i get your point but you have to accept that a 17 inch mbp full costumized is power enough for at least 99,998% of the population
so with apple computers, if you need power, you will have power
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i get your point but you have to accept that a 17 inch mbp full costumized is power enough for at least 99,998% of the population
so with apple computers, if you need power, you will have power
Doesn't quite match the 1600+ variations on a Dell Precision M440 though.
Of course.... When Dell doesn't include anything to begin with and forces you to add everything from the Bluetooth module to the battery, you will find yourself with much more options. Not to say that it isn't welcomed on the Apple front.
Dell even includes the slower, previous generation CPUs just to decrease the price a little, or for those that favor storage space/GPUs over the CPU.
They have options because they start you bare bones.
And let's leave the mini tower to another day. That's a whole nother can of worms that people get worked up about.
That was my point. The Mac Pro is highly configurable (so it deserves the "Pro" name), but the MacBook Pro is not.
That would work for consumers, but probably not for pros.
in my opinion if they want to call a macbook pro a PRO
then if anything they should ADD things
a blu ray option..more ports.. or something
cuz usually when u buy the mbp its because you need those things your job or hobby consists of it
otherwise buy a macbook..
that is unless you want a mbp for fun lol
then if anything they should ADD things
a blu ray option..more ports.. or something
cuz usually when u buy the mbp its because you need those things your job or hobby consists of it
otherwise buy a macbook..
that is unless you want a mbp for fun lol
Uh... I'm not sure I follow.
If I go to dell.se and to configure the aforementioned Precision M440, I start with this default config:
C2D T9400 (2.5 GHz), 1066 MHz FSB, 6MB cache
Vista Business
160 GB 7200 RPM drive with free fall sensor
2 GB DDR2 RAM 800 MHz
Discrete NVidia FX770M (512MB)
DVD+/-RW drive (aka Superdrive)
802.11n WiFi
6-cell, 56W/hr battery
Bluetooth 2.1
4 USB ports
1 Firewire port
eSATA port
DisplayPort
5-1 card reader
PCMCIA
ExpressCard 54
E-Port (for port replicators, docks etc)
3 year warranty w/ next day on-site service
Price: 11,490 SEK. And this is the Precision, Dell's pro flagship, not some midrange model.
Then of course I can add stuff like an LED screen (up to 1920x1200... this is 15.4", mind you, not 17"), a 2.8 or 3.0 GHz CPU (the MBP maxes out at 2.6 if I'm not mistaken), a 9-cell battery, a secondary 6-cell battery, hard drive up to 500 GB or up to 64 GB SSD, docking station, fingerprint reader and a lot of other crap, but I don't see how the basic configuration is "bare bones"...? Aside from a built-in cam (which you can add for 114 SEK) I don't see what a basic MBP has that this one doesn't? Yeah, the basic HD is smaller (160 GB), but on the other hand it's 7200 RPM, whereas the basic MBP drive is 5400 RPM.
Problem is, the basic MBP w/ the same 2.5 GHz C2D, same size RAM, same size screen etc is 17,596 SEK. And that's without the 3-year warranty/service deal included with the Dell. Throw in AppleCare and you're up to 20,950 SEK total. That's nearly twice the price of the Dell, which aside from the cam and the backlit keyboard is no more "bare bones" than the MBP. I'm not sure what you're referring to. Some weird consumer model, or Dell circa 1998 perhaps?
I am referring to the business models. They give you barebones and you work your way up from there.
The Dell Precision M6400 is what I was referring to. You have to add each and every piece of hardware for the most part.
p.s. configured the same Dell over here in the US and the price difference is about $500. Which is what I usually find. As always the PC variant of the MBP will have far more hardware and hardware options to choose from, but the price difference will always be around $500 less for the PC. It maybe double in other currencies.
My statement was not aimed at you personally. When Jobs took control of Apple in the late '90s, the Apple product line was so confused with different models and options that customers couldn't keep them all straight. Jobs' philosophy was to simplify the product line to a few, easily-identifiable products and he has stuck with that since. Jobs has always, since the beginning, favored the self-contained product over those that feature lots of options and add-ons.
Now I understand.
I am sorry but I sometimes cannot understand some posts.
Back on topic, do you see a price drop on the Macs (Basic Models: MacBook---->$999 and MacBook Pro ------>$1799)?
It better or else!
And in terms of design, specs, features (like glass trackpad), or usability? Maybe more than one of the above?
And in terms of design, specs, features (like glass trackpad), or usability? Maybe more than one of the above?
and price hopefully.
No problem. I like the new avatar, by the way.
It wouldn't surprise me to see those prices.
It's not you, it's them.
Are you saying I'm a bad person?
Thanks.
Hey, maybe lets make an Egyptian avatar theme at MacRumours? Everybody, change your avatars to anything Egyptian.
Back on topic, do you think Apple is toying with people when they have all the technology in the new Macs ready in place? One Apple person might say: "Hey, let us see them suffer another week of waiting. Hehe.".
I'm waiting. It had better come at half the price, or have something really spectacular like a holographic screen...
Well, sadly it is almost double in Swedish Kronor, for no apparent reason... Forget $500, the price difference I referred to (11,940 vs 20,950) translates to $1377.
Also, Dell U.S. must be a totally different beast from their Swedish counterparts. Here in Sweden they certainly don't give you bare-bones configs, they don't add any trialware (naked Windows is all you get), they have excellent service and support, they're generally very friendly, they most certainly don't patch you over to some call center in India, and the real zinger is that if you call them and place your order rather than use their online store, they give you great rebates (I got 20% off on the one I'm typing on right now, and it was a spanking new model when I bought it two years ago). Try that with Apple Store...
Haa, no..however; with my crackbook issues I have been having I found my way transferred over to an elevated CS Rep through the 1-800 number and I tried to get out of him anything I could, and he mentioned the usual - that they know nothing and that when the new Nanos came out, they didnt know until the keynote - nothing new here.
I am hearing that the US stores for many vendors (Apple, Adobe, Dell, HP, etc.) are going crazy with pricing. For us though the price difference has always been $500 or less. In many cases the Dell turns out to be the same or more with a few specs not matched... such as screen size.
Dell's support is top notch. The industry is raving about Apple Care support but as far as I am concerned they are on par with Apple being the only one that doesn't offer on-site support unless you buy a server.
As far as good deals, users need to go to the refurbished site, since those units get tested more thoroughly and are still eligible for Apple Care. They also come with a 15%-20% decrease in price, so those discounts can be had at an Apple online Store. The one in the US anyway.
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first of all i am all for cheaper macs
however i do not think that they are over priced
when i was on our family farm my dad got a pair of fence wire cutters for 100 dollars he could have gotten a pair of cutters for 15 but he didn't because of the superiority of the quality of the 100 dollar pair not because they could cut thicker wire
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first of all i am all for cheaper macs
however i do not think that they are over priced
when i was on our family farm my dad got a pair of fence wire cutters for 100 dollars he could have gotten a pair of cutters for 15 but he didn't because of the superiority of the quality of the 100 dollar pair not because they could cut thicker wire
I'll let your intuitive brain translate that to a
