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Alleged Parts for Upcoming iPhone Leak Again, Mute Switch to Become Push Button?

I wish the mute switch on the iPhone was removed completely. Its far too easy in my opinion to activate it and miss calls and a button would make the issue worse.

Instead I wish Apple would put a top level setting in Settings so that it was accessed in there or better still put an option in the swipe down notification centre to do the same thing as the mute switch.
 
Toggle button issue...

The one issue that I found with Toggle button, which is major, is that implementing it as a hardware button makes that aspect of the phone less smart or not smart at all. Utilizing hardware button will not enable the software to enable or disable the ringer and other aspects in a smart way. Hence we see applications using that aspect very inconsistently, which is a huge pain. I thought that was a shortcoming of the device from the start. Removing the current toggle button nature will enable them to build smart profiles based on if you are in a meeting or not, based on the time of the day, based on location etc.
 
jingbugle said:
The one issue that I found with Toggle button, which is major, is that implementing it as a hardware button makes that aspect of the phone less smart or not smart at all. Utilizing hardware button will not enable the software to enable or disable the ringer and other aspects in a smart way.
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That has nothing to do with what kind of switch that is used, (toggle or not). But besides that, the function of the toggle on the iPad can be set to lock screen rotation for example.
 
Won't buy

I will never buy a phone that doesn't have a toggle switch for silent mode. Push button sounds like the most horrible design ever. Apple, there is such a thing as over-simplifying something.
 
Trius said:
Are you being sarcastic? Because It could not be easier to feel which button is which while in my pocket...
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No, sorry, I'm not, I would love Apple to replace the two individual bottom to one wide button with one end volume up and the other for volume down (one of my previous Samsung had it and it worked great) and a small push button instead of the current switch which often has to be handled via my finger nails.

Perhaps it is just me...

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rdlink said:
Couldn't disagree more. I can easily find my volume buttons, and know which is which while in my pocket. And the mute switch is pretty much perfect the way it is, thank you. Or, if not perfect, at least better than the idea of a push button. Again, I can easily tell what position it's in when it's in my pocket, and I have rarely, if ever accidentally engaged it.



Yes. Many times. And it doesn't hurt much. But a incidental, unaware push of a mute button could be bad. Very bad.
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Bad, very bad? Dude what are you doing?:D

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Jayomat said:
So what you are saying is that you are unable to feel the correct button? There is one switch and two buttons, the upper to increase, the lower to decrease. How can you not do this without looking? :confused:
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Just liked the feel of the combined switch of my Samsung D900 (some years ago) better.

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RenoG said:
Dude, are you serious right now, really?
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Am afraid I am, just don't like the switches. crazy me.
 
I really whish they keep the hardware mute switch.

I like how I feel it in my pocket without a need to look at it, I like how buggy applications can't arbitrarily set a given volume (are you listening, Rogers?). I like how actuating it gives the reassuring feeling of a well-built device.

I LOVE this manual override of sound output when we enter a place where a ringing phone would disturb the ones around us, that and the fact there's no lag at all in its effect.

Ok, well, maybe a smart, location-based muting would be best for masses who still can't undersand cell phone etiquette.
 
JAT said:
Everybody does. But what does that have to do with this topic?

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Don't want many possibilities. That's the point. You want a button that does a million things? Look at the bottom of the front of the iPhone.
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nothing lol chill
and the home button does only 6 things. goes to home, siri, toggles multitask, stops home rearrange mode, triple click to return to main page and with the off switch, reset. that's a lot less than a million..
 
What if its not a button but a switch that pushes in and stays in when in silent and you click it and comes back up when not in silent?? That seems more logical and will make for a cleaner looking iPhone.
 
jingbugle said:
The one issue that I found with Toggle button, which is major, is that implementing it as a hardware button makes that aspect of the phone less smart or not smart at all. Utilizing hardware button will not enable the software to enable or disable the ringer and other aspects in a smart way. Hence we see applications using that aspect very inconsistently, which is a huge pain. I thought that was a shortcoming of the device from the start. Removing the current toggle button nature will enable them to build smart profiles based on if you are in a meeting or not, based on the time of the day, based on location etc.
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I was just logging in to say that I hated the idea of removing the toggle (it offers the ability to easily check by feel the state of your ringer). It is one of the things I miss having switched to Android.

But then I read this comment and it all makes a lot more sense to me.

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lifeinhd said:
Actually on my old Droid Eris you could do it without looking. Pressing volume down beyond the lowest volume setting would set it to mute, then vibrate, and it would vibrate once you hit vibrate. So if you're fumbling in your pocket and want to set it to mute, you'd simply hold the volume down until you felt it vibrate, then bring it up a notch. The obvious drawback of course being it's hard to set an exact volume level from your pocket.
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That's how my Galaxy S3 works, but it is a pain in the arse. The issue with it is that the power/wake/sleep button is directly opposite the volume rockers (on this model) so that when you put the device to sleep, often times you accidentally squeeze the volume rocker button as well. If you happen to hit the volume down button (which I do a lot) and you were originally on vibrate (which is where my phone is all the time) it will silently go to, um, silent mode.

The mute rocker switch is one of the things that I miss from my old iPhone.
 
JGRE said:
No, sorry, I'm not, I would love Apple to replace the two individual bottom to one wide button with one end volume up and the other for volume down (one of my previous Samsung had it and it worked great) and a small push button instead of the current switch which often has to be handled via my finger nails.

Perhaps it is just me...

Just liked the feel of the combined switch of my Samsung D900 (some years ago) better.
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OK... If you're able to reply to this message board, I do not believe that you cannot figure out the volume buttons without looking.. It's stupid simple (not an opinion).

You can FEEL the phone in your pocket, right?

Ok... hang on... now.. you feel the buttons, right?

WOAH, slow down now... I know that switch is throwing you off.. Don't worry about that right now..

Ok.. feel the top of the phone.. the one closest to the top of the phone... that's volume up.. the other one, you guessed it.. Volume down!!

Ok.. seriously, I know you're not that dumb. Like I said, I don't believe that you can't figure it out... I do believe, however, that you preferred your old Samsung phone better, and you're trying to exaggerate your point.
 
teknikal90 said:
nothing lol chill
and the home button does only 6 things. goes to home, siri, toggles multitask, stops home rearrange mode, triple click to return to main page and with the off switch, reset. that's a lot less than a million..
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You are really bad at conversation.
 
WatchTheThrone said:
What if its not a button but a switch that pushes in and stays in when in silent and you click it and comes back up when not in silent?? That seems more logical and will make for a cleaner looking iPhone.
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Even worse as it could be pressed inadvertently while in a pocket. There is no way a switch can be accidentally laterally depressed, and that is why this design is so efficient.

As one user stated he wanted to let the software do its job, I respond there must be a way to immediately block the most annoying behavior it could display - make noise in an unsuitable place. Buggy applications are still too common, including in the App Store despite Apple's oversight.
 
bvz said:
That's how my Galaxy S3 works, but it is a pain in the arse. The issue with it is that the power/wake/sleep button is directly opposite the volume rockers (on this model) so that when you put the device to sleep, often times you accidentally squeeze the volume rocker button as well. If you happen to hit the volume down button (which I do a lot) and you were originally on vibrate (which is where my phone is all the time) it will silently go to, um, silent mode.
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Ah, yeah, putting the power button on the side was a bad idea IMHO. I realize they did it because it's even worse to press a button on the top edge on some of these oversized phones, but the best place for a button is on the face of the device. Where you can, you know, see it, and easily access it.
 
lifeinhd said:
That ability won't necessarily go away. If you're in vibrate and the screen is off, press the button and it could vibrate to let you know. Press it again and it does nothing to indicate its silent. Press it one more time and it chirps to let you know you're on volume.
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But then if you're in the theater and want to make sure you're in silent mode and it turns out you're not you end up making a noise.

Trius said:
OK... If you're able to reply to this message board, I do not believe that you cannot figure out the volume buttons without looking.. It's stupid simple (not an opinion).
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Actually I know what he means - you're right in that you can find the button by feeling from the end of the edge, but that takes time, where-as with the old combined button it was instantaneous.

bvz said:
I was just logging in to say that I hated the idea of removing the toggle (it offers the ability to easily check by feel the state of your ringer). It is one of the things I miss having switched to Android.

But then I read this comment and it all makes a lot more sense to me.
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Ditto, I'm somewhat convinced now.
 
Trius said:
OK... If you're able to reply to this message board, I do not believe that you cannot figure out the volume buttons without looking.. It's stupid simple (not an opinion).

You can FEEL the phone in your pocket, right?

Ok... hang on... now.. you feel the buttons, right?

WOAH, slow down now... I know that switch is throwing you off.. Don't worry about that right now..

Ok.. feel the top of the phone.. the one closest to the top of the phone... that's volume up.. the other one, you guessed it.. Volume down!!

Ok.. seriously, I know you're not that dumb. Like I said, I don't believe that you can't figure it out... I do believe, however, that you preferred your old Samsung phone better, and you're trying to exaggerate your point.
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Yeah, real funny (LOL), let me put it in a different way: the ergonomics of the switches and buttons simply suck.
 
XboxMySocks said:
Solution: Take care of a $699-899 item.

Never will I understand how people proudly go about saying 'OH I DROP MY PHONE ALL THE TIME!' It is not a good thing. It is a sign of clumsiness and of blasé - neither of which are endearing qualities.
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You must be kidding. Putting a case on it is EXACTLY HOW I TAKE CARE OF A $699-$899 ITEM. I don't care of it's a $10k diamond ring... people drop ****. Accidents happen, no matter how careful you try to be.

I can't believe you're entire argument here is "we don't need to fix the mute switch because you shouldn't be using a case."
 
lokey said:
I wouldn't have to do anything more with it other than allow it to be an on/off toggle by default. If you allow the software to do the work you could make it be simply on/off or toggle thru various profiles, or maybe even a long press to bring up numerous options.

Again, a 1-2 switch gives you 2 options, a button gives you many possibilities.
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Yeah, I guess —*for something as important as ring/silent, I really prefer it to be a binary, tactile thing with zero abiguity. I'd rather not be mentally shuffling through which "profile" or options I might be activating.
 
brunerd said:
I see this as a way of making the ringer smarter, getting rid of a physical indication of functionality that might be overridden in software. To think of what's possible: You could press (and hold?) the button to mute it, it'll vibrate. Then there could be a setting "Auto unMute after x hours" which would be handy for the movies or other times when you only need it to be silenced for a short time or out drinking and you know you won't remember to unmute :). Or integrate with Passbook and Fandango: "Auto mute when I arrive at [movies]" conversely, "UnMute when I leave the [movies]"

Progress!
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I already spend way too much time trying to keep track of how my technology is trying to outsmart me, thanks. I want a switch that turns my phone to silent, period. No profiles, no location crap, no second-guessing as to where I might be or what I'm doing. Two positions that I can toggle without looking. If I miss a call, that's on me, not the result of something some app decided was the right thing to do.
 
lokey said:
An on/off toggle switch gives you 2 options, and only 2 options.
A push button potentially allows you to toggle through multiple options or "profiles". With the right implentation this is an improvement.
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There is no implementation with which this would be an improvement. The binary volume mute switch was the single best design decision of the original iPhone. Either I want my phone to make a noise, or I want it be silent. There's very rarely any in between state, and when there is it's not something I need to change in an instant.

When I want to set my phone to silent, I don't want to be faffing about flicking through multiple profiles. I want it to be quiet, and I want it to be quiet now. Most often, I want to be able to tell whether or not it's on silent without even looking at it. Quick hand to the pocket. Is the switch in the right place? Yes? Job's a good 'un.
 
This will become Siri button, fingerprint scanner will be a long hold on home button where Siri currently resides in iPhones.

One tap on new side button will activate Siri, long hold will mute/unmute. "Dictation Button"
 
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