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Alleged Apple Chip Plans Suggest 'A16' Will Stick With 5nm, 'M2' to Make Jump to 3nm Instead
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Been considering a Mac Studio for my Pro Tools needs based on my experience with an M1 Max MacBook Pro. Curious what about the Studio didn’t meant your needs? Don’t want to find myself in the same boat
According to my sources, the Mac Pro will be “one more thing” out this year and include the final variant “M1 Quadra” (Apple already has the trademark) which will be two Ultras sandwiched together in a unique “horizontical” layout utilizing quantum lattice interconnects.
Probably as simple as yield. A16 will go to iPhones, which will require large volume, and thus a larger yield of a more mature process would be preferable. 3nm is new, and probably suited more for M2 that will go into less volume.
I wouldn't touch any Apple's 1st iteration of a product/redesign.
iPhone 4: antennagate
iPhone 5: scuffgate
iPhone 6: bendgate
iPhone 12: poor battery life
The iPhone 15 is presumable will be a redesign. Add on USB-C and new chip, seems like there are plenty to go wrong when you hold it wrong (according to Apple).
You came to a site called MacRumors. What's that quote? "It does what it says on the tin."
Poor battery life on the 12? Did I miss something? I had excellent battery life compared to the Xs I came from.
Huh. Despite those very scary sounding names - I had an iPhone 4, antenna/reception was entirely fine; I had an iPhone 5, what even was "scuffgate"? I had no problems with the phone; I had an iPhone 6, it never bent. (Those were literally my first 3 iPhones, now I have an 8; probably should upgrade at some point, but it still works fine for my needs.)
I mean, if you want to live your life in fear of scary names that websites come up with to get clicks... well, you do you, I guess.
People will add "-gate" to anything these days, to try to drum up controversy. Half of them probably don't even know where the term originated.
No more M1’s of any kind to be released. M1 is complete.
Mac Pro will have its own line of Apple Silicon. And sounds like it’s based on current cores of A15. That ain’t an M1, period.
Apple has been aggressive with its iPhone chips for a decade and a half. Now they dominate.
Sounds like they are choosing to now push the Mac as much as possible with 3nm. With limited production capacity, they’ve chosen to give 3nm production to Mac so it can leap ahead of the competition as fast as possible. They are facing much more strong completion in computers than phones (A15 kills everything else bad).
They need M2 and M3 to push as hard as possible to do the same with Mac.
Mac Pro will have its own line of Apple Silicon. And sounds like it’s based on current cores of A15. That ain’t an M1, period.
Apple has been aggressive with its iPhone chips for a decade and a half. Now they dominate.
Sounds like they are choosing to now push the Mac as much as possible with 3nm. With limited production capacity, they’ve chosen to give 3nm production to Mac so it can leap ahead of the competition as fast as possible. They are facing much more strong completion in computers than phones (A15 kills everything else bad).
They need M2 and M3 to push as hard as possible to do the same with Mac.
iPhone 4 - Steve Jobs actually made a point to address this concern, and it was fixed with the 4S.
iPhone 5 - These things scuffed like mad. It was a problem with the anodization process. They fixed it with the 5S.
iPhone 6 - These bent more easily than the prior models. They reinforced the weakest point in the housing with the 6s.
While the iPhone 5's scuffing issue was merely cosmetic, it was extremely widespread. For the iPhone 4 and 6, their issues affected much fewer people but they were definitely real, and Apple specifically addressed these issues with later models.
My main issue with the iPhone 6 wasn't that it was a 1st gen product though. My main issue was that it had only 1 GB RAM.
You know this how? Apple could easily deliver dual M1 Ultras in the Mac Pro. M2? People barely have been able to get the current generation of Macs due to lockdowns. Doubt Apple will release M2 right now.
The guy who is the lead engineer porting Linux to Apple Silicon says that dual M1 Ultras could theoretically work in a Mac Pro, but it would be a very half-assed approach due to the architectural design. The result would be almost akin to daisy-chaining two M1 Ultra Mac Studios together, which wouldn't be a very good solution. Plus, even if it was made to work, increasing the addressable RAM would be a problem. To be able to make a Mac Pro with more addressable RAM would mean even more jerry-rigging to get it to work, as the M1 Ultra doesn't appear to have been designed with that purpose in mind.
IOW, it's possible, but at least in my undereducated opinion, it doesn't seem probable. We will see, but like @Tyler O'Bannon suggests, I'm of the belief that the Mac Pro will have its own dedicated line of Apple Silicon. It will share some architectural features with the M series, but it will be different enough that I too think it will be named something other than M.
Yeah thanks but I’m aware that MR is a rumor website. But there are leakers with a big track record that we can rely on, and ShrimpApplePro is not one of them. Anybody can create a twitter account and pretend to be an apple leaker, doesn’t mean you’re one
The M1 Pro/Max/Ultra got the video encoding blocks from the A15 that the base M1 didn't, so does that mean all MacBook Pro 14"/16" and Mac Studios have M2s by your logic?
Well, here is the thing. People didn't think the M1 Ultra would come along and here comes Apple with it. We don't know if Apple did a M1 Dual Ultra die. We can't be sure.
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Looks like M2 is confirmed in WWDC, 2022? 10 more days.
If you like to be Apple's beta tester for an expensive new redesign, go ahead, suits yourself. Nobody's stopping you.
I won't, since not only Apple charges at least 30% more than US MSRP in my country, we don't even have actual Apple stores for support nor warranty.
The 12 series has poorer battery life compared to the 11 series and the 13 series. It's probably the first series that have worse battery life than the previous series since maybe the 6s.
Well, you're wrong on that.
In fact the same Linux dude I mentioned above predicted the M1 Ultra long before it was released, based on the architectural design and macOS. He didn't know about the M1 Ultra name though of course, and he didn't know about Mac Studio either.
People assumed that "M1 Max Duo" chip was going to be used in a base Mac Pro or something. The surprise was not that M1 Ultra was released. The surprise was that it was released in a brand new product called Mac Studio.
And anyway, like I said, Apple will not be releasing any more chips named M1 xxx. They already said, in plain English, that M1 Ultra is the end of the line for M1. So yeah, we can be absolutely sure there will be no M1 Dual Ultra chip or M1 Ultra Duo chip. Maybe there will be something analogous to that in some respects, but it won't be an M1 series chip.
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Sounds like Apple is struggling with chip advancements the same way intel has
Definitely agree on this, probably more due to the A14 being first gen 5NM chip. My 12 Mini and Ipad Air 4 (both with A14 chips) are not great for battery life. Yet you look at the 13 mini and Ipad Mini 6 for example, and they got amazing battery life due to the more efficient A15 chips in them.