I've been enjoying my iPhone without AirPlay, no reason not to keep enjoying it only because newer iPhones will have it. And I feel I'm totally in control of the obsolescence on my iPhone, because I, and not Apple, I'm going to decide when to buy a new model. Get over people, empower yourself.
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AirPlay Functionality Apparently Removed From iPhone 3G
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You assume that the old device is heading for the landfill.
One thing I notice with Apple products more often than competitors products is devices that were replaced with newer models very often have continued life with new owners.
Huge difference there slick.
to add bluetooth to the said car you would have to add hardware (at the time wasn't a option or you just could not pony up for the feature), not the same as adding a feature in softwre
airplay is purely software and uses the hardware that's already available in the 3g, its capable of supporting it.
or how about not being able to afford the extra $100 to get the new model ? allot of people out there (thanks to the economy) can not afford such luxury.
do you think everyone should have the funds just because you do, or think its ok to blow the extra $100 on something they might not really need when that extra money can go towards something they really need.
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But that's exactly why I'm a bit ticked off by all this.
I still use my trusty 3G (on 3.1.3 of course, hence the word 'use') and I was contemplating buying two iPhone 4's for my wife and me (she's still on a Nokia N95). The 3G would then become a fantastic music sending remote, finally upgraded to iOS 4 but robbed of most of its apps in order to store more music and video. With that option seemingly gone, it'll still be useful as a glorified iPod Touch for the kids. Or I might finally jailbreak it, to undoubtedly regain AirPlay functionality. Oh well.
What many commenters don't seem to understand is that 3G owners would probably even have accepted not being able to upgrade to iOS 4 in the first place. Instead, Apple could have offered some minor usability stuff in 3.2 and 3.3 upgrades (like the universal inbox) and then officially EOL the device.
What they did now is promise you a new feature, even demonstrate that feature in developer builds and then pull it. Baaaad form. They can't win now, because of their over-promising.
Maybe Apple should go back to their old comms: say nothing until you're ready to sell the stuff. But with software, beta versions and developers, that's a bit hard.
Well obviously it doesn't, otherwise you could upgrade to the next "iCrap10" device as you call it and run on your oh so awesome PowerPC Mac. LOL.
Maybe the reason for the XP support from Apple is because most people (outside of buying a new PC) haven't upgraded to Windows Crap 7 and there's a larger base of people. Or the fact that Windows technologies haven't really changed much since Windows 2000 Professional and its easy for them to support an age old OS. Ever thought of that?
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So, just to make that clear, iCrap10 refers to iTunes software - which in fact has made no significant use of OS evolution if you ask me. In fact it has gotten crappier with each iteration.
Check the requirement pages of iOS devices, check how many need iTunes10 to function. And then refer back to my argument.
Please name the specific Leopard based evolvement iTunes and Safari made that is not transferrable back to Tiger. I'd be happy to hear.
And maybe then, if I should really feel the need, I'd put back Leopard on my HDD (which I own a legit copy of but got rid of this POS on PowerPC after several real bad behaviour). You want to know what I'm talking about? O.K., I give you...
...been on OS X since 10.0.0 (sic!)...and except the FileVault fiasco in Panther I never suffered from any OS related bug. Then I installed Leopard and all of a sudden I had the daily Beachball of Death. So it's Tiger for me.
Have bought 5 Intel iMacs for work - three are dead currently. Go figure. Spent 3.500 on my Powerbook G4 and it was well worth it. Haven't met one Intel Mac that is worth the money (though they are cheaper now the built quality is really ****** - and yes, I'd take a THICKER but MORE POWERFUL Apple laptop any day). Two years ago had to make a decision - MacbookPro maxed out versus battery replacement. Went the battery replacement route as I wanted to wait for Nehalem. Turned out that Apple Consumer Electronics cared less and less about computers.
The only Apple computer that seemed to follow the code of "old Apple" was the MacbookAir. Expensive but well worth the money. It was really hard for me not to buy it.
Sorry to burst you bubble, but if you knew "old Apple" - actually if you knew the times when their entry level notebook was at the price point of the curent MacbookPro 15" - then you'd know what build quality I am missing.
i dont know why everyone is making a big deal out of this.
jailbreakers will help the 3g stay relevant and functional, on 4.1 you can have multitasking and wallpapers and even gamecenter, 4.2 performance i heard is better so im waiting for that, then il just install airplay and airprint if possible, im sure its just a plist file away turning false to true.
jailbreakers will help the 3g stay relevant and functional, on 4.1 you can have multitasking and wallpapers and even gamecenter, 4.2 performance i heard is better so im waiting for that, then il just install airplay and airprint if possible, im sure its just a plist file away turning false to true.
....You people are ridiculous. Really. It's like 89% of the people on here are trolls that feed each other. Both sides of your argument suck.
People mad at apple - you do realize you bought your product from APPLE, right? You couldn't have expected something different than how ipod software has always been.
People mad at people mad at apple - why are you arguing? If you're not lumped with the group mentioned above, you probably have a faster iphone to begin with.
You people suck.
People mad at apple - you do realize you bought your product from APPLE, right? You couldn't have expected something different than how ipod software has always been.
People mad at people mad at apple - why are you arguing? If you're not lumped with the group mentioned above, you probably have a faster iphone to begin with.
You people suck.
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So, just to make that clear, iCrap10 refers to iTunes software - which in fact has made no significant use of OS evolution if you ask me. In fact it has gotten crappier with each iteration.
Check the requirement pages of iOS devices, check how many need iTunes10 to function. And then refer back to my argument.
Please name the specific Leopard based evolvement iTunes and Safari made that is not transferrable back to Tiger. I'd be happy to hear.
And maybe then, if I should really feel the need, I'd put back Leopard on my HDD (which I own a legit copy of but got rid of this POS on PowerPC after several real bad behaviour). You want to know what I'm talking about? O.K., I give you...
...been on OS X since 10.0.0 (sic!)...and except the FileVault fiasco in Panther I never suffered from any OS related bug. Then I installed Leopard and all of a sudden I had the daily Beachball of Death. So it's Tiger for me.
Have bought 5 Intel iMacs for work - three are dead currently. Go figure. Spent 3.500 € on my Powerbook G4 and it was well worth it. Haven't met one Intel Mac that is worth the money (though they are cheaper now the built quality is really ****** - and yes, I'd take a THICKER but MORE POWERFUL Apple laptop any day). Two years ago had to make a decision - MacbookPro maxed out versus battery replacement. Went the battery replacement route as I wanted to wait for Nehalem. Turned out that Apple Consumer Electronics cared less and less about computers.
The only Apple computer that seemed to follow the code of "old Apple" was the MacbookAir. Expensive but well worth the money. It was really hard for me not to buy it.
Sorry to burst you bubble, but if you knew "old Apple" - actually if you knew the times when their entry level notebook was at the price point of the curent MacbookPro 15" - then you'd know what build quality I am missing.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I've been on "Old Apple" much longer than you. I've been on Mac OS X since the public beta and I've been on the Mac since Mac OS 8. I don't know what planet you're living on, Apple has had issues with their computers since the early PowerPC machines. Today's Unibody Macbook Pro kicks the crap out of the old PowerPC aluminum Powerbooks in build quality. How you could say the new MBP's build quality sucks is plain nonsense.
Since your memory of "Old Apple" is quite different from mine, let me help you stroll down memory lane.
The PowerBook 5300 (Burned to flames, most customers experienced the computer self igniting into a burst of flames)
The Sunflower iMac (screen was always tilted and wobbly and the superdrive sounded like a jet engine, almost unbearable to play a CD)
Aluminum Powerbooks G4 (warped screen lids, hinges breaking, white spots on screen)
PowerMac G4 MDD (Fans were so loud that the computer was unusable, Apple had to discontinue it)
Powerbook G4 Titanium "TiBook" (Massive paint issues, always flaking and chipping for a $3000 computer)
PowerMac G4 Cube (cracking acrylic housing, entire case cracked at every seam)
Well this is just a sample of "Old Apple". They make great products but nothing has changed buddy.
Old Apple? Build quality?
I had a PowerBook Duo 210 entry level notebook. Cost even more than MacBook Pro 15". Needed to be repaired at least 4 times, twice out of warranty. Keyboard warped if you looked at it hard. Came with lots of easy-to-break little plastic bits.
Then there were the Apple III's that you needed to drop a few inches every now and then to reseat the chips in their sockets.
The latest stuff has magnitudes better build quality than those things.
Oh come on. We don't need to play that game, do we?
As a matter of fact you and I both know, that every single Mac iteration faces issues. And AFAIR you are one of the first people posting legit in the forums, that these issues are isolated and only affect a little number of customers.
Should we really dig out the Core Duo whine, logic board fries, freezing gfx cards, Whitebook painting and all the other stuff? I won't as those are isolated issues and we don't need to discuss them.
If you really understood what I meant you would've pointed me to the Core i7 27" iMac as a legit machine for me. And I would agree with you that this machine is the only computer left, that is top notch despite the Air.
Or to tell it the other way - I know for sure that my Powerbook runs very hot some times. Given the fact that those lappies are made thinner and the temp specs are pushed up so the fan kicks in later (i.e. the machine is so silent) I personally think that you can not use a MBP for real work on your lap. YMMV. But tell me - can you use a MBP to transcode a video in the background while surfing the web on the couch without frying your eggs? You can barely with a Powerbook so I really doubt it.
I'd imagine they would expect it to continue to work as advertised, and not become so gimped after a period of a few short years.
I generally agree that companies that do "forced obsolescence" in products are ******s, but at the same time I am reminded of "traditional" cellphones.
You know, the ones where you can't get an updated operating system for them? The features the phone comes with are the only ones you will ever have. If you are ever even are blessed enough to have an update for the phone's software, all it does is fix bugs in the last version. If you want some new whizz-bang feature, the only thing to do is buy a new phone.
Just thought I'd remind people that this is how things have historically been. There has never been a promise that came with an iPhone stating you would always be able to use the new features in the next iOS release, or even that there would be another iOS release.
Apple could just as easily send out a press release tomorrow:
Apple today announced that they have declared iOS 4.2 at the "Final Fossil Master" stage. There will be no further features added to the iOS except security and bug fixes. Any new functionality will be available as paid-for apps written by Apple and available on the App Store. "We just felt that iOS is now perfect," Apple CEO Steve Jobs commented. "The operating system isn't supposed to be everything and the kitchen sink on a mobile device, and with the completion of iOS 4.2, we simply feel there is nothing left to add that is needed." All future iOS devices for the foreseeable future will ship with iOS 4.2 and the development team has been reassigned to other departments to make user of their talents on future Apple lifestyle products.
Correct, every Mac iteration faces issues and they are generally isolated of course, but when you were saying (in different words) that "Old Apple" brought out Macs that were problem free or close to it I had to go down that road to bring up the truth because honestly Old Apple isn't much better than new in terms of QC. Most people today using Macs are new to Apple and think that these issues with the Macs of today are something new and they're not, it's just that there are many more Mac users now than before and of course there are more voices of complaint and blogs to spread the negative news than it was when Old Apple existed.
I didn't bring up the Core duo whine nor the yellowing of the iMac because when you mentioned Old Apple I thought we were discussing the PowerPC world, not the Intel Macs.
I know this discussion has gotten way OT but I will say this, Apple has never referred to the Powerbooks, iBooks or Macbooks as laptops, they've always called them Notebooks and for good reason, you're not suppose to do any heavy work while they sit on your lap, they got hot. Besides, why would anyone do any real video editing or encoding with any notebook computer on their lap, it's not a stable surface.
. I love Apple's stuff as much as the next guy but I've been around long enough to know that they have made many mistakes in QC in the past and moving to Intel and to China didn't make much of a dent in their QC.
My iPad is notably slower throughout the system when I'm streaming music to my AirPort Express. I could imagine that the iPhone 3G, which is obviously much less powerful than the iPad, would be quite unusable in that scenario.
Not to mention video streaming...
Not to mention video streaming...
Well, glad we talked about it as it clearly shows that we misunderstood each other. When referring to build quality I wasn't referring to better quality overall. In fact I guess most Macs leave factories without the slightest problem.
I was referring to the fact that 'Old Apple' didn't care about the general industry consensus regarding their machines but rather pushed forward with latest and greatest hardware innovations - though sometimes producing dead-end technology.
Their public image was always surrounded with elitist thinking and not caring about the least common denominator. They always strived to have superior hardware if not even used the best on the market. Heck, a MacPro built to the principles of Old Apple would have had a Blu-Ray, FW3200 and USB 3 bundled with 10GBit Ethernet or better.
And essentially they didn't care to break your more than 3 year old Mac with software. Heck, even the first generation of Intel Macs is already left in the dust - way to treat those loyal customers that helped with the transition.
Yeah, and unfortunately the old Apple's business model didn't lead to many people buying their computer and they almost went out of business. Not to mention it was hard to find any software for the computer because since htey weren't popular, no one made anything for them. What good is having all the latest hardware if there is nothing it will run?
Honestly, being some one who has had macs since the very first one... I prefer now. Sure, it's more expensive if you want to keep up (gotta have more current hardware, though honestly my 3 year old mac can still run today's OS and we'll see about Lion, and I know my 400 GHz G4 can run at least a few versions of OSX), but what I really like Macs for is the OS, and it's nice having options and stuff made for the OS and not be left out of everything. And not worry that I may not even have that choice of OS and be stuck with one I don't really like if I do want to upgradde cause the company is dieing! And honestly, in the short run, Macs are cheaper now. You can at least get a minimal mac for a reasonable price (mac mini). Back even in the 90's (before the cube), I don't think they had a comparable priced model.
Though I honestly do think quality wise they have gone downhill
. My 3 year old Macbook is the first Mac I've had that had problems before 3 years old (several actually) and before that I only ever had one that had problems at 3 years (the non working performa in my sig. It also was the first PowerPC mac and I am one of those that say avoid Apple's first generation stuff and that is one of my reasons why ). The rest of my macs have lasted at least 5 years (my G4 400 GHz still works though I've only used it once recently when the hard drive on that 3 year old macbook died when it was a year old. I know hard drives die but 1 year is ridiculous in my opinion. That G4 still has its original hard drive).
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Maybe if they did not get sued by 3G owners every time something is not flawless, they would get more love
Thanks very much for clearing that up Mr. Windows-loving-Microsoft Apologist.
Looking at your signature, I realize I'm not dealing with a rational thinking person (or else you have an odd sense of humor), so I will only say Mr. Shaw makes a very valid point to those of us that have no allegiance to either Microsoft or Apple. I never really liked Windows, having come from a Commodore Amiga background and resenting Microsoft's questionable business tactics that helped lead to its demise, but I do not like Apple's methods of playing nice in only one direction (help you move from and retain your Windows software, but never allowing virtualization of OSX or installing OSX on anyone else's hardware). Apple clearly does things to artificially make their own hardware obsolete years before it would do so naturally in order to speed up the process of buying new hardware from them.
It is obvious that up until Tiger, many Mac users held onto to pretty old hardware as long as they could. But these days many users don't need faster hardware to do their daily tasks. Gaming has helped keep the frantic run for new hardware going in the Windows world, but let's face it, no one needs 8 CPUs to run Microsoft Office and the OSX market has never been based off gaming. So it seems Apple has taken other measures (not supporting relatively new hardware or at least newer features for older hardware in recent OS releases) in order to try and force new sales regardless. Well, I can tell you that some of us greatly resent that sort of thing. One should entice people to get new hardware, not purposely leave out features that should work for older hardware or just not support it altogether.
One could make an argument for dropping PPC when they did, but it's hard to justify not enabling a feature on a 1.5 year old Mac or dropping support for two year old iPhones or iPod Touches just to try and force the sale of a new version (obviously the batteries on these devices aren't failing soon enough in many cases as the $90+ replacement fee for a new battery was obviously designed to encourage a new iPhone or iPod Touch purchase within a 2 year time frame anyway. Sorry, but my 1st Gen iPod Touch still works almost like new and while I don't expect it to run the latest 3D games, making software 4.x ONLY while having no features to require 4.x is just as lazy/stupid as the same on Snow Leopard versus regular Leopard, but unfortunately, Apple makes it all too easy to create such software and encourage it since it means that many more new hardware sales for them (assuming you don't get so tired of it that you dump all your software to switch platforms entirely).
My signature speaks the truth and is not some sort of joke or sarcasm. How is it not thinking rationally? Are you giving credit to people that call others "Fanboys and Trolls"? If you do then I'm certainly not the one with irrational thinking. I like how you personally judged me based on what is in my signature? Let's keep the discussion in tact and not make this personal shall we? Remember I didn't attack you.
I beg to differ. Aidenshaw's post spoke full allegiance to Microsoft. He certainly was defending them and preaching how well they've made strides in the business. If I went to a Windows forum and said all those amazing things about Apple I'd be called an Apologist, a Fanboy and be accused of drinking the Kool-Aid, so what reply would you expect from me after what he wrote about Microsoft on a Mac forum?
Unfortunately Apple today would be right where they were back in the day with their superior hardware, nowhere. I've been using Macs exclusively for 14 years but the software thing was always an issue as Windows became more "popular" and Microsoft started sabotaging Apple's game plan. Apple moving to Intel and catering to the masses not only has helped them of course, but they've offered quite a bit more for their customers buying today then they did back then just because they moved on. Had they not moved on their customers would be with limited software choice and overly expensive hardware. For them to make the Macbook Air for $999 and still offer a quality product just shows they are offering what the customer needs and wants and for a price they can afford. How is that a step backwards?
Could you explain exactly why you think the first Intel Macs (from 2006, 5 YEARS AGO, BTW) are "left in the dust"? Can you not run Snow Leopard on them? Can you not install Windows on them? Can you not use an iPhone 4 with them? Can you not run the same peripherals on them as you can on the latest Macs? To my knowledge the answer is no, so please explain?
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I beg to differ. Aidenshaw's post spoke full allegiance to Microsoft. He certainly was defending them and preaching how well they've made strides in the business. If I went to a Windows forum and said all those amazing things about Apple I'd be called an Apologist, a Fanboy and be accused of drinking the Kool-Aid, so what reply would you expect from me after what he wrote about Microsoft on a Mac forum?
I'd expect a reply that didn't break forum rules, for one.
Microsoft's support for older systems is one of their advantages, and your claim that Windows hasn't changed since Win2K was absurd. Just because software written for Win2K still runs on Win7, doesn't mean that the internals are the same.
Heck - I can still run most 16-bit DOS and Windows 3.1 applications on my Windows 7 x86 systems! That doesn't mean that the kernel is still MS-DOS.
This will be undoubtedly be my last post in regards to this OT subject but I don't see anywhere in my posts that forum rules were broken. If calling you an apologist for Microsoft is against forum rules then being called a fanboy should be too, but it's not.
I have iOS 4.2 GM installed on my iPhone 3G. 4.2 is fine, better than 4.0, but the snappiness of 3.1.3 probably will never return. Anyhow, I have the "screen & arrow" icon now replacing the usual Bluetooth icon next to the volume slider in the iPod app. Is that icon synonymous with AirPlay? I don't have a Apple TV or any good friends with one to test it against to see if AirPlay functionality is here. All I know is that I never had that icon or those options before and now they're there.
Just looking for some clarification. Again, I know this is a noobish question and understand I'm running a "two-year-old device." I'm a college kid with a job. I don't have a lot of time to read anything and everything about the iPhone and I'm not made out of money yet and can't cop the latest and greatest whenever I want during a recession when I'm providing for myself. Just thought I'd throw that out there before someone would like to make an unnecessary chide.
Thanks, yall!
Just looking for some clarification. Again, I know this is a noobish question and understand I'm running a "two-year-old device." I'm a college kid with a job. I don't have a lot of time to read anything and everything about the iPhone and I'm not made out of money yet and can't cop the latest and greatest whenever I want during a recession when I'm providing for myself. Just thought I'd throw that out there before someone would like to make an unnecessary chide.
Thanks, yall!