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Disagree. The influence of a CEO remains for some years after their departure. We are only now feeling the ramifications of the loss of Steve Jobs influence on the company direction and choices. The era of Steve Jobs did not cease immediately on his sad departure. Check your history.

That wasn't my point. Some individuals correlate Jobs with everything Apple does today. Literally everything. I understand Jobs DNA runs deep in Apple and respectfully always should. But Jobs is gone and reclaiming his name every single time Apple has a shortcoming is absurd and asinine. Claiming what Jobs could have or should have done is disrespectful, because no one on this forum or employed at Apple could predict his outcomes.

It has nothing to do with history, it's knowing your source. And no one here knew Jobs. Period.
 
Weird that they announced the delay at the last minute considering they were so far from being ready to ship. Surely they knew way before?

Bingo, they did know before. They had to show something at the iPhone 7 event to cover for the headphone jack removal. They knew then that the thing wouldn't ship en masse 6 weeks later, it would have already been on the verge of mass production in September. The narrative that Apple is "waiting to make sure the product is ready before shipping" is a false one, because they knew it wasn't ready before hyping it. They never intended to release in "late October."

My excitement for these has seriously waned given Apple's shady way of presenting the release date. If it's not ready to ship soon, don't promote it Apple! If they had announced a ship date of January 2017 back in September, they would have rightfully been raked over the coals. Whats happened since is their obfuscation dance to difuse criticism for failing to deliver a very important complementary product to the iPhone 7 at launch. 2 months delay and counting..
 
Bingo, they did know before. They had to show something at the iPhone 7 event to cover for the headphone jack removal. They knew then that the thing wouldn't ship en masse 6 weeks later, it would have already been on the verge of mass production in September. The narrative that Apple is "waiting to make sure the product is ready before shipping" is a false one, because they knew it wasn't ready before hyping it. They never intended to release in "late October."

My excitement for these has seriously waned given Apple's shady way of presenting the release date. If it's not ready to ship soon, don't promote it Apple! If they had announced a ship date of January 2017 back in September, they would have rightfully been raked over the coals. Whats happened since is their obfuscation dance to difuse criticism for failing to deliver a very important complementary product to the iPhone 7 at launch. 2 months delay and counting..

See. This is the second time you posted something where you have no substantiation on how you know this was intended as a smoke screen from Apple.

Show me or provide some concrete evidence depicting how you know Apple intended the Airpods would not release in late October. There could be a 100 reasons why they were delayed and every one of those 100 reasons specified on this forum are anecdotal.

Now, if anything, Apple should and could have provided the customer an apology in the least, being they did state a projected a late October release. That doesn't mean Apple owes an explanation as to why the Airpods were delayed. I am also disappointed in this launch, but that doesn't mean you have the answer as to why.

It's not what you know, it's what you can prove. And only Apple knows.
 
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Well, yes, they would buy bluetooth headsets but I dont see why they will need to go for Apple Airpods. At the same price range they have other manufacturers who excel in Audio Headsets.

True there are numerous competitors, but in marketing there are two market possibilities: stagnant and growing market size. With a competitive product launched into either, it is likely that product will take some share just because it is there.

If we consider here the market to be all non-Apple Bluetooth equipped PC's and mobile devices, then it follows that AirPods will take some market share just because they exist. The sustainability of that share will depend on how good a rep the develop.
 
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I went ahead and bought the Amps Air from Sol Republic, gotta say, they sound amazing.... only reason I didn't hold out for AirPods was due to them sounding the same as the inbox EarPods... I was hoping maybe they sounded better.

Amps air is definitely intriguing. Besides Airpods, that's the only alternative I am interested in. However, I suspect the microphone on that might not be that great, and no W1 of course. But the case doubling up as a power bank for the phone is clever!
 
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Bingo, they did know before. They had to show something at the iPhone 7 event to cover for the headphone jack removal. They knew then that the thing wouldn't ship en masse 6 weeks later, it would have already been on the verge of mass production in September. The narrative that Apple is "waiting to make sure the product is ready before shipping" is a false one, because they knew it wasn't ready before hyping it. They never intended to release in "late October."

My excitement for these has seriously waned given Apple's shady way of presenting the release date. If it's not ready to ship soon, don't promote it Apple! If they had announced a ship date of January 2017 back in September, they would have rightfully been raked over the coals. Whats happened since is their obfuscation dance to difuse criticism for failing to deliver a very important complementary product to the iPhone 7 at launch. 2 months delay and counting..

You do know there are plenty of bluetooth headphones already available? In no way was Apple obliged to produce their own. The phone COMES WITH headphones that work perfectly with it. Anyone wanting wireless probably has them and they'll be fine too. And anyone miffed at losing the headphone jack is, I imagine, not the sort to be appeased by these with the price tag they have.
 
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Yeah because their are a billion Apple iPhone users in the planet...one out of every seven people on the planet owns and uses an Apple device....
This is a new wireless game.

If only 1% of iPhone users buy the Airpods, then the 10M would be acceptable for the first year.

I believe that the W1 chip, jump started over the BT 5 technology, could pick up momentum in the subsequent 5 years to about 10% of iPhone users, or 50M Airpods.

Even better, if Apple starts to roll the Airpods out with each iPhone, once the production ramps up.

This may partially explain buying the Beats line, to get a quick foothold on this market.

 
Here comes the "Steve Jobs" comments, where he has zero influence on something we don't even know why they were delayed to begin with. Misfortunes happened under Steve too. But I'm sure it's easier using him as leverage for posts like this.

Sure, but Jobs got an "earfull" when it happened too, esp. the white iPhone 4 and "Antenna-gate." The difference is, on balance, Apple products under Jobs were exciting and reasonably solid. Under Cook we have an underwhelming Siri, incomplete Homekit, Google Maps that was canned at a time when Maps felt like it was still in alpha, chaos with Apple Store senior executive management, the seeming death of the Mac Pro, the seeming neutering of the MacBook Pro, lower sales in every hardware category, increased pricing in many products for no reason other than to raise prices, flubed iMac 27" intro. AW that "sold out" 1 second after it went on sale -- litterally. That's just at the top of my head. Imagine if that was Steve Job's record.
 
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Amps air is definitely intriguing. Besides Airpods, that's the only alternative I am interested in. However, I suspect the microphone on that might not be that great, and no W1 of course. But the case doubling up as a power bank for the phone is clever!

From what I've read, W1 isn't as seamless as the keynote would have you believe. Apparently, you still have to go in and select whatever it is you want connected. The Amps Air turn on as soon as you remove them from the case so it pairs instantly with my phone.
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Bingo, they did know before. They had to show something at the iPhone 7 event to cover for the headphone jack removal. They knew then that the thing wouldn't ship en masse 6 weeks later, it would have already been on the verge of mass production in September. The narrative that Apple is "waiting to make sure the product is ready before shipping" is a false one, because they knew it wasn't ready before hyping it. They never intended to release in "late October."

My excitement for these has seriously waned given Apple's shady way of presenting the release date. If it's not ready to ship soon, don't promote it Apple! If they had announced a ship date of January 2017 back in September, they would have rightfully been raked over the coals. Whats happened since is their obfuscation dance to difuse criticism for failing to deliver a very important complementary product to the iPhone 7 at launch. 2 months delay and counting..


While I don't necessarily agree with you on Apple lying about it, I am disappointed with how long it's taking. Airpods should have launched with the iPhone 7, end of story.
 
I think your superiority complex is over-whelming you. Being you suggested I skipped over your previous messages, involved with the other forum member you were originally quoted on. Listed below are my qualms with your post(s).

Can you cut the BS?

1. Inline controls-If you're referring to actual physical controls, then no, these rely strictly On Siri or the iPhone. Perhaps through future software updates, the controls could be controlled through different taps, in the same manner you would activate Siri.

There is no reason to believe Apple is going to bring new features via software updates. Having to rely on voice commands to control your audio is simply terrible. Period.


2. "Allegedly sound just a touch better than the ones Apple gives away with the iPhone." -

This statement is Anecdotal at best. Another forum member on Macrumors, @LVdustin had the opportunity to test the Airpods and stated the sound was far better than the wired EarPods. Also, if you search for his posts, he also displays a picture that he has them in his possession.

That being said, please provide a source for where these sound "Just a touch better." I would be interesting in reading where it states this or who stated this.

I've watched every single AirPods review on YouTube. I've also read all the major ones (which are in fairness brief reviews of pre-production models). In no review on YouTube or online did anyone state these sound amazing. Essentially they range between 'they sound like the earpods that come with the iPhone' to 'they do sound better but it's not amazing'. My safe guess is that the AirPods cannot compete with the audio quality provided by top of the line wireless headphones by JayBirds, Bose, JLab, Beats, and the rest, that fall in the same price range.


3. Hard plastic in your ear- Yes, we all know these are plastic. It's not a surprise. Some and myself included, find the wired EarPods are very comfortable, being every one is different. So what's your point besides these are made of plastic? That their they are uncomfortable? If you don't like "Hard plastic", then don't buy them. Otherwise, I'm confident these will still sell well, regardless of this irrelevant "Hard plastic" point.

Fit and sales are two totally different matters. If you can deal with previous hard plastic headphones, then God bless you. It's a very common complaint that hard plastic earbuds simply do not feel good in your ear over time. Ever notice that just about every wireless headphone is comprised of tips that are either silicone or foam? There are two obvious reasons for that. 1. They simply feel more comfortable in your ears. And 2. They block out sound. Something the AirPods don't address.

Do I think the AirPods will sell well? I think there is an audience that needs wireless headphones for activities that won't make you sweat hard or at all. And these headphones are made by Apple. So yes, I expect customers will be excited at first. Let's see how the reviews pan out and how customers feel about no inline controls before declaring these are for sure a hit. I'm skeptical in the long run. Perhaps if a future AirPod model can also let you control volume and tracks through gestures then yes, I'd be more optimistic about their success.


As far as the water/sweat resistance, I think it's fair to say these will hold well with sweat, being I use the Earpods for working out and never had an issue with sweat. Water resistance is another story Yes, I understand these have not been specifically rated, at least from my studies.

Consider yourself lucky. It's common sense that headphones that offer no protection towards sweat or water are going to be in danger of damage during use of activity. It's the very reason all the major wireless players make a point to make their wireless headphones possess these features. Notice how Apple doesn't show someone working out with these things on their product page? There is a reason for that. If sweat damages your AirPods you are SOL. The competition offers you peace of mind. I want that when I'm working out 5 days a week and sweating through my time at the gym.


Lastly, this is a forum full of internet strangers discussing tech. None of these forum members are my "Friends." And no, nothing is ironic about your previous post or this one for that matter.

It is ironic in that you state the forum member debunked everything when in reality they did not and in fact straight up tried to tell me that their AirPods are water and sweat resistant. Did you even bother to read that part? So yes, it's ironic that you cheer on a fellow member that just spews out falsehoods to build his argument against me.
 
For people with limited memory, under Steve Jobs, Apple previewed a new feature called "notifications" in the iOS 2, then iPhone OS 2, keynote. The feature was noticeably absent when the next iPhone & OS were released and wasn't available until iPhone OS 3 was released, a year later.

Apple has a history of this & when they do it, they don't say anything about it either. As someone else said, the white iPhone 4 was previewed at iPhone 4 event & wasn't for sale until 6 (?) months after the initial launch.
 
Did they realise only on the 27th morning that they couldn't?

I would hope not. But they must've realized somewhat close to the 27th. They promised an October release date all the way up until that week. Considering how much Apple marketed these things, and the demand for wireless headphones after axing the headphone jack, it's an embarrassing blunder that they wouldn't have taken lightly. My best guess is that they tried to work their asses of until the end (meaning until at least the beginning of that week) and just fell short anyway. Maybe I'm putting too much faith in Apple. I agree with others in saying that the Airpods -or some equivalent wireless solution- should've been ready on day 1 of the phone's release.
 
You must have skipped the part where I replied to all his replies. I'm not wrong about a single thing. In fact your friend literally said a falsehood in that the AirPods possess any resistance to sweat or water. Ironic huh?

Being I don't want to hijack this thread with arguing semantics with you any further, I will make my Final points regarding the Airpods and leave at that.

It's your opinion regarding the Airpod inline controls. You say it's terrible, others may disagree. It is what is. And we don't know if Apple can or will expand on the controls through software updates or not. It was a thought, not a certainty. But the user is aware these are how the Airpods are controlled through. If you don't like the control options, then don't purchase them. It's Apple's proprietary product.

I think Apple's point of execution with the Airpods is eliminating the wires and providing the user with the experience of a product that can be used between your Apple devices, hence the W1 Chip. No, the sound will not be that of what Bose or Jaybirds can provide. Again, I haven't tested the Airpods, but the consensus seems to be fairly positive.

You mentioned it was a 'Safe Guess' the Airpods wouldn't compete with Bose or Jaybirds, again, I don't believe Apple is trying to compete with them in this market. I believe Apple is providing the user with the option of integrating the Airpods with the iPhone for a seamless experience, similar to the Apple Watch. If you re-watch the KeyNote, you will notice Apple never really empathized the Airpods surrounding the sound quality. It was More of an emphasis of what the Airpods can do and how the pair seamless with the iPhone/Apple devices.

I think where Apple really shines with the Airpods is through the charging capabilities. The compact carry Go charging case coupled with five hour rated battery life is fairly good for a first Gen product. 15 minutes of charging provides 3 hours of battery life. Also, the motion detecting sensors is convenient to know when the Airpods are in your ear.

The hard plastic is how they are. They suit my comfortability fine. But that's ME. I have high end Bose earbuds with silicone tips, which are comfortable. But I want a product that serves convenience and produces the expectation it can expand. As long as the Airpods are comfortable and convenient (Which includes staying in my ear with adequate battery life). Then that's all I can ask for.

Which leads me To my last point. This is a first Gen Product and it's likely to expand with water resistance and other options. Based off reading your posts and previous messages, you seem to have these expectations that Apple should be releasing a product that meets ALL your needs. When in fact, it's a product that isn't even released yet. That doesn't mean Apple can't expand beyond its current capabilities.

Obviously this isn't a product for you. Others, like myself, are looking forward to the release. They may be ugly, but I could care less.

I still think your previous messages are nothing more than anecdotal claims aside from water resistance. You seem fixated on "Hard plastic"=Anecdotal (Based off user) and "Allegedly sound a touch better"(You haven't tested them)=Anecdotal.

No one is building a case against you, you built a case against yourself. A post when you offer anecdotal opinions not based on fact.
 
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That's great. I'm just saying it's a very flawed offering from Apple
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Except he absolutely did not.

Being I don't want to hijack this thread with arguing semantics with you any further, I will make my Final points regarding the Airpods and leave at that.

It's your opinion regarding the Airpod inline controls. You say it's terrible, others may disagree. It is what is. And we don't know if Apple can or will expand on the controls through software updates or not. It was a thought, not a certainty. But the user is aware these are how the Airpods are controlled through. If you don't like the control options, then don't purchase them. It's Apple's proprietary product.

I think Apple's point of execution with the Airpods is eliminating the wires and providing the user with the experience of a product that can be used between your Apple devices, hence the W1 Chip. No, the sound will not be that of what Bose or Jaybirds can provide. Again, I haven't tested the Airpods, but the consensus seems to be fairly positive.

You mentioned it was a 'Safe Guess' the Airpods wouldn't compete with Bose or Jaybirds, again, I don't believe Apple is trying to compete with them in this market. I believe Apple is providing the user with the option of integrating the Airpods with the iPhone for a seamless experience, similar to the Apple Watch. If you re-watch the KeyNote, you will notice Apple never really empathized the Airpods surrounding the sound quality. It was More of an emphasis of what the Airpods can do and how they pair seamless with the iPhone/Apple devices.

I think where Apple really shines with the Airpods is through the charging capabilities. The compact carry Go charging case coupled with five hour rated battery life is fairly good for a first Gen product. 15 minutes of charging provides 3 hours of battery life. Also, the motion detecting sensors is convenient to know when the Airpods are in your ear.

The hard plastic is how they are. They suit my comfortability fine. But that's ME. I have high end Bose earbuds with silicone tips, which are comfortable. But I want a product that serves convenience and produces the expectation it can expand. As long as the Airpods are comfortable and convenient (Which includes staying in my ear with adequate battery life). Then that's all I can ask for.

Which leads me To my last point. This is a first Gen Product and it's likely to expand with water resistance and other options. Based off reading your posts and previous messages, you seem to have these expectations that Apple should be releasing a product that meets ALL your needs. When in fact, it's a product that isn't even released yet. That doesn't mean Apple can't expand beyond its current capabilities.

Obviously this isn't a product for you. Others, like myself, are looking forward to the release. They may be ugly, but I could care less.

I still think your previous messages are nothing more than anecdotal claims aside from water resistance. You seem fixated on "Hard plastic"=Anecdotal (Based off user) and "Allegedly sound a touch better"(You haven't tested them)=Anecdotal.

No one is building a case against you, you built a case against yourself. And you can't fully "Debunk" A post when you offer anecdotal opinions not based on fact.
 
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Being I don't want to hijack this thread with arguing semantics with you any further, I will make my Final points regarding the Airpods and leave at that.

It's your opinion regarding the Airpod inline controls. You say it's terrible, others may disagree. It is what is. And we don't know if Apple can or will expand on the controls through software updates or not. It was a thought, not a certainty. But the user is aware these are how the Airpods are controlled through. If you don't like the control options, then don't purchase them. It's Apple's proprietary product.

Not sure what your point is. I am one of many on this forum simply pointing out how terrible the lack of controls are on the AirPods. Do you really need to reply saying 'don't buy them'? Really?


I think Apple's point of execution with the Airpods is eliminating the wires and providing the user with the experience of a product that can be used between your Apple devices, hence the W1 Chip. No, the sound will not be that of what Bose or Jaybirds can provide. Again, I haven't tested the Airpods, but the consensus seems to be fairly positive.

You mentioned it was a 'Safe Guess' the Airpods wouldn't compete with Bose or Jaybirds, again, I don't believe Apple is trying to compete with them in this market. I believe Apple is providing the user with the option of integrating the Airpods with the iPhone for a seamless experience, similar to the Apple Watch. If you re-watch the KeyNote, you will notice Apple never really empathized the Airpods surrounding the sound quality. It was More of an emphasis of what the Airpods can do and how the pair seamless with the iPhone/Apple devices.

Apple is indeed competition with Bose, Jaybirds, and the like with the AirPods. Not only that, there will be a ton of truly wireless headphones in the market in the upcoming months. Ones with water/sweat resistance, inline controls on the earbuds, etc. The only advantage Apple will have at that point with the AirPods is that they will be made from Apple, sold in all retail stores, and the W1 chip/seamless pairing. Nothing to sneeze at however the point is the AirPods will have a ton of serious competition very soon whether Apple is attempting to compete with others or not.


I think where Apple really shines with the Airpods is through the charging capabilities. The compact carry Go charging case coupled with five hour rated battery life is fairly good for a first Gen product. 15 minutes of charging provides 3 hours of battery life. Also, the motion detecting sensors is convenient to know when the Airpods are in your ear.

Current competitors offer on-the-go charging cases.

The hard plastic is how they are. They suit my comfortability fine. But that's ME. I have high end Bose earbuds with silicone tips, which are comfortable. But I want a product that serves convenience and produces the expectation it can expand. As long as the Airpods are comfortable and convenient (Which includes staying in my ear with adequate battery life). Then that's all I can ask for.

I'd feel more confident if Apple provided silicone tips of some sort to cover the AirPod buds. As of right now I seriously question how comfortable hard plastic will be in your ears over time. Again, this remains to be seen until these things are out and reviewed.


Which leads me To my last point. This is a first Gen Product and it's likely to expand with water resistance and other options. Based off reading your posts and previous messages, you seem to have these expectations that Apple should be releasing a product that meets ALL your needs. When in fact, it's a product that isn't even released yet. That doesn't mean Apple can't expand beyond its current capabilities.

This has NOTHING to do with meeting all my needs. It's an honest look at what the AirPods are competing with. Go look at my original list. These are issues that the AirPods have going against it from the very start. Will some people be able to deal with these problems? Sure. But why does it bother you so much that I'm simply listing the problems on this forum? Why are you so defensive? Why must you rush in and tell me how wrong I am? This is what I hate about this forum at times. It's a not a place for discussion. People get emotional and can't discuss something without insulting others. Stop and realize that the AirPods are not only a no-go for me but for many others.


Obviously this isn't a product for you. Others, like myself, are looking forward to the release. They may be ugly, but I could care less.

I still think your previous messages are nothing more than anecdotal claims aside from water resistance. You seem fixated on "Hard plastic"=Anecdotal (Based off user) and "Allegedly sound a touch better"(You haven't tested them)=Anecdotal.

No one is building a case against you, you built a case against yourself. A post when you offer anecdotal opinions not based on fact.

Oh really??? My original post....

1. No inline controls.

Fact.

2. No noise isolation.

Fact.

3. No sweat/water resistance.

Fact.

4. Allegedly sound just a touch better than the terrible free headphones Apple gives away with iPhone's.

Fact. Again, go read any review online or watch a video review on YouTube.

5. Hard plastic in your ear.

Yes, this one is my opinion. It's also shared by countless others.
 
Apple really botched everything this year.
50 days and still my phone has not been shipped. Now if i want these earphones I would have to wait until after the holidays if I am no one of the early adopters.Heck even the new macs are already started to slip.


Do these earphones only work with apple products?

Why wouldnt you just pick one up at the store? It's not that difficult. I picked up 3x 7 and 1x plus including a jetblack model since launch.
 
Barclays said the initial production run will be "fairly small," totaling between 10 million and 15 million AirPods to start.
10 to 15 million sounds like a lot. Curious, what would be "normal" or "typical" then? What would be normal or typical for Apple for that matter, as they tend to do quantities differently then the rest of the industry?
 
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