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Alternative Email Client Sparrow Acquired by Google
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Yup.
Yes, you are missing something. How did Google arrive at the decision to serve to that link?
Please let me know.
And YES, I use Google for search but little else. I'm not logged into any Google accounts when I do it, so my exposure is at least somewhat limited. I occasionally try Bing, but don't think much of it.
All of you non-Google-haters really seem to be missing the point here. Do you REALLY think it's okay for one company to have that level of control over everything you do? THAT is the point. I would LOVE to use a different search engine if there was room in the market for one to emerge and compete. It sure doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy about supporting a company that makes money marketing to whomever pays them.
Seriously people... a marketing company? And you're ALL good with that?
Yes, you are missing something. How did Google arrive at the decision to serve to that link?
Please let me know.
And YES, I use Google for search but little else. I'm not logged into any Google accounts when I do it, so my exposure is at least somewhat limited. I occasionally try Bing, but don't think much of it.
All of you non-Google-haters really seem to be missing the point here. Do you REALLY think it's okay for one company to have that level of control over everything you do? THAT is the point. I would LOVE to use a different search engine if there was room in the market for one to emerge and compete. It sure doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy about supporting a company that makes money marketing to whomever pays them.
Seriously people... a marketing company? And you're ALL good with that?
No I haven't. I'm not, as you label people, a "fanboy". I still use their search. It's still the best out there. I've limited my Gmail usage to non-personal email such as when I sign up for a service I may receive spam from. But what I am now is more conscious about using any of their other products and look for a better alternative first, which I usually can find.
Google typically has the most relevant search results at the top, otherwise they wouldn't be so popular. I browse with an adblocker so I don't even see the ads or sponsored links. I would prefer that google played middle man and sell advertisement slots to companies rather than all those respective companies having the raw information which would allow for a greater chance of security breach and further dissemination of information.
It's more of a lesser of two evils thing. The only way a search provider could avoid this is by paid search services.
That or you could avoid searching and just use URL's, but as mentioned previously in this thread Google Analytics will likely get you there too.
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How?
I'm sorry, this isn't an either/or proposition. You can begrudgingly use something because there are no other acceptable choices. Google controls the search engine market. It is very difficult for companies to compete against Google in its chosen markets since it gives away most of its products.
As someone else said, you aren't Google's customer. Advertisers are. You are Google's product.
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What exactly does Apple control?
I'm sorry, this isn't an either/or proposition. You can begrudgingly use something because there are no other acceptable choices. Google controls the search engine market. It is very difficult for companies to compete against Google in its chosen markets since it gives away most of its products.
As someone else said, you aren't Google's customer. Advertisers are. You are Google's product.
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What exactly does Apple control?
Why can't Apple just make a better mail app? I'd love to know what's so hard about it.
Who gets to determine what is relevant at Google? Who gets to determine what information should never show up in search results?
There's a lot of blind faith being placed in our information overlords. But yeah, they've got the market locked up tight... it'll be interesting to see if anyone can dethrone them in the next decade.
Does it really matter? If you don't like the source (URL) keep scrolling until you find a source you find adequate. Ironically enough, if many people do this - the result will move closer to the top.
I laugh at all the Google followers who love to take shots at the Apple users, calling them fanboys and poke fun of their "walled gardens" when in reality, they are the ones being "led on" by Google. Their entire OS is one big walled garden. If you want the latest androidOS, you have to buy a Nexus phone (walled garden). If not, you have to wait in line until your manufacturer says you can get it while you watch others use it freely. They don't care that 89% of Android users don't even have ICS yet and they are pushing out the Jellybean. They put out a fragmented product and don't care who does what with it.
Do you ever sit back and wonder if you're over-thinking all of this? I get it, there are security issues that may emerge, but with this type of attitude you end up with a tinfoil hat on.
If my buddy emails me about going to do something on July 22nd and Google suggests adding it to my calendar to remind me - great. No problems there. If Google reads my email and see's that I'm talking about real estate and they present a link to real estate, who cares? I use Google Chrome with minimalist to never see that ad. Google seems okay with me using that extension on their browser.
Perhaps they favor innovation more than marketing.
I was talking about Apple fanboys, not Google fanboys. But you, and everyone else here, is using Google. Maybe not every product they offer, but you are using their bread and butter - search. It all started with search.
You don't have to use Google Search. A small company out of Redmond has a search site. Check it out sometime.
I don't know. maybe they want to use their resources elsewhere. They obviously don't care about controlling every part of your experience as others do. Maybe they don't care if you use Sparrow of Outlook or Thunderbird. Maybe they really don't try to keep you "walled in" as people believe.
I don't believe you understand the premise of a walled garden. Android has a checkbox that allows 3rd party apps to be installed - no walled garden. You're even free to install custom versions of Android (ie. unofficial upgrades) on many devices (I'm not saying android is better, I prefer jailbroken iOS). iOS apps can only be downloaded/installed through Apple's Store = walled garden.
Why does it shock you that us Apple users are using a Google product? I also use Microsoft products and others. we aren't as close-minded as you are led to believe. As someone said, it's not all or nothing.
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Although I disagree with your assessment of apples walled garden (I can purchase a developer license and install whatever app I want on my own phone and 99 others bypassing apples app store). But to install custom versions of android, and your own apps (and correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not an android user) don't you need to root your phone, which in essence is the same as jailbreaking an iPhone? If not then why is only like 11% of the android population on ICS and above?
Well, since they make their money marketing, that's probably not the case. You might say they are innovating the process of marketing.
As for the tin foil hat? I don't sit up at night thinking about this. At all. I, in general, despise Google's product interfaces and have never understood how people sit and look at gmail. Eck. Even without the marketing angle, I really wouldn't even bother to look their direction beyond feeling an obligation to at least "try" some of their products.
I just tried printing from Chrome today and got the "Google" print dialog. Eck.
Bought a Dell streak 2 years ago. Eck.
Regardless, I am still bothered that a marketing company, of all things, garners any respect.
It's dated, I know, but:
https://www.privacyinternational.or...king-of-internet-service-companies/why-google
You are putting words in my mouth. Perhaps go back and read everything I've said in this thread. I believe I've been pretty consistent.
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Great app for the mac or pc. The powers that be are tracking every move you make online. Eliminate google from your life too.
http://www.abine.com/dntdetail.php?
Steve Jobs never ever accused Eric Schmidt of nothing.
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You don't have very clear the "walled garden" definition
That's a good read, thank you for the link.
For me, the conversation view in Gmail won me over in 2005 or whenever I started using it. The look of it is ... blah, but then again, I mostly use Mail.app to use it.
I don't mind Chrome with some extensions. I think it has more to do with using a PC at work and for whatever reason Firefox hasn't seemed right for a while and Safari is pretty brutal on Windows 7 so I just go with Chrome at work.
You don't have to be root to install applications not from Google Play and you don't have to be root to install other OS versions
Boggles the mind. I mean could they at least give us a select all option? Often times I have a lot of junk email I want to trash. Having to select each one individually vs having a select all checkbox that would select them all for you is so annoying.
I believe whether or not you can install 3rd party apps is the common definition for 'walled garden', or at least so I've read.
On android, the 3rd party app checkbox does not require a root, its just in regular settings afaik. In order to install custom versions of android I believe a root is required. I only have experience with my hp touchpad as an android device on ICS, which i believe would qualify as rooted. There's already videos of Jelly Bean on it, if the user cares enough - there is likely a way to upgrade many android devices (granted touchpad android development seems to move quickly).
No more changes for the iOS version
See the Verge. No new features for iOS, just bug fixes. New features on Android, presumably.
See the Verge. No new features for iOS, just bug fixes. New features on Android, presumably.
Hey I just think Apple's mail app could be better. Obviously they disagree and are putting their resources elsewhere. If its on improving Siri then I'll forgive them.
