardware far too quickly these days in favor of trying to force new sales and therefore higher profits. A shareholder might like that type of thinking, but a user should not. However, a fanatical user will endorse literally almost anything Apple does no matter how much it benefits the company and how little it benefits a customer.