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The M1 Pro/Max/Ultra got the video encoding blocks from the A15 that the base M1 didn't, so does that mean all MacBook Pro 14"/16" and Mac Studios have M2s by your logic?
Are we going to imply the main CPU cores are as architecturally important and generation-defining as some fixed-function video blocks? Sure, anything is possible, but if an SoC with A15 CPU cores is called an “M1 Something” then we’re entering dumb Intel-style “Nth gen could mean anything” territory….for the sake of clarity I hope this naming convention holds:
- A14 CPU cores —> M1
- A15 CPU cores —> M2
- A16 CPU cores —> M3
etc.

Fabbing node notwithstanding, video blocks notwithstanding.
 
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Nothing in this rumor makes sense to me. Until I‘m able to find a why to connect the what’s, this is just noise.
 
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Are we going to imply the main CPU cores are as architecturally important and generation-defining as some fixed-function video blocks? Sure, anything is possible, but if an SoC with A15 CPU cores is called an “M1 Something” then we’re entering dumb Intel-style “Nth gen could mean anything” territory….for the sake of clarity I hope this naming convention holds:
- A14 CPU cores —> M1
- A15 CPU cores —> M2
- A16 CPU cores —> M3
etc.

Fabbing node notwithstanding, video blocks notwithstanding.
I think it‘s equally likely the m2 uses a16 cores. Annual cadence for a-series, biannual for m-series.

That‘s why this rumor sounds like nonsense to me— someone just sat in their room and started running combinatorics on Apple Silicon blocks.
 
I wouldn't touch any Apple's 1st iteration of a product/redesign.
iPhone 4: antennagate
iPhone 5: scuffgate
iPhone 6: bendgate
iPhone 12: poor battery life

The iPhone 15 is presumable will be a redesign. Add on USB-C and new chip, seems like there are plenty to go wrong when you hold it wrong (according to Apple).

I had the iPhone 5, the iPhone 6, and the iPhone X which is still my current phone. All of them were pretty great IMO, except perhaps for long-term battery life.

That’s actually my only real complaint with my X right now, is that the battery life had become much worse especially since the iOS 15 update. Battery health shows 81% but it feels much worse than that. Can’t get through a day any more without a top up (not even close!), but it used to do so easily.
 
So... if I understand this rumor, then there will be an beefed up verion of the M1. OK. So this super ultra version of M1 will be in the comming desktop Mac Pros?

If this is true, than no M2 SoC this year. Because who would buy the M1 Ultra Super Mega, if there is an M2? ;)
 
Apple clearly stated there were no more M1 versions coming.
So if the rumour is true and Apple release a new chip that isn't a M2, they probably won't call it "M1". That's all.

Apple have said that a new Mac Pro is coming - and it's not clear how they'll top the Studio Ultra without making a new chip. It's not just about processing power/number of cores - it's about things like 1.5TB RAM capacity and lots of 8-lane PCIe slots (...without which they might just as well make a rackmount version of the Mac Studio).

If so, it would make a lot of sense not to call it "M1 anything" if M2 is coming out next year, since the Mac pro is likely to be on a longer refresh cycle than the lower-end machines (in fact, the last few Mac Pro models haven't seen refreshes - it's been back to the drawing board every 4 years or so).
 
But the iPhone 16 will have USB-C and an even faster A18. That's the one you want to wait for.

Nah, that sounds fine and all, but it’ll be a modest upgrade over the iPhone 15. Kind of like buying an iPhone 13 for someone who already owns the 12.
 
Nothing in this rumor makes sense to me. Until I‘m able to find a why to connect the what’s, this is just noise.
Possibility one - it's just another rumour with no more than the requisite grain of truth.

Possibility two - if it is true, I'd read it as "What was going to be the never-announced M2/pro/max/ultra range has been cut back to just a single super-chip for the new Mac Pro - for everything else M3 on 3nm will be the new M2".

Possibility three - minor variation, "What was going to be the never-announced M2/pro/max/ultra range has been cut back to just the base M2 which we'll market as a "M1X" or something to bump the 18-month old MBA and Mini models in time for the winter holiday season - for everything else M3 is the new M2".

...which would make sense in a world where various "unforeseen circumstances" mean customers are still waiting for for M1 Pro/Max MacBook Pros they ordered months ago, and a brand new M1 Max/Ultra desktop range was only launched in March.
 
Possibility three - minor variation, "What was going to be the never-announced M2/pro/max/ultra range has been cut back to just the base M2 which we'll market as a "M1X" or something to bump the 18-month old MBA and Mini models in time for the winter holiday season - for everything else M3 is the new M2".

I think this sounds very probable, with a small correction: I don’t think they need to market it as ‘M1X‘. It can very much be just another M1 with different core configuration, even if based on A15 not A14.
 
I think this sounds very probable, with a small correction: I don’t think they need to market it as ‘M1X‘. It can very much be just another M1 with different core configuration, even if based on A15 not A14.
Well, they did say something along the lines that the M1 Ultra was the last M1 chip and I suspect they choose their words very carefully at such events. Plus, while M1 is ultimately just a marketing name which can be stuck wherever Apple want, any objective meaning it might have had would be lost by applying it to a chip with different CPU cores.

Really, though, they could call it "Vera" if they wanted...
 
I better trust apple and not this new leaker..
nowadays there a tons of "leakers"

I was watching a video this morning of a War-Mart "insider" talking about empty store shelves and supply chain shortages...Lol, umm...okay? I don't have to be an insider to see this happening, I see it whenever I go grocery shopping.
 
To those saying that the Mac Pro cannot have an M1 family SoC because the M1 Ultra has been declared the final member of the family by Apple, I do believe Apple could possibly use the UltraFusion silicon interposer to link two M1 Ultra and not bothering to give it it's own model name.

They can simply say "the new Mac Pro - now with the power of two M1 Ultra".
 
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The 12 series has poorer battery life compared to the 11 series and the 13 series. It's probably the first series that have worse battery life than the previous series since maybe the 6s.
To your experience, mine has been the opposite.
Well, you're wrong on that.

In fact the same Linux dude I mentioned above predicted the M1 Ultra long before it was released, based on the architectural design and macOS. He didn't know about the M1 Ultra name though of course, and he didn't know about Mac Studio either.

People assumed that "M1 Max Duo" chip was going to be used in a base Mac Pro or something. The surprise was not that M1 Ultra was released. The surprise was that it was released in a brand new product called Mac Studio.

And anyway, like I said, Apple will not be releasing any more chips named M1 xxx. They already said, in plain English, that M1 Ultra is the end of the line for M1. So yeah, we can be absolutely sure there will be no M1 Dual Ultra chip or M1 Ultra Duo chip. Maybe there will be something analogous to that in some respects, but it won't be an M1 series chip.
We'll know in WWDC. After all, this is a guessing game based on rumors.
 
I wouldn't touch any Apple's 1st iteration of a product/redesign.
iPhone 4: antennagate
iPhone 5: scuffgate
iPhone 6: bendgate
iPhone 12: poor battery life

The iPhone 15 is presumable will be a redesign. Add on USB-C and new chip, seems like there are plenty to go wrong when you hold it wrong (according to Apple).
You realize small issues pop up with pretty much *every* iPhone?
You just picked these out to prove your point, and I’m going to do the exact opposite.
iPhone 3GS: overheating and discoloration
iPhone 4S: terrible battery life, even Apple new this one since they decreased the standby time estimations from 300 hours down to 200 hours
iPhone 7: hissgate
iPhone XS: chargegate
Turns out that no matter if the design is new or not, if you ship 200,000,000+ devices a year some of them are bound to have issues.
 
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They better hurry up and release something because both Intel and AMD are already curb-stomping them in the desktop space.
… no they’re not.
Find me a desktop as thin, light and powerful as the M1 iMac with Intel inside.
Or as efficient, quiet and non-disruptive as the Mac Studio.
Or a laptop with almost 24 hours of battery life.
That’s right, you can’t.
 
… no they’re not.
Find me a desktop as thin, light and powerful as the M1 iMac with Intel inside.
Or as efficient, quiet and non-disruptive as the Mac Studio.
Or a laptop with almost 24 hours of battery life.
That’s right, you can’t.

And let's not forgot the next NVIDIA card coming in a few weeks just came short of using more power than your home plugs can offer!

lol!

 
Possibility one - it's just another rumour with no more than the requisite grain of truth.

Possibility two - if it is true, I'd read it as "What was going to be the never-announced M2/pro/max/ultra range has been cut back to just a single super-chip for the new Mac Pro - for everything else M3 on 3nm will be the new M2".

Possibility three - minor variation, "What was going to be the never-announced M2/pro/max/ultra range has been cut back to just the base M2 which we'll market as a "M1X" or something to bump the 18-month old MBA and Mini models in time for the winter holiday season - for everything else M3 is the new M2".

...which would make sense in a world where various "unforeseen circumstances" mean customers are still waiting for for M1 Pro/Max MacBook Pros they ordered months ago, and a brand new M1 Max/Ultra desktop range was only launched in March.
Sure, any of those could be true, but I don’t see any evidence that one or the other is true. That’s taking a bit of a horoscope approach though— making random pronouncements and leaving it to the audience to construct a narrative that renders it believable. Everyone will create their own story.

I guess I don’t find any evidence to suggest there’s even a grain of truth in this. I guess we’ll see, starting in a few weeks.
 
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iPhone 4 - Steve Jobs actually made a point to address this concern, and it was fixed with the 4S.
iPhone 5 - These things scuffed like mad. It was a problem with the anodization process. They fixed it with the 5S.
iPhone 6 - These bent more easily than the prior models. They reinforced the weakest point in the housing with the 6s.

While the iPhone 5's scuffing issue was merely cosmetic, it was extremely widespread. For the iPhone 4 and 6, their issues affected much fewer people but they were definitely real, and Apple specifically addressed these issues with later models.

My main issue with the iPhone 6 wasn't that it was a 1st gen product though. My main issue was that it had only 1 GB RAM.
And if you used the iPhone 4 back then this was overblown in the media. Sure these threads being focused will have many complain about it.

Steve ALSO stated that besides the bumper as a first step resolution, that this was resolved in radio firmware and it was.

I owned the iPhone 4 when it Launched no issue s but I’m in Canada on Rogers then. Most users affected were on AT&T & Verizon.

Again this was resolved in software. I purchased a used sim unlock iPhone 4 just over a year ago and used it for a few weeks no issues.
 
To those saying that the Mac Pro cannot have an M1 family SoC because the M1 Ultra has been declared the final member of the family by Apple, I do believe Apple could possibly use the UltraFusion silicon interposer to link two M1 Ultra and not bothering to give it it's own model name.

They can simply say "the new Mac Pro - now with the power of two M1 Ultra".
Now there’s something to think about…. Is it “2 M1 Ultra”, “2 M1 Ultras”, or “2 M1s Ultra”?
 
Watching MaxTech's new video on this rumor and they mention that TSMC's N4P process (which is called "4nm" even though it uses a 5nm process) has SoC yield rates of around 70%. That means if Apple did build the A16 on it, they could be tossing 30% of the chips right away.

And that might be a conservative estimate, since that 70% is with Qualcomm's SnapDragon 8 Gen 1 and that might not be as complex an SoC as A16.

So Apple could see significantly reduced yields if they had gone with N4P which would translate to much higher unit prices for the SoC which would mean higher MSRPs for the iPhone Pro (maybe $1199/$1299 instead of the projected $1099/1199) and even at that higher price, Apple would not have nearly as many units available to sell with such poor yields.
 
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And if you used the iPhone 4 back then this was overblown in the media. Sure these threads being focused will have many complain about it.
I had the iPhone 4 actually. Yeah it was fine most of the time, but it did suffer problems if it was held a specific way. "You're holding it wrong."

Anyhow Consumer Reports did not recommend this model specifically because of this issue. Take from that what you will.
 
Are we going to imply the main CPU cores are as architecturally important and generation-defining as some fixed-function video blocks? Sure, anything is possible, but if an SoC with A15 CPU cores is called an “M1 Something” then we’re entering dumb Intel-style “Nth gen could mean anything” territory….for the sake of clarity I hope this naming convention holds:
- A14 CPU cores —> M1
- A15 CPU cores —> M2
- A16 CPU cores —> M3
etc.

Fabbing node notwithstanding, video blocks notwithstanding.
At the end of the day the engineering teams explain what the roadmap is and it's down to the marketing teams to decide how to name it and sell it.

I think I might have mentioned a few months ago that Apple could skip generations for various high power M series CPUs while the A series are now expected to be annual because of the release cadence of iPhones.

I don't really see why there's a generated uproar over this move - naming a CPU 'M2' is a marketing decision - and Apple will decide the criteria that best suits them.

A few of us were speculating over what we would see the M2 being based on - be it A15 or A16. Maybe not necessarily what process these CPUs would be built on.

So we're likely to see an M2 based on the A15 (the so called 'worst case scenario'). And if the M3 gets the 3nm process using the A16 cores some time later that would be the time to offer new features - Thunderbolt 5 perhaps? Better Mini LED or OLED screens? Certainly we could look forward to better battery life and perhaps quieter operation.

I had understood that the A16 CPUs would be priced higher due to the new process shrink and a lower yield goes some way to explaining this. This could mean a higher price in the Pro iPhones - could it mean higher prices for the presumably so-named M3 CPU generation?

Apple wanting to keep prices steady explains why they might want to use an A15 variant - with a rumoured 5 GPU cores like the iPhone 13 Pro in this year's iPhone 14 non Pro models.

Watching MaxTech's new video on this rumor and they mention that TSMC's N4P process (which is called "4nm" even though it uses a 5nm process) has SoC yield rates of around 70%. That means if Apple did build the A16 on it, they could be tossing 30% of the chips right away.

And that might be a conservative estimate, since that 70% is with Qualcomm's SnapDragon 8 Gen 1 and that might not be as complex an SoC as A16.

So Apple could see significantly reduced yields if they had gone with N4P which would translate to much higher unit prices for the SoC which would mean higher MSRPs for the iPhone Pro (maybe $1199/$1299 instead of the projected $1099/1199) and even at that higher price, Apple would not have nearly as many units available to sell with such poor yields.

So if A16 CPUs manufactured on the same process as the A15 might be cheaper to make en masse because of the higher yield? I think there's an argument to keep the lower end machines as cheap as possible.

In the phone space we might be seeing the A15 start to filter into low end products while Apple wait for later generation process shrunk CPUs to attain higher yields.

This might explain the high end camera modules we've seen for the iPhone 14 Pro but what can Apple offer in for Macs using the high end CPUs to help offer better value?

Presumably this cost is silently carried over in the Mac Pro as that's not been released yet but where does it leave the Mac Studio and the 14 and 16 inch Pro laptops when M3 rolls around?

Could we be seeing M1 and M2 pooling on the low end Macs for some time to come?
 
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