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My eyes! The Googles do nothing! :D

Sounds like a lot of consumers crying about what they want a PRO laptop to be. Nimrods speaking about taking out the optical drive and making the books thinner. :rolleyes:

Typical Apple consumers that don't do much work I say. Give me a real laptop that IS NOT thinner, but packs in just as much power.
[sarcasm]I'm sure a thinner professional laptop without an optical drive is definitely the way to go.[/sarcasm]
 
If you want the whole picture, the fact is Apple could cut MBP prices in half and turn a profit.

And your reply ignored my complete rebuttal to your idea that the HP cost "$2100", because it didn't. You ignore the facts when they don't help you.

OS X costs Apple nothing. They've far recovered their costs of development by now. The only thing that costs Apple is the hardware, the same of which sells by other manufacturers for a profit for half the price. Simple conclusion? Apple is charging twice the price as other manufacturers for similar hardware. I even rebutted your idea that the HP was "3 pounds heavier" by simply taking 30 seconds to realize it was only 0.8 pounds heavier.

Stop ignoring the facts and open your eyes.

Well I went back and used the model you selected and I still came up with $1800.00. I had to upgrade the processor, GPU memory, Bluetooth wireless-N, display to match standard 17" resolution, I also upgraded to Vista ultimate to match OS X features, I also chose lowest PC offerings for iapps bundle.

Granted the 17" MBP is currently over-priced but it is also due for an update. I would bet that when the new model is released the specs will be substantially updated for the same price. The worst time to do a PC vs. mac cost comparison is 2 weeks before the next update. Let's compare once the update is out.

My bet is that there will be a $200 - $300 difference for similarly configured laptops and yet the MBP will still be more portable, elegant, reliable, and it runs OS X.

Look, I think that Sony, HP, and Lenova make some nice laptops. Some of them are extremely value packed. But I prefer to run OS X, and I have literally thousands of dollars in mac software. I love my Mac Pro and I love my past powerbooks, I also love Apple quality and design. My latest PB is getting long in tooth and I am dying for a nice MBP update.
 
great stuff, I am going to upgrade to a new Macbook Pro in January, I should get a christmas bonus, and I think I will spend it on a new laptop to upgrade from my Alu Powerbook G4 1.25Ghz, it served me well, and still does, but it's time for a more powerful machine now :) Oh mr Jobs, Quadcore processors please :) :apple:

I have the same Powerbook G4 and I'm thinking it might finally be time to upgrade especially if they drop the price a little.
 
Well I went back and used the model you selected and I still came up with $1800.00. I had to upgrade the processor, GPU memory, Bluetooth wireless-N, display to match standard 17" resolution, I also upgraded to Vista ultimate to match OS X features, I also chose lowest PC offerings for iapps bundle.

Granted the 17" MBP is currently over-priced but it is also due for an update. I would bet that when the new model is released the specs will be substantially updated for the same price. The worst time to do a PC vs. mac cost comparison is 2 weeks before the next update. Let's compare once the update is out.

My bet is that there will be a $200 - $300 difference for similarly configured laptops and yet the MBP will still be more portable, elegant, reliable, and it runs OS X.

Look, I think that Sony, HP, and Lenova make some nice laptops. Some of them are extremely value packed. But I prefer to run OS X, and I have literally thousands of dollars in mac software. I love my Mac Pro and I love my past powerbooks, I also love Apple quality and design. My latest PB is getting long in tooth and I am dying for a nice MBP update.
I agree with you entirely. Now if Apple only gave us a few more options.

People are more then willing to pay for options.
 
Sounds like a lot of consumers crying about what they want a PRO laptop to be. Nimrods speaking about taking out the optical drive and making the books thinner. :rolleyes:

Typical Apple consumers that don't do much work I say. Give me a real laptop that IS NOT thinner, but packs in just as much power.

but with good battery life. Sony's new 16" laptop has up to 5 hours of battery life. You can upgrade the battery and get up to 8 hours of battery life. Not that bad. Keep in mind to, the 16" family takes over the 15.4" family. The new 18" laptops will feature the same old 2.5 - 3 hours. (by the way sony's new 18" laptop can have up to 1TB of storage. Seriously. click the link)

for me, I want a smaller screen, but still packed with performance. I have a 24" HP LCD that I can hook the computer up to if I want a large screen.
 
I agree with you entirely. Now if Apple only gave us a few more options.

People are more then willing to pay for options.

Agreed!!

The one thing that has always annoyed me with Apple and SJ, is that they think they know better than I do what I want or need. Sometimes I would love to have more options and I don't think that I am alone on this.
 
Agreed!!

The one thing that has always annoyed me with Apple and SJ, is that they think they know better than I do what I want or need. Sometimes I would love to have more options and I don't think that I am alone on this.

Apple gives you tons of options! You can have your MacBook in white OR black. Sheeze, what more could you ask for?
 
Agreed!!

The one thing that has always annoyed me with Apple and SJ, is that they think they know better than I do what I want or need. Sometimes I would love to have more options and I don't think that I am alone on this.
My common question here is trading CPU clock speed for GPU options for the MacBook. GPUs are quite popular! :D

Apple gives you tons of options! You can have your MacBook in white OR black. Sheeze, what more could you ask for?
Ah yes, color. The most important feature of a computer.
 
Sheesh, how did this thread get to 28 pages already!

Here I am on my G4 PB chugging away... I could really use a nice 13" aluminium MB right now:)
 
but with good battery life. Sony's new 16" laptop has up to 5 hours of battery life. You can upgrade the battery and get up to 8 hours of battery life. Not that bad. Keep in mind to, the 16" family takes over the 15.4" family. The new 18" laptops will feature the same old 2.5 - 3 hours. (by the way sony's new 18" laptop can have up to 1TB of storage. Seriously. click the link)

for me, I want a smaller screen, but still packed with performance. I have a 24" HP LCD that I can hook the computer up to if I want a large screen.

Nice indeed. Truly wonderful specs, especially given that the new CS4 Production Suite and Encore DVD would work that Blu-Ray drive nicely. After looking at the dimensions though, the thing weighs 9lbs. and is about an inch and a half thick.

Not that I am complaining.... OH NO! It just reaffirms my desire to NOT have the MBPs any thinner than they are now. Keep them 1" and put in the the same tech that this sweet sony has....

Hey Steve! I can run CS4 and Lightroom on the PC, not as well as I can Aperture and Final Cut, but I can revert back to my headache days for top of the line tech.
 
Apple gives you tons of options! You can have your MacBook in white OR black. Sheeze, what more could you ask for?

gee I dont know, more spec options.... Colors are nothing. People care for specs not a pink laptop
 
gee I dont know, more spec options.... Colors are nothing. People care for specs not a pink laptop

time for new batteries in the sarcasm detector?

or are you in one of "those" moods tonight?:p
 
Nice indeed. Truly wonderful specs, especially given that the new CS4 Production Suite and Encore DVD would work that Blu-Ray drive nicely. After looking at the dimensions though, the thing weighs 9lbs. and is about an inch and a half thick.

Not that I am complaining.... OH NO! It just reaffirms my desire to NOT have the MBPs any thinner than they are now. Keep them 1" and put in the the same tech that this sweet sony has....

Hey Steve! I can run CS4 and Lightroom on the PC, not as well as I can Aperture and Final Cut, but I can revert back to my headache days for top of the line tech.

I would never go back to that size. I have my 24" LCD for that. I also want more then 2.5 hours of battery life.

Again, those were sony. We all know Sony. You get what you pay for and its expensive yes, but you get great qualty parts. We got the high end blu-ray player from the Sony style store at the mall. $1399. Crazzy? yes, but its well worth it.

I own 4 USB flash drives by sony. Best flash drives I ever used. Sony is a great component and I would say they are just like apple expect apple doesnt have TV/movie studios make blu-ray players or plasma TVs cameras or camcorders. Other then that they are the same
 
Look, I think that Sony, HP, and Lenova make some nice laptops. Some of them are extremely value packed. But I prefer to run OS X, and I have literally thousands of dollars in mac software. I love my Mac Pro and I love my past powerbooks, I also love Apple quality and design.

I like my mac pro too, it was cheap workstation hardware. Everything else seems to be overpriced to me. I certainly don't rate apples quality, and despise the 'standard procedure' of taking out an extended warranty - making money the same way as every other highstreet electronics shop. I like some of the designs from the 1000s of other choices there are.

If you've thrown your morals (the license agreement anyway) out of the window you can run osx almost(or) perfectly on any recent machine with the countless advantages that brings. The temptation is high to vote with my wallet until the pricing is more sensible.
 
time for new batteries in the sarcasm detector?

or are you in one of "those" moods tonight?:p

I'm one of those who tells it like it is. Some people could care less for those "nano" colors on the laptop. I rather have the allumanm or a glossy sliver/black. Matte is so 1993
 
Look, I think that Sony, HP, and Lenova make some nice laptops. .

HP and sony are in the lead for best designs. I like their looks better then Apple's looks. Sure apple's are all clean. No flasy lights or buttons. But for an extream multimedia machine, you want it to have some class.

Dont get me worng, the current gen. imac is by far the best looking mac EVER. I really hope they use this design on other products. The air could have had a black glossy bezel but chose not to.
 
I'm soooooooo excited. They're going to be sooooo cool :D :D :D. I'm going to miss the blackbook though, that was sextastic and HOT.
 
Booting from FW800 is buggy and not-reliable. Which doesn't make sense because FW400 is amazing. I have several drives that are external and have both ports and several macs that have both ports and FW800 does not boot quickly or work as well. It is possible, but not as reliable as 400.
Hmm. The FW 800 port on my MBP works just as reliable as my FW400 port, and boots, as I said, splendidly.

If it is backwards compatible w/ 400 then this should be moot.
Er, it has always been backwards compatible.


You could easily have said the same about multitouch gestures rather than good old point and click.

No I couldn't. And I didn't.


I thought the Lombard was light at first too, but after a few months of carrying it around my back told me otherwise; I never owned a PC laptop to compare it to, but there are still some beasts out there NOW (Dell Precision M6400: 8.5 lbs.) And I was never sure what modules would come in handy so I would usually pack the Zip module (remember those?) and the DVD-ROM and the battery, just to be sure. Add in the yo-yo adapter brick and it all adds up to something I don't want to go back to.

True. In that case I understand. :)


Yeah, and the really funny thing is that seconds after the new model with the glass trackpad is released, everyone will

1) Download the Apple Store demo.
2) Rush to their nearest Apple store [if available] to check it out in person.
3) Either purchase immediately or drool and pout that they can't afford one right now!
No I wouldn't. Just like I never bought an iPhone or iPod Touch, nor rushed anywhere to see it, I didn't pout, nor will I in this case, as I can afford things like this, nor will I drool over a glass trackpad anymore than I drool over over glossy screens (which leaves my mouth empty, to stay with the imaging).
 
I like some of sony designs, the new vaio TT looks quite nice (apart from the silver bits).
I'd buy the best hardware that suited me though and as much as I despise sony for all they've done to consumer electronics (since their crts), I'd include them in my list.
Luckily they're also overpriced, overrated and have utterly awful keyboards (that I've seen), so I'm ok!
 
I'm one of those who tells it like it is. Some people could care less for those "nano" colors on the laptop. I rather have the allumanm or a glossy sliver/black. Matte is so 1993

allumanm? really?


aluminum maybe?

personally i would love to see the laptops in awesome colors PLUS the awesome specs.
 
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Omg! Look @ the trackpad :eek:
 
I am constantly amazed by people who say that software (in this case OS X) "costs" nothing because the company has already made a profit on it. This is pure ignorance of accounting. Just because one can "print" copies for nearly free doesn't mean that it doesn't cost anything. Once you break even (i.e. you have covered the weighted head costs (salary plus overhead) of the developers and QA test teams, the costs of support, and the other overhead and shipping and various costs, it doesn't mean that (a) it's free or (b) you are supposed to give it away for free.

Microsoft doesn't start giving it's OS away for free once it's sold enough copies to break even. Why do some expect, nay, demand that Apple do the same?

I'm not a fanboy, but I am a fan. I have a Windows server in the garage, and use Windows and OS X all day at work. I hesitate to use (again) the ubiquitous "car analogy" so I'll try to put it another way: Just because many things are made from commodity parts doesn't mean that they should cost the same. The seller can demand any price they want, and whether it's by marketing and cachet (perceived value) or by demonstrable benefits, they can charge more then the guy across the street, they have the right to do so.

Who generates more profit, the owner of a hoppin burger joint that peaks at noon and 6pm, or the owner of the fancy restaurant that has expensive overhead and only does business during the evenings? Actually, they may both be making a good profit: Some people are buying good, but cheap food and others are getting their value from the dining experience. Good for BOTH owners, good for BOTH consumers. That's freedom of choice, in action.
 
Im curious as to what you think the touch needed? Im in love with my 1st gen and i cant really think of anything else Id want, that cant be added through mere updates or a bit of jailbreakery
What about GPS? A camera?

SDHC and/or CF slot? IR? Bluetooth? Swapable battery?

Omg! Look @ the trackpad :eek:

We know. It's amazing how good that "screen" is even when looked on from almost horisontal ...


I am constantly amazed by people who say that software (in this case OS X) "costs" nothing because the company has already made a profit on it. This is pure ignorance of accounting. Just because one can "print" copies for nearly free doesn't mean that it doesn't cost anything. Once you break even (i.e. you have covered the weighted head costs (salary plus overhead) of the developers and QA test teams, the costs of support, and the other overhead and shipping and various costs, it doesn't mean that (a) it's free or (b) you are supposed to give it away for free.

Microsoft doesn't start giving it's OS away for free once it's sold enough copies to break even. Why do some expect, nay, demand that Apple do the same?

I'm not a fanboy, but I am a fan. I have a Windows server in the garage, and use Windows and OS X all day at work. I hesitate to use (again) the ubiquitous "car analogy" so I'll try to put it another way: Just because many things are made from commodity parts doesn't mean that they should cost the same. The seller can demand any price they want, and whether it's by marketing and cachet (perceived value) or by demonstrable benefits, they can charge more then the guy across the street, they have the right to do so.

Who generates more profit, the owner of a hoppin burger joint that peaks at noon and 6pm, or the owner of the fancy restaurant that has expensive overhead and only does business during the evenings? Actually, they may both be making a good profit: Some people are buying good, but cheap food and others are getting their value from the dining experience. Good for BOTH owners, good for BOTH consumers. That's freedom of choice, in action.


That's a great example, except that both "restaurants" are burger joints selling the exact same burger, only one of them have a different colour of dressing on it.
 
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