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No, it’s not, unless Apple is incompetent in how they sandbox apps. They appear to be able to handle it for web apps.

You have a very limited view on security.

The biggest security issue when you allow a lot of sources for software is the user. Sandboxing can't always protect the user from doing stupid things. That's the main security problem.
 
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Way to take one example as my entire argument. I said:

Spotify could've most likely signed such a person up if the app had even notified them of the possibility to sign up online. Then I added:

Which an in-app link to the online "Subscribe" page could reasonably accomplish, while having to go to Spotify's home page, find the "subscribe" option, and then subscribing probably less so.
Okay...you've got conjecture as your argument and I've got Spotify's actual growth curve for premium subscriptions.
 
You have a very limited view on security.

The biggest security issue when you allow a lot of sources for software is the user. Sandboxing can't always protect the user from doing stupid things. That's the main security problem.
That's true regardless of the entrypoint.
 
I hope that it works out and works better for the users than it does on Android. Outside of maybe games it is hard to imagine many apps choosing to not be on the Apple Store regardless of whether they are also in some other store. I am in the US and so it is mostly irrelevant for me, but based on my experience with third party stores on Android in the past I personally would be in no rush to want another App market on my phone unless it had exclusive rights to sell stuff that I could not get from the Apple Store. When I used Samsung phones I would have removed the Samsung store and only used Play if my phone would have allowed it.

In the US I really hope we get the third party browser engine support like the EU is getting. Third party stores to me are more of a negative than a benefit though and so I am not envious of that. Even if an app was cheaper in a third party store I would personally choose the convenience and seamless experience of the first party store.
 
I suppose that's possible but it would be a bizarre way to create legislation. "We don't care if Spotify was wildly successful with getting their iOS subscribers to pay via the internet. Lack of in-app communications that had absolutely no impact on Spotify's wild success must be the focus of our legislation".
Why? Anti trust legislation targets behavior. Harm isn’t needed to be proven, be the action is by definition defined as harmful irrespectively.

This legislation exists decades before Spotify was even considered as an idea, and close to half a century In the rome charters. Ani trust is enshrined in EUs constitution.

EU and USA have widely different views and standards for anti trust legislation and the intention of them.
 
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curious but…would you prefer an echo chamber of only agreements and supportive fan boys?

I think you should use the hardware and software you're discussing on a site like MacRumors.

These people are also angry at Apple. For their own mental health, they should stay away.
 
I think you should use the hardware and software you're discussing on a site like MacRumors.

I think people should not try to decide who gets to comment or discuss what topics.

Most of us here have some type of Apple product currently or have in the past, or might in the future
 
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It's not conjecture. It's actual behavioral analysis shared by the majority of user experience experts.
It's conjecture in terms of premium subscription sales lost. Spotify even specifically said in 2016 that the launch of Apple Music had increased their growth. 2016 was also the year they decided to end their two year experiment with IAP.
 
Okay you're right regarding work devices but please explain how will Adobe's creative suite or Microsoft's Visual Studio Code or Autodesk's AutoCAD will mess a private computer? See that's exactly my point, you are not feeling safe installing something outside of Apple's AppStore, that's fine with me and I respect it but just because you can install software outside of Apple's Store on your Mac doesn't mean that your Mac is less secure or someone forces you to do so.

The difference is that on a Mac, you install just a few number of software applications, mostly from the usual suspects like Adobe, Microsoft etc.

On smartphones people install hundreds of apps during a few years of usage. I'm not a big app user and I don't play games, but I still have 84 apps on my iPhone.

What if I had to download hundreds of apps from 100 websites if true side loading was accepted?


Regular users would be fooled, just like they are on the Mac or on Windows.
 
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the thing I don't understand are normal users who find different excuses to justify it and denying that it has to do with revenue.

I don't care what reasons Apple have, I just support Apple because I want the same as them but for different reasons.
 
EU Citizens have the rights under GDPR regardless of where they are currently based I.e you don’t lose your right to be forgotten while travelling

Collecting data about EU citizens applies even if that data was collected in a non-eu country.
Has there been much success taking on China or the US in this regard?
 
They make 90's Microsoft look like the care bears.
I think your memory is a bit selective. Microsoft did not own the hw, they did not manufacture anything else but their pretty good ps2 mouse back then, yet they used their influence to prohibit bundling non-Microsoft-supplied software (such as netscape navigator) with PCs sold by independent third parties. I fail to realise any kind of correlation between the two cases.
 
It's conjecture in terms of premium subscription sales lost. Spotify even specifically said in 2016 that the launch of Apple Music had increased their growth. 2016 was also the year they decided to end their two year experiment with IAP.
All I'm saying is that there is no way to know how much more or less Spotify would've grown, if at all, if Apple hadn't enacted their anti-steering practices. That doesn't sound so trascendental or radical to me.
 
I'm certain, that's what Tim Cook and other execs at Apple think. But how do you know if consumers are really aware of this aspect of iOS. Maybe they buy iPhones because it's a fashion statement, because of blue chat bubbles, or because they think the camera is great, or maybe because they perceive it as a means to belong to an in group?

iOS has soon existed for 17 years. This is very well known by almost all users who buy iPhones.

I mean the younger generations don't even know how a file system works.
 
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The iPhone is Apple's product that uses its own hardware and software. They have spent billions on developing the product, the App Store, developer APIs and marketing.

What right does anyone, including governments, have to say Apple how Apple does business, I don't hear customers complaining, it is companies like Spotify and Epic games that are complaining, because they have to pay commission on sales to Apple for using the App Store.

If Apple had not created the App Store they would not have made the profits that have done off Apple.

I have worked in the computer software industry for 30+ years and we had to give a minimum of 30% discount to resellers to sell our software. If we went through a large distributer it could be up to 60%.

Even if Apple had reduced their commission to say 10% the likes of Spotify and Epic would have still complained.
Well if you dont like paying commission to Apple stick to Android where you still have to pay commission and a larger market.

If iOs was on all the phone manufactures phone's then I could understand the complaints as they then would have have been another Microsoft in the respect of a monopoly.

I for one will not use third party stores, I want Apple's security.
Stop using logic and common sense.
 
But they have to honor the terms of service. A contract is a contract.

They can cancel the contract, but that would be a mess, because it would mean that all your subscriptions would stop as well. What a mess.
This happens already. Just try moving countries and see what happens to your music and apps if you change the nationality of the Apple Store you use....
 
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That’s massively incorrect. They’re more insecure because of how they’re built. Modern mobile os’ are built upon a foundation of isolation - the sandbox being the most evident. They’re inherently more secure, it’s true. But it has nothing at all to do with how you install an app. It’s once the app is on the system and what the app has access to that brings the insecurities, along with due diligence of course.

Sandboxing don't protect against a user doing stupid things.

Security is more than just protecting something technically.
 
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And here is where your entire argument breaks down. In software for anything BUT iOS if you want to self publish and distribute you can keep all that money. You have the choice in what disturber/ publisher you want.

The underlying issue is for iOS the ONLY option is to threw Apple and pay those fees. The App store is not the problem, being require to use the App store along with some very heavy handed greed control by Apple is the issue.

It's not problem for me as a user. It's only a problem for developers which I don't care about.

One great thing about iOS is you can use Apple as a shield against the developer, protecting you from the developer. ¨
 
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This happens already. Just try moving countries and see what happens to your music and apps if you change the nationality of the Apple Store you use....
It's a PITA already, I know. Fortunately I never had the need to change the region of my account.

But as long as you don't change the region in account settings, there is little ground for Apple to change the terms and consequently disable alt-app-store access, just because your phone is outside of the EU.
 
Tell the EU you want them to crack down harder on you without telling them you want them to crack down harder on you. Delivering an absolutely **** user experience just pisses off your users Apple... and eventually the EU will call out your tantrum.
Apple is known to deliver crap user experience in order to protect their products. Look at them still using SMS/MMS instead of adopting RCS. It's a crap experience for their own users, all in the name of greed.
 
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