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Optical aren't really "pro" either. Neither is gaming, for that matter.

What's un-pro about an optical drive? I receive CDs and DVDs of images from photogrpahers and clients all the time, and use DVD archives to store past projects. Also, software usually comes on CDs. There are many reasons a professional machine should have an optical drive.

In my opinion, a "pro" machine means being as practical as possible in a professional environment, meaning connectivity for all kinds of devices and media that you'd need to do your job.
 
I'm sitting here with a pro in my lap, and know everything that is has, and use every bit of it. So you don't need to really educate me.
Well, apparently you figured optical was "pro" and the reason? Well, you use it for gaming. Yup. That was the argumentation. So far, it seems you use the "pro" features for gaming and consumer stuff. It's no wonder you figure it doesn't matter if they in effect half the number of fw ports. I wonder if you also think they should nix the express card slot or line-in?

I'm just considering the pros and cons of the suggested I/O change, and can live without a FW400 if it can effect the footprint, but only in a significant matter. I use the 800 a lot more than the 400.

You may do that, but that doesn't mean that it would be better to nix the fw400 port on a cimputer with a FW400 AND a FW800 port, because "FW800" is better. That's is pure nonsensical argumentation.

On another note, an HDMI would be handy. But I personally(I'm not forgetting about the masses this is just my input), it wouldn't be a big deal for it. I set up DVI to my HDTV, and go plug my audio straight into my sound system.

I don't use external screens a lot, but I certainly think they should a) keep the option of connecting an external screen, and b) go HDMI (unless more pros use DVI, of course).
 
What's un-pro about an optical drive? I receive CDs and DVDs of images from photogrpahers and clients all the time, and use DVD archives to store past projects. Also, software usually comes on CDs. There are many reasons a professional machine should have an optical drive.
I may be mistaken, but I thought he was talking about "optical outputs" as opposed to "coaxial". :p

In my opinion, a "pro" machine means being as practical as possible in a professional environment, meaning connectivity for all kinds of devices and media that you'd need to do your job.

Same here.
 
MBPs
Core2duo T9600 2.8Ghz 6MB L2 cache
4GB RAM
nvidia 9600M GT with 512MB

at this setup (if it does come out), would the macbook pro be a better performer than the 2.8ghz imac that's out right now with 8800gs card and 4gigs of ram?
 
I guarantee you there will be no split trackpad. Happy to take bets on that one if anybody wants.

Note making any speculation on IF :apple: will do a split trackpad, but they certainly could do something like the existing mighty mouse where it is not physically split, it just registers a "right-click" if you click on that side.

Not sure what apple's aversion to the right-click is, but I do get pissed when people say that it does not have one. I for one LOVE the two-finger tap method for a right click currently on the MacBooks...
 
Info Please

Does anyone know when are these coming out? I have been without a computer for a month waiting con the new MBP.
 
here is my amature prediction

october laptops
all with alum
entry level specs stay the same and get a SSD and a small price increace
other macbook gets 2.5 ghz 300 GB hard drive and small grafics card
mac pro up to 8 gig ram and 2.6 entry ghz up to 2.8 500 GB hard drive with 350 7200 rpm option
november small spec increaces in other computers
january a major over haul hopefully tablet game system the imac needs to be able to have 8 gigs of ram and the pro gets speed bumps

just had fun doing this prob am wrong
dude the laptops arent selling with the specs they have now, what makes you think they will sell with a price increase and cheaper to produce (aluminum)???
 
I'm just considering the pros and cons of the suggested I/O change, and can live without a FW400 if it can effect the footprint, but only in a significant matter. I use the 800 a lot more than the 400.

The pertinent question was posed on page one: "How can removing a port effect the footprint?"

Answer: It cannot. The footprint is largely determined by the size of the screen. A 15.4" notebook will have a suitably large footprint. It is not as if there were a lot of room to play with in terms of reducing the bezel thickness without sacrificing stability from the current Macbook Pro.

Removing a FW400 port has everything to do with saving money and nothing to do with moving forward in terms of technology and absolutely nothing to do with reducing the footprint. Video cameras routinely use the FW400 port for connection. Finding a FW800 cable with a mini connector is an additional expense for the end user.
 
You start to realize that the only thing the MBP has to offer is "thinness", and that doesn't make it a "Pro", does it?
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Well, IMO what signifies a professional machine is that you can configure the hell out of it to fit your needs. To name but a few examples...
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Apple's rigid 'one size fits all' approach doesn't strike me as sensitive to the individual needs of professionals.
The Mac Pro is much more configurable than the rest of Apple's lineup (although it still lags behind PC workstations). So we can say it's pro.

Sounds like a lot of consumers crying about what they want a PRO laptop to be. Nimrods speaking about taking out the optical drive and making the books thinner. :rolleyes:

Typical Apple consumers that don't do much work I say. Give me a real laptop that IS NOT thinner, but packs in just as much power.
If the MacBooks and MacBook Pros are merged into one lineup, then I hope the MacBook Pro name is resurrected as a true pro notebook.

Removing the optical drive also frees up space for more powerful components.

MacBook Air: Very thin and low performance
MacBook: Thin and regular performance
MacBook Pro: Thicker and high performance

And it makes even less sense to have an ultra thin laptop and and a lot of cable adapters to carry around!
It's good if you don't need to carry those cable adapters.

I also fear they will make the MBP glossy-only.
If it happens, surprised, I will not be. Falling towards "consumer," I fear the MacBook Pro is.

Any word on the iMac? or is it not getting an update? Any new rumor floating around about it?
AppleInsider says a "speed bump" in November.
 
Removing the optical drive also frees up space for more powerful components.

MacBook Air: Very thin and low performance
MacBook: Thin and regular performance
MacBook Pro: Thicker and high performance

I don't agree with removing the optical drive just yet - unless Apple provided it as a USB add on that is part of the package, not a charged extra. That way, you do have a optical drive, and you can choose to use it or not.

I definitely agree with making the MacBook Pro a bit thicker - I mean, thinness isn't everything. Yes it looks nice etc, but when it comes down to expandability (in particular, changing the hard drive) as well as heat issues, thinness just isn't all that great.

I've said this in a few topics - I want the new MacBook Pro to be slightly thicker (the screen could be thinner, so over all thinness isn't compromised too much) to allow better heat control, and either a 3rd and 4th fan to blow air out added side grills (assuming the new design is like the Air) that are only visible below the curve, and are fan assisted.

That would allow better air flow, lower temperatures, less noise from fans going full blast and being able to change the hard drive.

Right now, ever since the MacBook Pro was released, heat has been a major issue. And it isn't going to away unless the case is evolved to control it better. 45nm CPU's and less wattage are going to help, but we're not quite in the era yet where you'll have an extremely powerful CPU that draws next to nothing power and is unbelievably small in size. Until then, the case has to be able to deal with the heat.
 
Removing the optical drive also frees up space for more powerful components.

True, but there's this idea that removing it will make the book magically lighter and thinner. It could, but that's a waste on a 17" 6lbs book already. Take it out for a second scratch disk, or second battery ala the Lombard days.

Don't take it out because some hippie college student wants to have a thin 17" with the power of a Sony TZ while he/she sips their coffee that no one can pronounce.

I say keep the books 1" since they are still the smallest lightest books in their class. The 17" is still the lightest 17" on the market.

If it happens, surprised, I will not be. Falling towards "consumer," I fear the MacBook Pro is.

Agreed. I won't be surprised if Apple does make the book tiny, and tout it as being a professional model with an underclocked CPU and GPU. I will be glad that I picked up the Penryn.
 
True, but there's this idea that removing it will make the book magically lighter and thinner. It could, but that's a waste on a 17" 6lbs book already. Take it out for a second scratch disk, or second battery ala the Lombard days.

Don't take it out because some hippie college student wants to have a thin 17" with the power of a Sony TZ while he/she sips their coffee that no one can pronounce.

I say keep the books 1" since they are still the smallest lightest books in their class. The 17" is still the lightest 17" on the market.



Agreed. I won't be surprised if Apple does make the book tiny, and tout it as being a professional model with an underclocked CPU and GPU. I will be glad that I picked up the Penryn.

Apple sells other notebooks besides 17" MBPs....
 
"other bad redesigns"? You mean other design choices that you personally don't care for? :rolleyes:

NO!

I mean bad designs, like the cracking MacBook cases because of the way the monitor bezel is shaped, and the wealth of issues going on with the MacBook Air.

Not everyone falls in love with Apple's designs because they are from Apple. And not everyone that sees a design flaw is saying it's a flaw out of personal opinion.

Apple sells other notebooks besides 17" MBPs....

Missed the point my friend. Point IS, why make a thinner notebook for the sake of making it lighter and removing hardware that is needed by many industries? You can only get so light with a 17" and no one is begging for lighter 17" books. Those that want a 17" book get the 15" or 13" and are happy.

Don't take the optical and FW ports off the 15" either, especially if it's only for the sake of weight and thinness.
 
I don't agree with removing the optical drive just yet - unless Apple provided it as a USB add on that is part of the package, not a charged extra. That way, you do have a optical drive, and you can choose to use it or not.
I definitely agree. I need an optical drive, but I just don't need it everywhere I go.

And it isn't going to away unless the case is evolved to control it better. 45nm CPU's and less wattage are going to help, but we're not quite in the era yet where you'll have an extremely powerful CPU that draws next to nothing power and is unbelievably small in size.
Although dual-cores are getting lower in power, it looks like quad-core become somewhat mainstream (in the sense that there would be dual-core and quad-core options) on thicker pro notebooks in 2009 due to the $348 2.0 GHz Q9000. So the thinness of the MacBook Pro's going to give it a big disadvantage when similar-priced PC notebooks have twice the cores and ≈50% the multithreaded CPU performance. I see this lasting through 2009.
 
Missed the point my friend. Point IS, why make a thinner notebook for the sake of making it lighter and removing hardware that is needed by many industries? You can only get so light with a 17" and no one is begging for lighter 17" books. Those that want a 17" book get the 15" or 13" and are happy.

Don't take the optical and FW ports off the 15" either, especially if it's only for the sake of weight and thinness.

I see where you coming from with the 17" MBP but as a 13" MB user not so much. Like I said before there should be an option because I never use the optical and I'm sure others are in the same boat and would like the option of something else or nothing.

Apple doesn't need to remove the optical in order to make it thinner. Just look at the thinkpad x300. I believe it is thinner then the Air. But I believe Apple will do it just to be innovative and say look our laptops can use remote disk or a wireless optical (that'd be cool)
 
I see where you coming from with the 17" MBP but as a 13" MB user not so much. Like I said before there should be an option because I never use the optical and I'm sure others are in the same boat and would like the option of something else or nothing.

Apple doesn't need to remove the optical in order to make it thinner. Just look at the thinkpad x300. I believe it is thinner then the Air. But I believe Apple will do it just to be innovative and say look our laptops can use remote disk or a wireless optical (that'd be cool)

I'd want that for any machine too. Just as long as it's not for cosmetic reasons. If I can stick another HDD in there then I am all for it.

As for wireless, I think we should slow down for a minute with that one since we don't even have Blu-Ray yet, and sending 50GB over the air would take FOREVER.
 
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