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LOL, no. It isn't even comparable. Not by a mile.
Nokia software is sub par, it lacks computational photography. Why because computational photography requires 64 bit. And if the camera is the only thing Nokia going for it then it's useless. Nokia has zero ecosystem and the user experience sucks.
 
"Best product pipeline in 25 years"...still nothing impressive on the surface (e.g. ugly) but if it works well who really cares as it'll most likely be in a case.
 
Oh and Google's business model seems to be working rather well for them, seeing as they are a multi national multi billion dollar corporation with a current share price of $595.21, which is nearly SIX times that of Apples $100.84, and that was with the price being down today!

So yes, Google knows exactly what it is doing.

Google’s business model is working well for them. But it’s based around selling laser-guided advertising, not phones. Also, if you consider the pre-7-to-1 stock split price, Apple is currently over $700 on their stock price.

Really not sure where you were going with this in relation to the topic of phone cameras.
 
To say that MOST people's 5's and 5S's are bent is a gross overstatement. My iPhone 5S has been caseless for nearly the entirety of my time with it. It's been dropped and even fell out of a moving golf cart onto a poorly paved cartpath. It's not bent, nor is it broken. A couple of nicks on the edges, but otherwise in pretty good shape.

I didn't say "most"

You assume all of those deficiencies. None of them are factual. With screens getting larger, it only makes sense to reduce bulk everywhere you can so as to make the device light and easier to use one-handed.

Perhaps grip is stretching it, but every other factor is improved with extra volume.

If you're sitting on your phone, that's not Apple's fault. You have the freedom to add a variety of accessories, some that will add a little bulk, make the device more comfortable for you, or even add battery and storage. All of these options exist to the group who wants a thicker device. However what options are there for those of us who want their devices as slim and light as possible? None aftermarket.

Life happens. It's not Apple's fault if I drop it like you did, either...but that doesn't mean it should be designed so frailly that it can't handle it at least as well as their older phones, does it? I do have a battery case. It makes the phone about 190% of its normal size for 2/3 more battery life. Very inefficient, but the only way the phone lasts a whole work day for me. A phone 20% thicker would probably achieve the same battery life.

The mere fact that you think there are two speakers in the 5S and only one in these renderings shows how clueless you are. You do realize that the grill on the bottom of the device isn't just for speakers. All iPhones have speakers and microphones at the bottom of the device - look at the 5C and you'll notice the same configuration as the alleged iPhone 6 model shown.

http://www.apple.com/iphone-5s/specs/
http://www.apple.com/iphone-5c/specs/

Scroll to "External Buttons and Connectors".

I have a 4s, not a 5s. What's your point though? More thickness allows for bigger speaker(s), and bigger speakers allow more capability and volume because you can move more air. What's clueless about that?
 
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See how the shadow of the phone curves? The phone is sitting on a surface that is not flat. It's probably more like paper. This looks like why we don't "see" the phone sitting evenly and why the other side view sits flush against whatever its resting on. The surface isn't flat!
 

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I didn't say "most"

"If you look at many people's phones, you'll notice they're slightly bent near the upper buttons."

Sorry, MANY - still my point stands.



Perhaps grip is stretching it, but every other factor is improved with extra volume.

Every other factor can be improved in a smaller form factor as well depending on technology.

-Durability Depends more on the materials used. I've broken an iPhone 4S before, yet my 5 and 5S were fine after similar drops. All anecdotal.
-Battery life Can be improved more by better technology
-component cost Not necessarily
-camera performance Not necessarily, though I will give you the camera wouldn't necessarily have to protrude. But I've seen crappier cameras that protrude from thicker phones.
-speaker sound quality (It looks like this new phone only has one speaker!) Again, thickness of the device is not the sole factor

You mention these things as if a larger device would magically make all these things better. There are bigger phones out there that suck in some of these areas.


Life happens. It's not Apple's fault if I drop it like you did, either...but that doesn't mean it should be designed so frailly that it can't handle it at least as well as their older phones, does it? I do have a battery case. It makes the phone about 190% of its normal size for 2/3 more battery life. Very inefficient, but the only way the phone lasts a whole work day for me. A phone 20% thicker would probably achieve the same battery life.

My 5 and 5S have held up extremely well. I think they were made far better than the 4 and 4S due to build materials. It's not "designed frailly" - not in my experience. Perhaps the "many" people who's iPhones you've seen bent have trouble.

Not sure how normal use should constitute sitting on your device....its really not difficult to refrain from doing that. Would you set a 160lb weight (just thinking average weight of average adult male) on any other electronics you own?

I have a 4s, not a 5s. What's your point though? More thickness allows for bigger speaker(s), and bigger speakers allow more capability and volume because you can move more air. What's clueless about that?

http://www.apple.com/iphone-4s/specs/

Still only 1 speaker. I would love to have speakers like the HTC One's - that has nothing to do with size. It has to do with internal construction and what they decide to sell. Throwing in a bigger speaker or two speakers next to each other doesn't necessarily make for better sound.

All your points are extremely general. These things are affected by numerous factors, most of which have more to do with the overall quality than simply the size of the device. Sure Apple could say "meh, it's too hard to figure this out so we'll just make the device bulkier" and people like you might be fine with that. I'm just providing an opposing point of view to say I wouldn't be fine that.

You may think more people fall in your camp. I'd disagree but there really aren't any ways to back up my theory. Only the fact that the iPhone continues to be the best selling smartphone on the planet, so it would seem people are able to get over these issues.

Let's wait for the announcement. If the battery life is marginally better or the same (or, of course worse) and the sound isn't better and all these things suck, you can complain to your heart's content and then go buy one of the devices that works for you. Since, apparently there are tons of other competitors who do all this stuff better.
 
WHY is Apple trying to make it so UGLY?

Hey Apple, the thickness of the iphone 5s was perfectly fine. No reason to go any thinner than that. But, apparently, you did. Why not keep the 5s thickness and throw in a larger battery? What would've been wrong with that? I guess you wont be happy until you make a skeleton anorexic phone that weighs 12 grams. And whats with the nasty styling with the bulging edges and thick bands? That's just ugly. Its just frustrating being an Apple loyalist. Oh well.
 
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Yes.

I'm not talking eco-system or efficiency or any of that - but compared to the main mobile phone players Apple phones ARE lower specced in every area. Battery size, resolution, RAM, processor speed, replaceable memory/battery, speaker quality etc etc etc.

iPhones are thinner and 64 bit. That's all really.

I've had iPhones since the 3G but now is the first time I'm considering a change, I don't want thinner, I want better battery life and more memory would be a plus since I travel the world a lot for work and "the Cloud" isn't a viable option for storage due to roaming data costs. The HTC One M8 seems to be a very good phone, I'm wondering in what area the iPhone 6 might be better aside from thickness?

You just may want to consider the operating system. Best of luck with your HTC. I'll give you 3 months with it and you'll be buying an IP6
 
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Yes.

I'm not talking eco-system or efficiency or any of that - but compared to the main mobile phone players Apple phones ARE lower specced in every area. Battery size, resolution, RAM, processor speed, replaceable memory/battery, speaker quality etc etc etc.

iPhones are thinner and 64 bit. That's all really.

I've had iPhones since the 3G but now is the first time I'm considering a change, I don't want thinner, I want better battery life and more memory would be a plus since I travel the world a lot for work and "the Cloud" isn't a viable option for storage due to roaming data costs. The HTC One M8 seems to be a very good phone, I'm wondering in what area the iPhone 6 might be better aside from thickness?

So iPhones are lower specced in every area you mentioned yet:

-They get as good if not better battery life than their competitors as evidenced in objective real world tests.
-Their displays were only up until recently the most color accurate displays on any smartphone on the market.
-Their cameras are on par or better than almost every competitor based on objective tests.
-Their processor had higher benchmarks than any 2013 competitor (except the Note 3).

"Replaceable battery" isn't a spec....its a feature. One that some people feel is important and others do not. Speaker quality is fair, though most smartphone loudspeakers aren't that great save for the absolutely awesome HTC One. RAM doesn't affect usage on the iPhone.
 
Source please? In my experience (granted I haven't owned any of the 2014 Android devices, only the 2013 flagships - HTC One, GS4, Nexus 5), iPhones have better battery life than just about every device out there save for the Note series.

I'd love to see your source for them being at the bottom compared to competition.

Here's one of the best reviewers out there - as you can see, the 5S and 5C were squarely at the top or in the middle in all battery tests.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/9

Here's some:

One of the few issues the iPhone 5 had was a limited battery life. In this area the Samsung Galaxy S4 trounced it. Apple has tried a few things to improve battery life on the iPhone 5S, like including the M7 processor, but to varying degrees of success.
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Unfortunately the iPhone 5S is still not on a par with the Android big boys. The Samsung Galaxy S4 outlasts it by some margin and the removable cover offers the ability to switch batteries if you're really desperate and very well organised.
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So, while it's an improvement on the iPhone 4/4S/5 in this regard, it does feel as if Apple has chosen to ignore serious improvements in this area. It's 'good enough' for the large majority, but if there's an area it cedes noticeable ground to the competition, it's here.


Read more at http://www.trustedreviews.com/iphon...e-and-battery-life_Page-4#fdYf63fUMz9zKHuU.99

Here's another source:

With the launch of the Snapdragon 801, most Android phones absolutely destroy the iPhone 5S in terms of battery life. The One M8, Galaxy S5, Xperia Z2 and even the G3, with millions more pixels to drive, all exceed the battery life of the iPhone.

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/iphone-5s-1179315/review/15
 
Apple/Sony camera is better than Nokia !!!!!!

Where'e that Facepalm smile to? Oh and if that's the case, perhaps you can enlighten us all as to just why Apple hired Nokia Lumia PHOTOGRAPHY LEAD to work on the iPhone's camera then:

https://www.macrumors.com/2014/05/09/apple-hires-lumia-photography-lead/

Because according to you he is rubbish and Sony and Apple are much better...

You just went full :eek::p

Actually, Apple's market cap. Is 600+ billion, compared to not even 400 billion of Google. Add to that a fact that Apple has more than $160 billion in cash (would have had more than $200 billion if not for the stock buy back ) compared to $50 billion or so from Google...
I think you have no idea what your talking about:)

Apple's cash means jack, share holders don't care about that, as I read once someone stated if you want to invest in a corporation with giant cash piles invest in a Bank, not Apple.
And how does a market cap relate to the fact Googles share price is X times higher?

The iPhone battery has been better untill these huge oversize phones come out with enormous batteries. Wow what innovation. Like I said the increase in battery will still leave the iPhone in competition with everyone else without compromising the size which people do complain about. People want a good size screen without holding a ****ing brick in there hand.

Well.. the market and public prove you to be utterly wrong then don't they? Millions and millions and millions are buying bigger screen phones, it's the sole reason Apple are making bigger phones because the public don't want a tiny screen anymore. And if they launch a 5.5" iPhone what are YOU as in YOU going to say then? Backtrack and states how innovative a 5.5" 'iPhone brick' is?

hmmm...

Can you say 7 -1 stock split on 6/9/2014?

And really, number 7 or 8 position. According to what skewed numbers?

Well here in the UK we have two gadget tech magazines that sell very very well every month.

T3 places the iPhone 5S in 7th place:

http://www.t3.com/best-gadgets/smartphones

And Stuff places the iPhone 5S in 8th place:

http://www.stuff.tv/smartphones/top-ten

And people DO take notice of what these magazines say. That is joe public, and that is just an example of the printed press.

Techradar have it at number 9:
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...es-in-the-world-today-645440/2#articleContent
 
Wouldn't it be great if instead of the camera lens protruding, Apple made the entire phone 2 mm thicker and devoted all of that extra space (which would be roughly 25% more internal capacity) entirely to battery? That much extra battery, you would think, would increase the battery life by at least 50 to 60%.

Voice your opinion on this poll below (even if you think that's a terrible idea and he would rather have it be as thin as possible):

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5L2MR7Q
 
Where'e that Facepalm smile to? Oh and if that's the case, perhaps you can enlighten us all as to just why Apple hired Nokia Lumia PHOTOGRAPHY LEAD to work on the iPhone's camera then:

https://www.macrumors.com/2014/05/09/apple-hires-lumia-photography-lead/

Because according to you he is rubbish and Sony and Apple are much better...



Apple's cash means jack, share holders don't care about that, as I read once someone stated if you want to invest in a corporation with giant cash piles invest in a Bank, not Apple.
And how does a market cap relate to the fact Googles share price is X times higher?




Well.. the market and public prove you to be utterly wrong then don't they? Millions and millions and millions are buying bigger screen phones, it's the sole reason Apple are making bigger phones because the public don't want a tiny screen anymore. And if they launch a 5.5" iPhone what are YOU as in YOU going to say then? Backtrack and states how innovative a 5.5" 'iPhone brick' is?



Well here in the UK we have two gadget tech magazines that sell very very well every month.

T3 places the iPhone 5S in 7th place:

http://www.t3.com/best-gadgets/smartphones

And Stuff places the iPhone 5S in 8th place:

http://www.stuff.tv/smartphones/top-ten

And people DO take notice of what these magazines say. That is joe public, and that is just an example of the printed press.

Techradar have it at number 9:
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...es-in-the-world-today-645440/2#articleContent

Is this for serious??:confused:
 
The protruding camera isn't going to bother anyone that uses a case with the phone, since the case will absorb that added depth.

However, I don't think Steve Jobs would ever in a million years allow a protruding camera. It's exactly the kind of detail that sets Apple apart from it's competitors; to cross that line is to become one of them.
 
Dare I say that if the iPhone 6 has protruding camera and those ugly white bands, I will for the first time skip buying one. :eek: :confused: :(

I hated saying that. I want one, but ugly is ugly… Maybe a new iPhone 6C instead? :p
 
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