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I don't think (and hope) that there will be a black (imac like) border around the screen.
Apple launched the macbook Air this year and they did it without the black border.
So why launch, in the same year, redesigned macbooks and macbook pro's with it? Doesn't make allot of sense to me, especially if they are trying to put all their laptops in line concerning design.
 
The last time I checked, there are plenty of hard drives still being sold with FW400 ports, and plenty of DV cameras with the same -- so I hardly consider that connection to be "legacy" yet. Yes, I know there are adapters out there for these devices. I know that both ports are still on the same bus, which limits the bandwidth available. But if you've ever tried to edit video on a Mac Pro with both a camera/deck and storage hooked up at the same time then you know what I'm talking about: you NEED those extra ports. What's the point of shaving off a few ounces of weight by eliminating a port or two if I need to pack an extra .5 lbs. of adapters in my bag anyway? I'm paying for a PRO machine, I'd like all the features I need for Pro work, weight be damned.

I'd assume there will be two FireWire 800 ports, and two USB ports on the 15". And I agree, Apple better not drop ports to the simplicity of the MacBook Air - the Pro laptop is a 'Pro' laptop because of what it is used for, and unless you can use it for 'Pro' stuff, a lot of which require a few port connections, then it isn't a Pro laptop.

I have a FireWire 400 mixer/recording unit, along with a FireWire 800 hard drive I use to store lots of loops and other bits and bobs. That is two ports right away I need, and as you said, a hub would not be good enough because of bandwidth strains.
 
What's the point of shaving off a few ounces of weight by eliminating a port or two if I need to pack an extra .5 lbs. of adapters in my bag anyway? I'm paying for a PRO machine, I'd like all the features I need for Pro work, weight be damned.

My thoughts exactly. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd be willing to bet most people who use the MBP for professional work, myself included, don't really care about shaving off a few inches, they'd like to have a machine that does what they need it to do. And like you said, what's the point of shaving off a few inches when you have to carry tons of adapters?
 
taking the LED screen from the macbook air will make it cutting edge but Steve Jobs always has other ideas up his sleeve. he'll find some way to make it even better by next year.:apple:

Actually, you can get a 13 inch led that has the resolution of my 15 inch MBP. The Air-Led is hardly "cutting edge" by any means.
 
why the hell would they freaking remove the dual link port, that part just does not make any sense to me. One of the great benefits to getting a macbook pro is the ability to have a second monitor.
 
'cause photoshop is easier than finalcut. :)

There was a great spoof on www.inews3.com where they managed to get the name of anybody embedded in the video (on buses, tattooed to someone back, etc) in 3D, in realtime. Some idiot forced this to be pulled off due to copy-right reasons. So yes, it's possible to do video-spoof also.
 
The angle/position the guy is holding the camera vs the angle of the picture is not correct. He is holding the camera much higher than the picture is relative to the macbook. With that said, I like the design minus the unuseable trackpad.

My god you are right!! i didn't notice that. nice eye for detail! :D kudos!

also the curve edge is way to rounded to make it attractive is not entirely unfeasible to have connectors on that side. also having the dock in the track pad makes absolutely no sense.
 
why the hell would they freaking remove the dual link port, that part just does not make any sense to me. One of the great benefits to getting a macbook pro is the ability to have a second monitor.

... without the need for a special adapter.

Seriously, if they do hobble the machine, you might as well buy a MacBook. It won't be that much different.
 
With the debate about whether the new macbooks should have optical drives or not, I wouldnt be opposed to Apple implementing something like HP has on their towers with the removable hard drives. Apple could do something similar and have and empty bay and then give users the ability to buy a second hard drive or a combodrive, or something else to put into that empty bay
 
Hi
Fanboy to the core huh?
Sorry to say but apart from looks there's ********s better laptops in the market for far less price.
It's just none of them has the Apple loge so people like you can't see them.
Show me. :) Some have only 10/100 Ethernet, no slot load drive, usually really low end C2Ds or even just Pentium dual-cores or whatever they call them. Apple products have a bit of a premium but no where near what some PC fanboys would like to believe.

Though, that combo drive comment is pretty true. :)
 
Originally Posted by tivoboy
All I can say is PLEASE NO don't put only glossy glass screens on these devices. If they are glossy only MBP's people just will not buy them.


Definitely. If the MBP line goes glossy-only, I might have to reconsider my next computer purchase. As a graphic designer, I'd find it extremely annoying dealing with the glossy screen - but who knows if that'd make me overcome my love of OSX. :)

Let's just hope they find a way to do the black screen bezel and maintain the matte finish. I do really like the look of the iMacs.

another one here for a matte screen. i have a lenovo with a glossy screen and although it's not that bad i strongly prefer matte. if i buy a MB for $1000 then i might accept a glossy screen. but if i go for a $2000 MBP then i want a great screen that i really like.

if they only offer glossy then i most likely won't buy a MBP.

maybe i settle for a MB or stick with my PB G4 and my Lenovo and wait for the next release.

i'm surprised that apple still doesn't offer a matte/glossy option for MB and MBA.
 
Maybe I'm speaking for a small number of Pro users here, but I NEED the extra Firewire ports on my Pro laptop! I've held on to my G4 Powerbook for so long because it has the ports I need -- and have used A LOT -- in my business: FW400 for cameras and drives, FW800 for high speed storage and PC Card slot for Panasonic P2 cards. Some of my colleagues got burned on the very first Macbook Pro because it only had FW400 and there were few ExpressCard adapters available; Apple must have gotten some grief over that model because the next version had FW800 again. Now if these specs on the new model are true, it sounds like we're jumping right back into the same mess.

The last time I checked, there are plenty of hard drives still being sold with FW400 ports, and plenty of DV cameras with the same -- so I hardly consider that connection to be "legacy" yet. Yes, I know there are adapters out there for these devices. I know that both ports are still on the same bus, which limits the bandwidth available. But if you've ever tried to edit video on a Mac Pro with both a camera/deck and storage hooked up at the same time then you know what I'm talking about: you NEED those extra ports. What's the point of shaving off a few ounces of weight by eliminating a port or two if I need to pack an extra .5 lbs. of adapters in my bag anyway? I'm paying for a PRO machine, I'd like all the features I need for Pro work, weight be damned.

D:mad:

I hear ya bro, me to love FW long time :)
 
i am guessing that by eliminating ports and having fewer simpler ones jobs is trying to lead the way in standardizing ports
 
Every software installation I do is downloaded from the net. And I don't burn DVDs or CDs ever, nor do I imagine most people do. So why do most people need to carry a burner around every time they want take their computer somewhere? Just in case they need to burn a DVD at the coffee shop? Do you carry blank DVDs with you everywhere you go?

Do you need a DVD burner in your iPhone? Why does it need to be an integral part of your computer instead of something that you can plug in when (or if) you ever need it.

I bet the same will happen with dial-up modems.
 
Another bit of insanity if it is true that they remove the FW400 port. I and folks I work with need the FW 400 for the many devices that we use: External HD (lots), external disc burners, and FW 400 DV Camera connections.

Removing the connector from the model that allegedly is aimed at folks who use that connector in real life is major design insanity. WWTH?
Means that in addition to buying the product, we will now have to buy extra dongles and adapters (which are often the connection fail points, in my experience). More money, more devices to break or lose track of.

Another example of how apple constantly takes at least one step backwards with every step forwards. Historically this continues to be Apple's design development process. Makes me sad, for the tech company and product that I like the best. :(

(in my nightmares I imagine a day that Steve-O removes all device ports and plugs and maybe even the keyboard and mouse because he deems them unsightly... ;)

re. the person above who state they never burn a CD or DVD and thus assumes no one else needs to -- I work with several organizations who use CD, DVD media constantly - for data, for video, for project proposals, for media distribution, for data archiving - trust me, many actually do use CD and DVD burners on their computer regularly.
 
Re: drive bays

With the debate about whether the new macbooks should have optical drives or not, I wouldnt be opposed to Apple implementing something like HP has on their towers with the removable hard drives. Apple could do something similar and have and empty bay and then give users the ability to buy a second hard drive or a combodrive, or something else to put into that empty bay


Look up the old Powerbook G3 models (Pismo and Lombard). 2 bays, options for batteries, floppy drives, Zip drives, DVD players, CD burners, etc. They've already been there and moved on. I do miss that kind of flexibility (especially TWO batteries) but it was a beast, 7+ pounds. Plus lots of extra drive modules in your bag, back to the same issue of carrying extra kit.

I don't think there's a practical way to include removable modules anymore without bulking up the case (adding weight and girth). Besides, other than more storage there just aren't enough alternate disk formats worth having a module bay for. Build-to-order Blu-ray maybe, but not as a swappable drive.
 
I'm thinking if they make the MBP too much like the MB (similar look, similar kinds of ports), they'll probably end up cannibalizing sales of the MBP. People will just buy the MB and get an external monitor if need be - since the only big difference at that point will be the screen size.
 
How about everybody gets really worked up about this stuff.

"why did they remove X"
"I can't believe they got rid of X"
"Why do they not have X on a pro machine"

People, it's just rumors, may not be true. Once these are actually released and if the ports in question are not there then whine all you want. But 1) none of this has been verified and 2) we get the point, you like your ports
 
Look up the old Powerbook G3 models (Pismo and Lombard). 2 bays, options for batteries, floppy drives, Zip drives, DVD players, CD burners, etc. They've already been there and moved on. I do miss that kind of flexibility (especially TWO batteries) but it was a beast, 7+ pounds.

Er, ALL laptops back then weighed a tonne. By comparison, the pismo was actually not that heavy.

Plus lots of extra drive modules in your bag, back to the same issue of carrying extra kit.
I never carried any of the modules with me. I chose before I went. Usually I just had double batteries.
 
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