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How dare the Wall Street Journal want paying for their work. Because, clearly, all their staff work for free.

If they want money for their work, they should stick to their paper magazine rather than publishing to the web which was intended to be about the free dissemination of information.
 
Apple might even sell replacement buds individually, and a savvy AirPod user could have 3 buds they rotate every 3 hours so a pair is fully charged at all times.
Interesting strategy for the continuous earbud user. Though with a 5 hour battery life, they'd have to be rotated every 2.5 hours.


If they want money for their work, they should stick to their paper magazine rather than publishing to the web which was intended to be about the free dissemination of information.
Tell that to Amazon.
 
They are not 'only human', they used to be the world most innovative company before google Microsoft and even Amazon gave them a run for their money. Beyond airpods, this indicates a seniors 'aging' company trouble, one that's clearly losing its touch.

The financial implications if this are huge too, they missed their best selling quarter

I think a part of what you say may be true, but I don't see anyone coming close to Apple in innovation except in the minds of some users and a very biased media that sets different standards for Apple and everyone else. It's like the C student who gets a B gets kudos while the A student who gets a B is reprimanded.

The glowing Pixel reviews is a perfect example of that... Imagine if Apple released the Pixel with its unimaginative design, no stereo speakers, lack of water-resistant design, no 3D Touch, no Taptic Engine, no secure enclave, much slower performance, etc. and priced it the same as the iPhone 6s and called it the iPhone 7?

Over the last 5 years, Apple has introduced some pretty amazing tech: Apple Pay, Touch ID, Force Touch Trackpad, Apple Pencil, 3D Touch, Taptic Engine, AirPods, W/A/M chips, HomeKit, Research Kit, CarPlay, Apple Watch, ATV4, Hand Off/Continuity, Swift, etc. Users and the media just need to put it into perspective and stop expecting Apple to revolutionize industries with every keynote.
 
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If they want money for their work, they should stick to their paper magazine rather than publishing to the web which was intended to be about the free dissemination of information.

Eh, NO!
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So Apple made their agenda clear -- wireless is the future ... "Apple had to release this product with the removal of the headphone jack to demonstrate that wireless was indeed the future"

Dumbest statement that sounds oh so smart, a Drumpf worthy post!
 
Bluetooth is packetized data, so the devices have to receive, parse, and act on the data they receive. I don't think bluetooth audio works like an FM radio. Your intuition is right that it doesn't make physical sense, but in this case it's not a matter of analog signal processing :)

With packets of data it's not easy to make the end result of that process happen at the same time. That said, if anyone could do this, it would be Apple an it's absurd that they didn't account for the fact that this would be challenging. It's embarrassing for them, they've done relatively harder things in the past it seems.

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That's why all such systems have buffering before DAC, which introduces latency and usually a lip sync issue unless it's compensated properly on the phone side, so you only need to synchronize playback down to few microseconds to avoid phasing issues, which should be quite trivial for Apple to implement. In Bluetooth there are separate profiles for playing audio vs making phone calls, last time I checked reviews of all true wireless headphones such as Bragi, Android-only Samsung's IconX and so forth nobody complained about problems with audio sync - which confirms the theory that audio sync is a trivial thing - but lots of people complained that phone call audio on all those headphones comes out only from one bud so that it acts like a mono headset. So apparently nobody was able to crack that one yet, and makes me wonder if this alleged sync issue has something to do with Apple trying to solve this for phone calls rather than having a generic sync issue - like the half-brained source of this stupid rumor is implying. I'm also wondering about motivation of the people who leak this kind of stuff - they either get paid some bread crumbs by the media, which means they are willing to sacrifice their low-paying job at Apple in case they are tracked down and fired, and/or they are too low in the food chain over there that access to any scientificantly sounding mumbo-jumbo is an opportunity for them to shine by reiterating it in front of non-technical audience and stroke their ego. In either case they don't seem to be qualified to interpret the information they got access to and leaked, and the rumors have no technical credibility whatsoever. Watching too much "Snowden" apparently.
 
So Apple is announcing product releases before they've even completed the design and engineering phase?

While I'm definitely not defending the path Apple has gone down since Tim took over, that's exactly what they did with the iPhone. It wasn't even really functional when Steve unveiled it.
 
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Hope not too many people fall for this scam, and shell out their money to beta test these things until Apple really figures this stuff out, and puts out a revised version.
 
Well, at least Apple caught this before releasing the earphones. We can't complain when they release buggy hardware and then complain when there is delay in release to sort out bugs.

However, this rumour seems a little implausible. I presume there is some sort of buffering, in which case the issue is simultaneous playback, not reception. Radio waves travel rather fast, even in air, and the distance between AirPods in minimal when that speed is taken into account.
 
I usually make it a point not to respond to original posts like yours, with open ended general pleas for explanations, and I'm reposting the entire thread of responses from you as a reason why -- it escalated quickly to reveal you apparently were just looking for a reason to climb on your soapbox and make your point in a dismissive and demeaning way to others. And it's all here in black and white.

That said, let me point out why you're wrong -- BT is not popular with many people for several major reasons:

1) it's difficult to use, mostly revolving around pairing issues
2) it suffers from reliability issues like dropouts and lag
3) they tend to be bulky, with cables linking earbuds, etc.
4) battery life tends to be limited, and unpredictable, especially on more portable models
5) they tend to be expensive
6) there tends to be a lot of low quality offerings in the low-end of the price spectrum that have turned people off
7) they offer lower quality audio than wired alternatives

In removing the headphone jack, Apple needed to offer an alternative to ameliorate the removal of the headphone jack, about which Apple was on the defensive from the moment they took the stage, and offered little legitimate support for doing. Yes Apple offered an adapter to continue using the old 3.5mm headphones -- while that mitigates the decision somewhat, it was more akin to pouring salt into the wound. Then they bundle Lightning EarPods with it, which could have been a huge positive, but the fact they can't be used with anything else -- in particular a Mac -- makes them less than an optimal replacement for the headphone jack.

So Apple made their agenda clear -- wireless is the future. Not only that, but they tell us they understand that BT is a "bag of hurt" to use a phrase Steve Jobs once applied to another popular problematic technology for Apple. In response they give us AirPods which solves 6 out of the 7 issues most people have with BT:

1) Ridiculously simplified pairing between Apple devices
2) No more dropouts or lag
3) ultra slim and compact design
4) Apple offers the longest battery life available for such a tiny device, with quick charge boosts offering 3 hours for every 15 minutes, up to 24 more hours. It also offers single pod use thus extending mono listening up to 53 more hours, without interruption.
5) For the technology offered they are somewhat reasonably priced.
6) Apple is a trusted name in quality, and has produced a product specifically designed to work with the iPhone 7

So regardless of your obvious bias here, Apple had to release this product with the removal of the headphone jack to demonstrate that wireless was indeed the future, since the existing BT market is generally not good enough to satisfy the many potential customers who have tried BT and had a bad experience and rejected it, or are confused by the offerings and limitations, or frustrated by the limitations of power, reliability, and complications of pairing. Not to mention their paucity of support for Lightning options. The AirPods are a huge step forward. The Beats offerings are likewise important -- though the only two currently available come with the added inconvenience of using micro-USB connections rather than Lightning, not to mention added bulk and expense over standard earbuds. And since Apple couldn't really address the audio quality issues and cost at this juncture, they offered an alternative via the inexpensive adapter, or Lightning (albeit limited).

Since I completely disagree with your position and the manner in which you presented it, I won't respond further to you, as this is clear and definitive refutation of your simplistic viewpoint.



You realize that 15 min. of charging gets you an additional 3 hours of use? If you are listening to your EarPods for more than 5 hours straight without interruption, and can't even take a 15 min. break, then suffice it to say, Apple is not considering you a primary target for the AirPods. Even the most diehard music lover can take 15 min to go to the bathroom without listening to music every 3 hours. The Airpods also allow mono use, which means that you could charge one Airpod at a time for 15 min. each and keep listening to your audio program in mono. heck, Apple might even sell replacement buds individually, and a savvy AirPod user could have 3 buds they rotate every 3 hours so a pair is fully charged at all times.

First, for their size, no other earbuds I've seen introduced so far comes close to offering that kind of battery life. If the AirPod's really don't fit your lifestyle, there are several other options like the PowerBeats 3, and Beats Studio 3, the latter of which gives you 40 hours on one charge.



Doubtful. All rumors point to Apple moving towards wireless charging, removing all ports from the iPhone. USB-C doesn't offer anything for the iPhone that Lightning can't already do better or as efficiently. Lightning will persist until Apple goes port-less, thus sparing their customers another massive transition form one technology to another, which based on rumor is likely only going to persist for another year or two. They also spare them the pain of trying to find a USB-C out in the wild. Maybe in two years USB-C will be a more widespread, but by that time Apple will likely have no need for it on a the iPhone.
Now that's a good explanation with some very sound points I hadn't considered. I hadn't really had any issues with my bluetooth experiences, but I see that others have.

For what it's worth, I'm sorry that I was ill mannered to the individual I argued with.
 
I was hoping it would make it so the battery would last more than 5 hrs! I actually like Earbuds, it's the only headphones that doesn't hurt my ears after an hr of use. So I was looking forward to getting this until they said the stupid things only get 5 hrs. Why even bother?
8 hours with the charging case

Should be enough for most throughout a day
 
Actually, it's more like IBM couldn't deliver at the price Apple was willing to pay.

Go take a look at the Power9 CPUs.

False. IBM promised a G5 at 3.0GHz one year after the 2.0 shipped, and completely failed to deliver.

Here's some history you can brush up on: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Apple/3GHz-PowerPC-G5-Eludes-IBM

Can you post a link to Jobs' public comments on not meeting the 3GHz mark? I seem to remember him flushing it down the memory hole.
 
You won't find many bigger Apple fans than me, but I'm also realistic and I'm not going to defend them against any and all criticism. I'm not looking for the "next big thing" from them at this point but they seem to be unable to even keep up. They're WAY behind on AI, after blowing a years-long lead with Siri. They still haven't managed to release a TV service that has been rumored for years. The new TV app had a lot of promise but it is unfortunately useless at this point. They talked up Single Sign-On as a tvOS feature for a year, didn't release it with 10.0 like they were supposed to, and now that it is actually released 99% of people can't even use it because it has essentially zero support. They have no answer for the Echo or Google Home. They haven't shown off anything in the VR/AR space. Their mobile camera tech is quickly falling way behind competitors...I could go on. I've loved Apple since high school, I exclusively use their products, I used to work at an Apple Store and I have been one of their biggest supporters, but even I'm finding it harder and harder to defend them.

I appreciate where you're coming from, but I'd argue that there have been many years like that at Apple, where they didn't release anything exciting and even "fell behind" others in the market. I'm not worried about many of the things you mentioned. Apple has never been one to throw **** against the wall and see what sticks, so I appreciate that they haven't jumped into AR/VR, for example. If anything, I think they are too unfocused now as is, trying to make the Watch happen and launching a variety of services.

I can excuse not releasing an AR/VR product, not having an Echo competitor, limping along in the TV department (after all, they can't wave a magic wand and make everyone cooperate...the landscape was much different when they revolutionized music)...

But I CANNOT excuse neglecting the Mac! Sure, there are a lot of newbie Apple fans who came to love Apple through the iPhone, but these are not people who have supported the company for multiple decades, who have served as evangelists and tech support gurus within their communities, and who have kept Apple in business during lean years when the competition had eclipsed them in many respects.

Apple is foolish to neglect the Mac. The new MacBooks are weak. The Mac Pro was questionable three years ago and it's pathetic today. The Surface Studio BLOWS the iMac away. It feels like Apple is intentionally allowing the Mac to wither on the vine and I think this will come back to haunt them. Mac users, not iPhone fans, are Apple's core evangelists. The tech industry is littered with the remains of consumer electronic companies that were bested by a competitor. Apple's resilience was entirely due to the passion of Mac users. If we go away, how long until someone comes along with a better iPhone and Apple is the next Blackberry?
 
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That's why all such systems have buffering before DAC, which introduces latency and usually a lip sync issue unless it's compensated properly on the phone side, so you only need to synchronize playback down to few microseconds to avoid phasing issues, which should be quite trivial for Apple to implement. In Bluetooth there are separate profiles for playing audio vs making phone calls, last time I checked reviews of all true wireless headphones such as Bragi, Android-only Samsung's IconX and so forth nobody complained about problems with audio sync - which confirms the theory that audio sync is a trivial thing - but lots of people complained that phone call audio on all those headphones comes out only from one bud so that it acts like a mono headset. So apparently nobody was able to crack that one yet, and makes me wonder if this alleged sync issue has something to do with Apple trying to solve this for phone calls rather than having a generic sync issue - like the half-brained source of this stupid rumor is implying. I'm also wondering about motivation of the people who leak this kind of stuff - they either get paid some bread crumbs by the media, which means they are willing to sacrifice their low-paying job at Apple in case they are tracked down and fired, and/or they are too low in the food chain over there that access to any scientificantly sounding mumbo-jumbo is an opportunity for them to shine by reiterating it in front of non-technical audience and stroke their ego. In either case they don't seem to be qualified to interpret the information they got access to and leaked, and the rumors have no technical credibility whatsoever. Watching too much "Snowden" apparently.


Apple is touting the w1 chip and showing some pairing that's pretty sophisticated. Presumably their wireless protocol is a superset of Bluetooth or something else with Bluetooth protocol as a fallback.

With that in mind, do you think Apple could have gotten themselves into a situation where there isn't a playbook out there for the syncing? That my guess.
 
Kept a USB floppy drive in a drawer for the infrequent occasions I needed to retrieve an old file because, by the time Apple dropped the floppy, it was an obsolete format that had long been too low capacity and slow to be useful.

In fact, Apple didn't just drop it overnight - it was first made optional in the PowerBooks that, at the time, had two interchangeable floppy/CD/battery modules. The iMac came later.

Meanwhile, many people have expensive and perfectly good headphones with 3.5mm jacks - that can incidentally be used with the inflight entertainment on planes - not to mention the issue of plugging your phone into a hifi while it's on charge. Even my Bluetooth cans can use a 3.5mm lead if they run out of battery.

Ok, carrying an adapter isn't the end of the world, but it's another thing to drop and lose and there's no huge advantage to using lightning - unless you have magical golden ears that can detect the extra 3' of cable between the DAC and the phones (in which case I'm sure Monster have a $200 consecrated copper digital audio cable with your name on it).

Yes, floppies were something of an obsolete format. My point was simply that when they were removed, some people were inconvenienced and needed to buy new hardware. For most people, it was a non-issue.

Just like removing the headphone jack is an inconvenience for some, but a non-issue for most. I wager that most people use the headphones that come with their iPhone. That is my experience anywhere I go. I rarely see someone not using the bundled white headphones. When I do see such people, their headphones are almost always Bluetooth.

How often do you charge your phone and listen on headphones? I'm sure a handful of people do this occasionally. Are they enough a reason to keep the jack? I don't think so.

It all comes down to whether or not you believe Apple when they said that the headphone jack was removed in order to accommodate other hardware. If you think this is a lie and it is really some nefarious plot to sell Bluetooth headphones, I can't argue with that. I just disagree. Otherwise I think we need to look at it for what it is, an occasional, minor inconvenience at best. And the AirPods delay isn't some giant catastrophe worthy of Tim Cook's resignation. It's a (small) bump in the road.
 
When everyone drops their headphone jack and most phones and devices on earth use USB-C, Apple will have to cave and support USB-C on iOS devices. Which seems like common sense.

If people are using wireless headphones by then, it won't matter what port the iPhone has. Heck, it won't even matter whether it even has a port or not.
 
As for headphones, the raison d'etre is audio. I read conflicting arguments, but one thing is certain: there is no way that a good bluetooth audio device will surpass in audio quality an equally good wired device. At most, they will be identical. Therefore, the raison d'etre of wired headphones is not obsolete and won't be for a while. Now, we can find in the lack of wires a good reason for BT headphones. Again, I give you that not having wires for most people is a nice comfort and something with some value. But it's definitely not courage and not a reason for removing headphone jacks, until at least the BT solution is ready for prime time and at an affordable price. It's a much different story than Floppy drives.

The raison d'etre for headphones is audio convenience NOT quality. For a small niche market, quality is the driver. No argument. For the majority of headphone users, however, it's about convenience. They're listening on the subway, at the gym, while cleaning the house, when they're out for a run, etc. They are listening to audio that is anything but top quality in origin (ie: Apple Music) unless, of course, they are a purist, only use lossless audio, rip it themselves, and probably don't use an iPhone anyway but rather some purist audio player that has the world's greatest DAC.

Again, NOTHING prevents you from using your existing wired headphones with an iPhone 7. Apple gives you an adapter and the problem is solved. Lose it or need a second one for the office or the gym bag? $10. Big deal.

Apple says they removed the headphone jack to accommodate other hardware. Do you believe this to be an outright lie? Because your extreme view seems grounded in the idea that Apple somehow removed the headphone jack to sell AirPods and they now deserve to be crucified because AirPods are late. I find that point of view borderline absurd.

I think Apple made a compromise. They know wireless headphones are the future. I'm sure they crunched the numbers on high-end wireless vs. wired headphone sales. They know most people use the headphones that come with the iPhone. They wanted to get legacy hardware out of the device and use that space for other things. So they weighed out the pros and cons and decided the headphone jack was unnecessary. I don't see anything more here than a mildly controversial design decision.
 
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There is a point being missed in this thread however, excuse me if I missed it. The same technology that is being utilized in the Made-for-iPhone hearing aids is what's being used with the W1 chip. I am a user of these hearing aids. There is an issue that Apple has been working on for quite some time and it deals with the problem where the bluetooth signal, if not able to reach the W1 causes both side to corrupt. This is the problem that they working on within iOS 10.2 beta. Version 7 of this beta has cleared up the issue almost 100% but it still needs work. I assume we will see a new beta version coming out any time now. I know they will fix the issue. They're almost there now.
 
If people are using wireless headphones by then, it won't matter what port the iPhone has. Heck, it won't even matter whether it even has a port or not.
Wireless headphones have crap audio quality.I would rather carry a dongle around then use them.Also do you realise the Bluetooth battery drain I would have on connecting both the Watch and the headphones ?
 
As for headphones, the raison d'etre is audio. I read conflicting arguments, but one thing is certain: there is no way that a good bluetooth audio device will surpass in audio quality an equally good wired device. At most, they will be identical. Therefore, the raison d'etre of wired headphones is not obsolete and won't be for a while. Now, we can find in the lack of wires a good reason for BT headphones. Again, I give you that not having wires for most people is a nice comfort and something with some value. But it's definitely not courage and not a reason for removing headphone jacks, until at least the BT solution is ready for prime time and at an affordable price. It's a much different story than Floppy drives.
When the first iPhone was released, critics pointed out how a physical keyboard was superior for typing compared to a software keyboard. They were absolutely right (and are probably still right today), and it turned out not to matter to the people actually using them, because the benefits of having a virtual keyboard which could be dismissed for more screen space was simply greater than having a dedicated keyboard.

Same here. You are probably right in that the sound quality from wired headphones will always be superior to a pair of wireless headphones in the same price point. However, there may come a point where consumers are largely indifferent to further improvements in the sound quality of headphones because they find it "good enough", and as such are willing to sacrifice added sound quality for other conveniences such as wireless connectivity. Or they might prize the convenience of not having to contend with wires enough that they don't mind sacrificing sound quality for it.

Yes, there will always be a group of audiophiles who will prize sound quality over everything else (just as there are still people who swear by vinyl records), but I believe they are few and far in between.

The trick here will be focusing on the benefits of wireless headphones and making consumers want and value these benefits enough such that they want to use them over wired headphones, regardless of what benefits the latter may offer.
 
Wireless headphones have crap audio quality.I would rather carry a dongle around then use them.Also do you realise the Bluetooth battery drain I would have on connecting both the Watch and the headphones ?

Overstating the issue. I use some premium bluetooth headsets along with a watch. Battery life is fine. The convenience is awesome. I love not having wires dangling from my head.
 
Apple is touting the w1 chip and showing some pairing that's pretty sophisticated. Presumably their wireless protocol is a superset of Bluetooth or something else with Bluetooth protocol as a fallback.

With that in mind, do you think Apple could have gotten themselves into a situation where there isn't a playbook out there for the syncing? That my guess.

Apple is famous for eat-your-dog-food so I doubt they would release something they would not be comfortable using themselves.
 
Need to make sure that the wireless stereo headset actually works in stereo? Isnt this like basic engineering stuff that you make sure of.....before you go ahead and remove the perfectly functional wired stereo jack from your smartphones?
 
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