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You know what Spotify doesn't reveal on that site? Their growth rate. When did their premium subscriber base start its best growth? Answer: in 2015 when Apple Music launched. And that growth curve has been maintained in the eight year period after the Apple Music launch. So any "hounding" that Apple did had nothing to do with Spotify significantly growing its monthly active users and it's premium users.The following is Spotify's version. They were hounded by Apple, but you will not know that because it was done in private.
Timeline - Time to Play Fair
www.timetoplayfair.com
Infographic: Spotify Closes in on 700M Active Users
This chart shows the long-term user growth of music streaming service Spotify.
www.statista.com
And that Play Fair site specifically shows that Spotify only used IAP for two years between 2014 and 2016. They had customers pay online prior to that and after that. So again, Vestager saying that consumers didn't have the choice to pay outside the app isn't supported by the evidence.
No. This isn't about Apple's ridiculous memory and storage prices, it's about the freedom to install the software of MY choosing on MY iPhone.
I think his point is that the financial app might be available only from an alternate app store. Say, for instance, the Citibank app might be available from only some third-party Appstore. What will the consumer do? The banks need not scrape any date. They legitimately collect all the information anyway to prevent fraud.
Of course not. I have used an Android phone occasionally the last few years. I only use Google’s app store and pretty much the same apps that I use on iOS. I’ve never had any issues with security. It’s not like Netflix and other big companies are just going to decide to add malware to their Android app just because it is Android.
You can delete 32 1st party apps.
Remove or delete apps from iPhone
Remove or delete apps from your iPhone. If you change your mind, you can download the apps again later.
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There is nothing that says that Spotify would not have grown at a better rate if Apple has not been so anticompetitive. Remember, Spotify grew even though it was 3 dollars per month more expensive than AM on app store, evne when the users had to go through hoops to get users to subscribe, whereas AM did not have to go throuh these steps. Imagine how much more Spotify could have grown if Apple had been fair?You know what Spotify doesn't reveal on that site? Their growth rate. When did their premium subscriber base start its best growth? Answer: in 2015 when Apple Music launched. And that growth curve has been maintained in the eight year period after the Apple Music launch. So any "hounding" that Apple did had nothing to do with Spotify significantly growing its monthly active users and it's premium users.
Infographic: Spotify Closes in on 700M Active Users
This chart shows the long-term user growth of music streaming service Spotify.
And that site specifically shows that Spotify only used IAP for two years between 2014 and 2016. They had customers pay online prior to that and after that. So again, Vestager saying that consumers didn't have the choice to pay outside the app isn't supported by the evidence.
Source: https://reciprocity.com/resource-ce...o, for example, if an,the GDPR will not apply.
There is a reason we don’t have a single unified Amazon.com store, Apple Store, Samsung, Microsoft, etc.
Laws are bound by borders. International Laws are ratified by all trading partners and they themselves have limitations to only those participating nations ratifying said laws.
My response was tied to the discussion about whether Microsoft or Apple were/are worse and the "argument" is that Microsoft (Windows/Windows devices) offered end users more flexibility than Apple (iOS devices).
As far as making choices, people buy products for a variety of reason but that doesn’t mean they have to like everything about the product they chose and can't view some aspects as a negative, unreasonable, etc. Just because someone bought an iPhone doesn't mean they didn't think the "closed system" was a negative, possibly anticompetitive, etc. or that they wouldn't want to see it opened up more.
That’s massively incorrect. They’re more insecure because of how they’re built. Modern mobile os’ are built upon a foundation of isolation - the sandbox being the most evident. They’re inherently more secure, it’s true. But it has nothing at all to do with how you install an app. It’s once the app is on the system and what the app has access to that brings the insecurities, along with due diligence of course.
This is dangerous. If someone installs a web browser, then travels - what happens when there is an exploit that needs to be patched? There have been security vulnerabilities in Safari, so let’s not pretend this doesn’t happen.
if you are relaying on the App store to keep you safe then you are making a huge mistake. It is far to easy to get a malouse app threw Apples review process and very easy to hide things.
If side loading make the OS less secure the to be blunt the OS is not secure at all. That means for security of apps the OS has issues.
Mac OS has allowed side loading for well ever. It is not over run by viruses and malware. Hell Unix and Linux both widely used as servers are not having issues with those items because the OS is more secure. Windows has security issues at the core that have been exploited for years and yes MS patches them and fixes them but that not the point. MS windows virus issues of the older version of windows was the OS issues not so much side loading.
I will repeat if your arugement that the App store makes you safe then I have some magic beans to sell you. There is a big differences between the App store and OS security. I honestly believe iOS is a fairly secure OS but if it requires the App store to say secure then it is less secure than Windows XP pre SP1.
Here's a link showing that Spotify communicated to customers in 2015 that they could pay $9.99 online. Again, this shows that Vestager claiming customers didn't have a choice isn't supported by the evidence. Spotify didn't use IAP prior to 2014 (so all the iOS subscribers were paying via web) and didn't use IAP after 2016 (same again). That's how they had 99% of their subscribers on iOS paying via the internet at the time of their complaint to the EU.
Spotify urges iPhone customers to stop paying through Apple’s App Store
The Apple Music rival sends out an anti-iTunes PSA
www.theverge.com
The iPhone is Apple's product that uses its own hardware and software. They have spent billions on developing the product, the App Store, developer APIs and marketing.
What right does anyone, including governments, have to say Apple how Apple does business, I don't hear customers complaining, it is companies like Spotify and Epic games that are complaining, because they have to pay commission on sales to Apple for using the App Store.
If Apple had not created the App Store they would not have made the profits that have done off Apple.
I have worked in the computer software industry for 30+ years and we had to give a minimum of 30% discount to resellers to sell our software. If we went through a large distributer it could be up to 60%.
Even if Apple had reduced their commission to say 10% the likes of Spotify and Epic would have still complained.
Well if you dont like paying commission to Apple stick to Android where you still have to pay commission and a larger market.
If iOs was on all the phone manufactures phone's then I could understand the complaints as they then would have have been another Microsoft in the respect of a monopoly.
I for one will not use third party stores, I want Apple's security.
What right does anyone, including governments, have to say Apple how Apple does business, I don't hear customers complaining, it is companies like Spotify and Epic games that are complaining, because they have to pay commission on sales to Apple for using the App Store.
If Apple had not created the App Store they would not have made the profits that have done off Apple.
I have worked in the computer software industry for 30+ years and we had to give a minimum of 30% discount to resellers to sell our software. If we went through a large distributer it could be up to 60%.
Even if Apple had reduced their commission to say 10% the likes of Spotify and Epic would have still complained.
Well if you dont like paying commission to Apple stick to Android where you still have to pay commission and a larger market.
If iOs was on all the phone manufactures phone's then I could understand the complaints as they then would have have been another Microsoft in the respect of a monopoly.
I for one will not use third party stores, I want Apple's security.
Hahaha. I love it! L-O-V-E! Finally, a company as petty as me.
Macpaw is supposed to comeup with an alternate app store. so is an enterprise-focused app marketplace from Mobivention. They will have better oversight because they may not have millions of apps.
In other words, they're not really competing with the App Store.
I am sure every drug cartel spends millions in developing their logistics and delivery systems. What right does a government have in telling them that what they are doing is illegal? /s
As I said it doesn't make sense to compare volumes across market segments. You might as well say Toyota is a failure because walking has a greater market share.
Then on the desktop, macOS is #2 behind Windows (#1). Linux is far behind both. In the US macOS's market share gain over the past 15 years has been significant. You can lookup the numbers on StatCounter for whichever period you want.
Linux and Windows dominate the server market.
Android and iOS dominate the mobile market.
Total units doesn't matter if they are not in the market you are targeting, which is based on how you are anticipating your buyers will use the product. Otherwise there would be Oracle Database Enterprise Edition for Android but not Solaris and AIX and full Adobe PhotoShop for Android but not macOS. But it is the opposite.
Similarly, Tableau Desktop targets Windows and macOS while Tableau Server targets Windows and Linux. Tableau Mobile targets Android and iOS. Clearly that company can build products for any platform they want and clearly they target different platforms based on popularity within the target segment.
So much hate for Apple in this thread. 
Just go with Android if you hate Apple policies and tactics so much. Seriously, they’re just phones. Why cares that much?
Just go with Android if you hate Apple policies and tactics so much. Seriously, they’re just phones. Why cares that much?
You are impressively dishonest.Here's a link showing that Spotify communicated to customers in 2015 that they could pay $9.99 online. Again, this shows that Vestager claiming customers didn't have a choice isn't supported by the evidence. Spotify didn't use IAP prior to 2014 (so all the iOS subscribers were paying via web) and didn't use IAP after 2016 (same again). That's how they had 99% of their subscribers on iOS paying via the internet at the time of their complaint to the EU.
Spotify urges iPhone customers to stop paying through Apple’s App Store
The Apple Music rival sends out an anti-iTunes PSA
The issue is that the information wasn’t allowed to be provided in the app.
It’s about the anti steering mechanism. And the need to go through technical hoops just to communicate with their users is unacceptable as we see with the 2billion euro fine.
It doesn’t matter at all where they had 99% of their subscribers at as the issue is the rules being anti competitive by effect irrespective of results
Ahh yes, comparing software to illegal drug trade that ACTUALLY puts lives and health at risk. That was probably the dumbest comparison you could've made.
Personally, I am quite happy to use only the iOS store, so I wouldn't care if it ever cme to the US. But Apple, if you have to do it, then do it. Stop putting all these little caveats on third parry store support. As Mr. Miyagi would have said, "Walk on road. Walk right side, safe. Walk left side, safe. Walk middle, sooner or later, you get squished just like grape. Here karate the same thing. Either you karate do, yes. Or karate do no. You do karate do “guess so”, squish, just like grape."
To get all Ghandi - "Hate the crime, not the criminal"So much hate for Apple in this thread.
The law is the law and they should do as the Roman’s do and stop being the special snowflakes they pretend they are.So much hate for Apple in this thread.
They aren’t a small little weak company anymore