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IF a consumer thought paying via the internet was too much of a hassle then they wouldn't have paid via a link or in-app communication either
You can't say that with absolute certainty. For one, the App Store is a centralized place for subscriptions, so while *I* personally wouldn't really care if I had to input my card details (as opposed to jusst scanning my face), someone else who is maybe less experience with tecnology would. Second, again, users prefer a frictionless experience. While I'm not aware of any scientific studies about it, it's been shown that even one more screen would dramatically increase the fallthrough rate in a purchase flow.
 
So installing Emulators, other software like AdGuard to have Ad Blocking Systemwise and not only in Safari and other Apps that in Apple's opinion are not good enough for their Business Model will be malicious in your opinion? Just curious, are you installing all your software through the AppStore on your Mac? In the end nobody forces you to install an application outside of Apple's AppStore. As a consumer and developer, I like having the freedom of choice.

No, but I wish I could.

I have to applications outside the Mac App Store, Microsoft Edge and a LDAP browser.
 
The thing is EU don’t care at all what Spotify can or can’t do outside iOS ecosystem. EU is concerned explicitly what Spotify and 100% of other companies can’t do inside apple’s ecosystem as is related to anti trust legislation.
I suppose that's possible but it would be a bizarre way to create legislation. "We don't care if Spotify was wildly successful with getting their iOS subscribers to pay via the internet. Lack of in-app communications that had absolutely no impact on Spotify's wild success must be the focus of our legislation".
 
The solution is not only based on IP location (in which case VPN would work). It also takes into consideration GPS signals, Wi-Fi hotspots, internet connections, cell sites, and Bluetooth. Basically all of Location Services is used to determine location. Even if you turn on Airplane Mode, you would have to enable WiFi to use a VPN, and the device would know where it is…
Yeah, your iPhone will let Apple know where you really are even if you’re using a VPN.
 
Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't have merit.
I proved it doesn't have merit.

ME: Spotify's premium subscription growth curve wasn't impacted by lack of in-app communication.

YOU: You're not recognizing that Spotify could have lost customers who didn't like the hassle of the internet.

ME: The hassle of the internet is the same regardless of whether there is in-app communication about it.

YOU: You can't say that with absolute certainty.

ME: Neither can you.

End result of that exchange is that the original comment about Spotify's subscription growth not being impacted by lack of in-app communication is correct.
 
I proved it doesn't have merit.

ME: Spotify's premium subscription growth curve wasn't impacted by lack of in-app communication.

YOU: You're not recognizing that Spotify could have lost customers who didn't like the hassle of the internet.

ME: The hassle of the internet is the same regardless of whether there is in-app communication about it.

YOU: You can't say that with absolute certainty.

ME: Neither can you.

End result of that exchange is that the original comment about Spotify's subscription growth not being impacted by lack of in-app communication is correct.
Except you argued:
Vestager and the EU are claiming that customers couldn't know that payments could be made on the internet. [...] So the claim by Vestager/EU isn't supported by 13 years of Spotify customers paying via the internet.
It's entirely possible that they didn't know that and just went with AM because it was easier. Could I have replied to the correct post? Sure. But it doesn't invalidate my argument.
 
That’s the point. You are attempting to create some fictional universe of disgruntled apple users who paid for apple
Music because they didn’t they could get Spotify for free.
"I'm not included in your category of users, therefore it doesn't exist." That's not how it works.
 
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Except you argued:

It's entirely possible that they didn't know that and just went with AM because it was easier. Could I have replied to the correct post? Sure. But it doesn't invalidate my argument.
It doesn't matter which post you replied to. You can't claim someone doesn't want to pay via the internet and then also claim Spotify could have signed that person up because the app told them to pay via the internet.
 
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You can't claim someone doesn't want to pay via the internet and then also claim Spotify could have signed that person up because the app told them to pay via the internet.
Way to take one example as my entire argument. I said:
how many people decided to just get Apple Music because they [...] didn't find the option to subscribe to Spotify in-app [...]?
Spotify could've most likely signed such a person up if the app had even notified them of the possibility to sign up online. Then I added:
the average user wants as frictionless an experience as possible.
Which an in-app link to the online "Subscribe" page could reasonably accomplish, while having to go to Spotify's home page, find the "subscribe" option, and then subscribing probably less so.

Sure, after you tell me how it doesn’t work.
I have.
 
Things like this are a big reason I am considering an android phone. Apple has become the huge monopoly they originally sought to disrupt. You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain.

That's what so many of us has been saying. Just buy an Android to get what you want.
But no, some of you insist on having iPhones.
 
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curious... why do you keep coming to Macrumors and commenting if you no longer have any Apple devices?
What? Someone can’t have an interest in a company without owning that company’s products? People can’t comment on things that happen in the world without experiencing them? People can’t denounce racist behavior unless they are the object of that behavior?

Why can’t this other poster come share his opinion here? Maybe his thoughts will help someone else or help others see new perspectives on Apple-related issues.
 
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