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I think Apple hardware and software got badly out of sync on the new computers: the draft n hardware was ready, but the software wasn't.

Thus Apple had three choices:
(1) sell computers with the n hardware, but advertise they only had g because the n software wasn't ready and then deal with this PR nightmare.
(2) sell computers with the n hardware, but advertise they only had g and never unlock the n feature because the units were sold as only b,g compatible.
(3) sell computers with g hardware and wait until all the n pieces were in place before including them.

So you could:
(1) whine about having to pay $5 to get a new feature
(2) get really pissed off when you discover your Mac has hardware you can't use
(3) spend months whining about how your "state of the art" Core2 Mac only has 802.11g
 
Windows Draft-n drivers

FYI, for those using Bootcamp or just booting straight windows with no OS X - the draft-n drivers for the core duos are already out for a while now, so if you want to try the .11n spec with your .11n spec router, you can do that already in windows xp or 2000.
 
Everyone has Quicktime Pro on their machine. When you "upgrade" they simply SELL you the code to unlock it. I don't understand all the whining over $5.00. :rolleyes:
 
Everyone has Quicktime Pro on their machine. When you "upgrade" they simply SELL you the code to unlock it. I don't understand all the whining over $5.00. :rolleyes:

Well for me it's because i'm in college and 5.00 is my lunch when my class goes from 1p.m. - 11.p.m. So 5.00 is pretty important to me. But really mostly it's not about having to spend 5.00 or even 1.00. It's the fact that we have to pay for N even though it's in our computer. If I had to take it to the Apple store for someone to manually and physically turn on a switch or something I could understand (maybe) but a software update I have to pay for... just blows...
 
Not a SOX expert here but to take a stab at this, I would assume they are limiting you because they are archiving 100% of all corporate emails in an attempt to not get charged with destroying evidence in the case of a law suit. Many companies are doing this as an overreaction to SOX and the Enron/Tyco suits that were it's genesis.

Source: Google for "SOX email quota" and read a couple links :)
:D Now, you see, if they explained it like that it would have made more sense... You might be right-- at least that implies that logic made it a little further through the process.

I still think it's a lousy excuse, though...
 
so do core duo macbooks support the n.

Depends, i'm not sure of your revision number. iMac Core Duo since rev. B has included the draft-n radio. I haven't taken apart my iMac yet, so I don't know if the Rev. A's can be upgraded, since these things are usually connected via a mini-pci (common standard) connector shared with laptops. If you are not sure, just boot into windows xp and look under device manager for actual wifi card and then check google for n-compatibility and if so, you can use the n-drivers.
 
Everyone has Quicktime Pro on their machine. When you "upgrade" they simply SELL you the code to unlock it. I don't understand all the whining over $5.00. :rolleyes:

This raises one other possibility that's been going through my head-- it could be to cover royalties. I'm pretty sure the QT Pro fee is to cover royalties on some of the features included (codecs or whatever). I can't remember if it was iTunes or another app that only worked with built in optical drives until the licensing changed, because there was a royalty on one of the encoders. Maybe there's a royalty issue with 802.11n that needs to be covered?
Sarbanes Oxley (sp?) is going to force a LOT of companies to charge for software that used to be bundled. It's not a joke, so the story should be updated to not reflect the idea that this is something Apple is making up. They are not.

Can you please point me to the part of the SOX law that has anything to do with this? I assume you know something about it-- just point me to the section of the law, or quote the provision, or something... please...

Apple doesn't have to charge anything. But they are more compelled to because beyond a simple low cost software patch they have to pay taxes based on the value of the upgrade that millions of people are enabling. So they charge enough to establish a defensible value and pay the taxes on it per person who upgrades. Apple could always eat the costs. If those costs were $100k maybe, sure. But at millions owed in taxes, why not pass that on to the consumer. Especially if we are getting so much more than $5 out of the new functionality.

Hey-- thanks for taking the time to try and explain all of this. I don't know that it's the "adding value" bit that's really the reason for it, but your explanation has been educational.
 
Yeah, I'm not buying it either...
All the Intel based mac chipsets support 802.11a...not sure if it is actually enabled in the software though.

But unfortunately the 5.8GHz antenna socket on the Airport Card is not connected to anything :-(
 
But unfortunately the 5.8GHz antenna socket on the Airport Card is not connected to anything :-(

Hmm, the antennas aren't hard to get, OEM parts I guess, and tuck it away somewhere inside the iMac's plastic interior.

I have yet to check mine...
 
It has got something to do with Apple writing of development costs in products. They are writing of the development and advertising costs for product A with features B. They cant later add features C and D to product A+B, since it'll change the cost of developing the products. This have stopped Apple from implementing stuff in their operating system and iPods too, stuff that could have been easily added through software updates.

This may explain why someone at Adobe told me that couldn't add even minor new features to Adobe software along with the bug fixes. At the time, I thought she was crazy and pointed out all the improvements Apple sticks in between versions. Now it sounds like it is true. For their big products, we have to wait 18 months are longer for even minor improvements in a user interface or something.

This is really, really, really dumb. Congress goes weird after a scandal and writes a new law so bad, it creates a tax accounting mess when software companies simply want to reward users with minor improvements. Who cares when an expense gets written off, as long as it does, the IRS will eventually get the right amount of money.

What has that got to do with the sorts of schemes being done at Enron, schemes there were already illegal under existing law anyway?

Maybe it's time we gave our local member of Congress a hard time about this.
 
What's really funny is SOX isn't actually the issue at all

What's really funny is that SOX isn't causing this at all. What is causing this and many similar fees is simply awareness of ethical, consistent, and enforced accounting treatments by many corporations that had either been very lax or just thought a few "white lies" wouldn't be any big deal. SOX isn't specially causing any of this. Good accounting and ethics are causing it.

They cause it because if Apple accounts correctly for its actions, it owes money, and if it owes too much money giving away freebies then it will charge us instead of making things free. If Apple could just give things away fee at no real cost to itself, hurting the marketplace, that wouldn't be right would it? Think Microsoft and bundling...

That is the only effect SOX has on this issue.
 
It is strange that they can't give out the updater.. Its just an improvement upon an excisting technology.. It would be the same as having those Mac mini's that shipped with better specs, being elligal..
Not quite. The 'upgraded' Mac minis were fully functional and disclosed their performance when assessed. Standard disclosures such as "actual appearance may vary" and "specifications are subject to change at any time" etc. cover supply-chain changes and periodic upgrades. What they don't cover are substantive changes--they couldn't secretly switch to Intel processors in the minis from G4s without disclosing it. With the minis, you just got incrementally better equipment than what was specified. This is not the case here. 802.11n represents a material change.

This may explain why someone at Adobe told me that couldn't add even minor new features to Adobe software along with the bug fixes. At the time, I thought she was crazy and pointed out all the improvements Apple sticks in between versions. Now it sounds like it is true. For their big products, we have to wait 18 months are longer for even minor improvements in a user interface or something.
No, that's just nonsense. If Photoshop 6 shipped with the features of Photoshop 7, just disabled, that would be applicable. But evolutionary software application updates are irrelevant and generally not subject to this act. It is expected that software is a fluid product and as such only the major function is reported (e.g. OS, image editor, music player).

What's really funny is that SOX isn't causing this at all. What is causing this and many similar fees is simply awareness of ethical, consistent, and enforced accounting treatments by many corporations that had either been very lax or just thought a few "white lies" wouldn't be any big deal. SOX isn't specially causing any of this. Good accounting and ethics are causing it.
The issue is actually PCAOB auditing, based on what I can see. I'm not a lawyer on this case or representing any interested parties. However, new accounting rules and strict records compliance require action to avoid what are called "material misstatements" which include substantial differences in products. Apple reported its products as having a complete feature set including 802.11b and g support. In order to support 802.11n, additional hardware and software is needed to enable a substantially different interface. In terms of interoperability, the difference between 802.11g and 802.11n is the same as the difference between ethernet and wireless networking cards. They are not interoperable and constitute a material change. Special hardware is needed to take advantage of and to construct an n-capable network.

The fact that the hardware has disabled capabilities is not novel (processors are often crippled and sold as inferior products [Celeron v. Pentium; GeForce MX vs. 4; et al.]), but Apple as a company cannot simply announce a latent feature in preexisting products that was not disclosed in their accounting documents previously. The way around this is to issue the update as a paid "upgrade" which implements the new feature. They can then report this material change to their products in their accounting and disclosure filings.

If this were a purely software change, then this would not apply, as software features are not disclosed in the detail that hardware is. Also, if this were an extension of an existing product that was simply bigger or faster or cheaper, it would slide by as well. This isn't a faster 802.11g card; it's a different device implemented in hardware and software both internal (the Airport card) and external (requiring compatible switches/routers/gateways/etc.) to the product. It happens to be faster and roughly similar. But then again the Pentium M is faster and roughly similar to the Pentium III and was also a material change.
 
5 times faster not for all countries

maybe someone mentioned it before, but i´ve found out why new airport extreme just fires up 2,5 times in UK, Spain, Germany, Austria et. al. ! For these countries, the 802.11n´s capability to transmit on a 40mHz wide channel is forbidden!

how sad, will there nerver be theoratical 600 mbps :mad: ?

see further: http://www.dailywireless.org/2006/11/20/ 80211n-restricted-to-20mhz-channels-at-24-ghz/
 
As that Act is US-only, why does the rest of the world still need to pay that $4.99 for a mere software update?

Because the company is listed on the NYSE and/or Canadian Stock Exchange (at least that's what my boss explained to me).

I work for an Australian software company that deals with mining companies here in Australia. Some of these companies are listed on NYSE, so we have to abide by their SOX compliance policies. Some of them are absolutely ridiculous, others we don't even hear about. For example, to fix a printer set up on one of our customer's servers, we need the person who noticed the problem and logged the call with us to register a change request with their superior which works it's way back to their accountants. Then, they send it back to the person saying that they can now ask us to get authorisation from them to make the change. So we need to contact them and goes through the same chain again to get permission to make the change. When we make the change, we send them all the details, how long it took, what time, which server, etc, and then that's it. Other companies, we just let them know we're doing it, make the change, and tell them it's done, even without having to go to the superior. Funnily enough, even some of our SOX-compliant customers let us do that, because their SOX compliance policies aren't so strict.

Thankfully we aren't listed on NYSE.
 
I disagree. The new feature IS pre-installed. It is just disabled. Otherwise, you would need new hardware. Everyone who bought a C2D machine paid for an 11.n card. It's built into the cost of the hardware.

As for the software driver to "uncripple" it, as I keep pointing out, it's no different than the drivers we get in Software Update, the security patches, the upgraded functionality for the OS and software (e.g. iTunes, QuickTime).

in summary, I'm happy on the one hand that the cost is only $5 rather than having to buy a new card. On the other hand, it's ******** that we're being asked to pay period.

I totally agree with you on this... it's absurd
 
Bottom Line here is that when Apple charged $49 for the Intel Final Cut Pro Studio sidegrade, and got away with it, it learned it can shakedown customers with impunity. And the Intel FCP Studio sidegrade didn't even add features, just compatibility. How's that for thanks to the Intel early adopters.

Back in the day (just a few years ago) users yelled that the $129 Apple charged for an incomplete Mac OS X 10.0 was robbery. Apple relented and GAVE AWAY copies of 10.1 to all 10.0 owners. Obviously Mac users have morphed into wimps since then and now just turn their backsides to Jobs and yell "thank you Steve, may I have another."

I believe Apple's SOX accounting rationale. It's one of those unantcipated consequences that broad legislation creates. Even still SOX does not prohibit companies from adding new features to pre-sold products, it just requires them to account for it in a special way. Now seems to me if Apple can go to all the trouble to back date Jobs' stock options it can find a legal and legit way to account for some two-bit firmware for loyal customers $1000-3000 computers, rather than nickel and dime them.

The fact is Apple is becoming as greedy and oppressive as M$. I won't be too shocked if Leopard requires activation like Windows. Steve probably wants the $5 per so he can fill up the Apple Gulfwing for a weekend sortie.
 
OK. The guy from Apple called me back. This was surprising, because they ususally don't do that. The tech guy, ironicly named Steve, said that any computer (intel) with a built-in G card can have it's n feature "activated". This is free when you buy a router, it comes with an "enabler cd". If you are not getting a new router, or if you just want N enabled, you have to pay apple $5 for the CD.
 
maybe someone mentioned it before, but i´ve found out why new airport extreme just fires up 2,5 times in UK, Spain, Germany, Austria et. al. ! For these countries, the 802.11n´s capability to transmit on a 40mHz wide channel is forbidden!

how sad, will there nerver be theoratical 600 mbps :mad: ?

see further: http://www.dailywireless.org/2006/11/20/ 80211n-restricted-to-20mhz-channels-at-24-ghz/

Re-read it.
Last week the IEEE 802.11 voted for a ban on 40Mhz wide channel bonding on the 2.4 Ghz spectrum. The vote was 40 for, 31 against. A 75% majority is needed to pass a technical motion, however, so the ban did not pass.
 
Re-read it.

Re-read it.

A ban on 40 MHz wide channels would not apply to the 5 GHz band. Meanwhile, companies may well sell 2.4 GHz access points with ganged channels — but don’t expect “N” compliance and compatibility. A “standard” 802.11n spec may not emerge for another year.

That ban was about 2.4GHz which is B and G. A and N use the 5GHz band. UK's 2.5x speed is due to the country's ban of 40Mhz wide channels at 5GHz probably due to military or something. Either way. It has nothin to do with the ban the IEEE was discussin.
 
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