Aluminum MacBook Pro Case Photo?

[bjorn989]

LOL, Chris. Once again: There are no LEDs in the logo. There never will be. Well, unless Apple suddenly decides to complicate matters, use more watts and make the screen-case thicker for no other reason that "it would be great to do it like this".

Hey guys, first post...

Just wondering whether it was possible that the MBP could have a solid black logo that glowed and the MB had the ordinary backlit one. This would give the difference between the pro and consumer models and, in my opinion make the pro ones look amazing. This would make sense if they were making the MB aluminium...

Just a thought.

 

[Tosser]

Hey guys, first post...

Just wondering whether it was possible that the MBP could have a solid black logo that glowed and the MB had the ordinary backlit one. This would give the difference between the pro and consumer models and, in my opinion make the pro ones look amazing. This would make sense if they were making the MB aluminium...

Just a thought.

I guess one could use a thing film of "fluorescent black" and do it like that. I can't remember what that stuff is made of, or whether it would be able to be "charged" (with light) from the back.
[Edit: Come to think of it, it would be charged from the front in sunlight as well, making it "glow" constantly.]

If using LED's to light up the logo on the "pro" models, then the screen assembly would have to be thicker – at least where the logo is. (you need space for the led-circuitry and for the leds themselves). It would be a poor trade-off in my opinion. In fact, I'd prefer if the logo was black, and more importantly: non-glowing. It seems the glowing logo is icon-speak for "look at me, I'm here for you to steal".

 

[Mal]

Hey guys, first post...

Just wondering whether it was possible that the MBP could have a solid black logo that glowed and the MB had the ordinary backlit one. This would give the difference between the pro and consumer models and, in my opinion make the pro ones look amazing. This would make sense if they were making the MB aluminium...

Just a thought.

If you mean glow around a solid black logo, I think that could look really awesome. Would be a nice distinction, could look really professional.

jW

 

[Sweetfeld28]

I think a flat black MacBook, with a Gloss Apple Logo [vinyl looking] would look sweet with this glow that your talking about.


I wonder if they could do something like that also with the alu MacBook Pros.

 

[iMacmatician]

Hey guys, first post...

Just wondering whether it was possible that the MBP could have a solid black logo that glowed and the MB had the ordinary backlit one. This would give the difference between the pro and consumer models and, in my opinion make the pro ones look amazing. This would make sense if they were making the MB aluminium...

Just a thought.

I can definitely see that happening, I think it would look great (remember the "Welcome to 2007" pre-MWSF teaser), and it would reconcile the "no more backlit logo" and "backlit logo" speculation and evidence.

And it would work just like the regular backlit logo except there's a lot less light coming out.

Also would this mean… solid glowing black logo on the Mac Pros?

Time for a redesign!

 

[.Chris]

LOL, Chris. Once again: There are no LEDs in the logo. There never will be. Well, unless Apple suddenly decides to complicate matters, use more watts and make the screen-case thicker for no other reason that "it would be great to do it like this".

once again? You know you dont have to laugh. people can state their opinion and the dots are the only thing I can think of having that is an LED.

Hey guys, first post...

Just wondering whether it was possible that the MBP could have a solid black logo that glowed and the MB had the ordinary backlit one. This would give the difference between the pro and consumer models and, in my opinion make the pro ones look amazing. This would make sense if they were making the MB aluminium...

Just a thought.

If you mean glow around a solid black logo, I think that could look really awesome. Would be a nice distinction, could look really professional.

jW

That I could see happening. It may work...

I guess one could use a thing film of "fluorescent black" and do it like that. I can't remember what that stuff is made of, or whether it would be able to be "charged" (with light) from the back.
[Edit: Come to think of it, it would be charged from the front in sunlight as well, making it "glow" constantly.]

If using LED's to light up the logo on the "pro" models, then the screen assembly would have to be thicker – at least where the logo is. (you need space for the led-circuitry and for the leds themselves). It would be a poor trade-off in my opinion. In fact, I'd prefer if the logo was black, and more importantly: non-glowing. It seems the glowing logo is icon-speak for "look at me, I'm here for you to steal".

I'm sure if apple did go with an LED logo, they could make it thin, or about the same size as it is now. Come on, your talking about apple here.

 

[CarlHeanerd]

Give me a blackened aluminum casing for the redesign (as an option) and I'll be happy. I do care what it looks like . . so what? It doesn't make me a noob.

The looks are extremely important to the Macbook Pro . . . A large part of the reason Apple was able to capture their current portion of the marketshare was the design of their products. I agree that they wouldn't compromise the power of the laptop for looks, nor should they. That's why the entire line was created in the first place, but I think it's in need of an update.

I don't care how many people say the current Macbook Pro look is 'timeless', it's not. It may be timeless in the same way the Parthenon is timeless, in that it'll still be beautiful. Still, the look will (if it already hasn't) age when compared to newer designs and look like the technology of yester-year.

For anyone scared of a redesign, when was the last time Apple has released a design/redesign that you've hated?

True that. The Macbook Pro's of today will always be beautiful, but if Apple keeps on sticking with the current design (which has been around since '03), it will get BORING! It already has for some people. Go on Apple, show us what you got.

By the way, the "Flower Power" iMac G3 is the only revision / option I don't like.

 

[CarlHeanerd]

Yes it does. When a product is designed that requires extensive dismantling to access major replaceable parts then it's flawed. That's why every Apple product design has been continuously refined to make access to major parts easier. It's not just for consumer benefit, it's for technicians as well.

For a "Pro" unit it's a major flaw and just dates the design even more than it is. More so when the Macbook has a slide in drive hatch that enables easy access and that's aimed at consumers who shouldn't even care about replacing the hard drive.

Here's an idea.

"To Replace a HDD, do the following:

1- Remove battery

2- Remove screw from side of battery hole

3- Slide out HDD tray

4- Replace HDD

5- Reinsert HDD tray, re-screw in, and insert battery"

A man can dream, can't he?

 

[Tosser]

delete

 

[brendanspah764]

Mockups?

Can someone put some mockups up on this thread to keep this thread moving?

 

[RoboCop1]

I really can't wait for this new revision.

 

[Tosser]

once again? You know you dont have to laugh. people can state their opinion and the dots are the only thing I can think of having that is an LED.

Yes, once again, as it has already been explained in this thread.

Just because that's all you can think of is LED's doesn't mean it then has to be LED's. On my TiBook (back in the days) there were "dots" which simply were for holding the "roundish" white plastic-thingy in place (which from the outside looks like an Apple).

If you do a web search for disassembled MBP-screens you will see the same thing. It doesn't have anything to do with LED's, and there'd be no reason to use LED's for your suggested purpose. It's adding complexity, adding thickness, upping the power consumption and all of this for no purpose whatsoever.

That I could see happening. It may work...

Unlike my brain-fart with the self-glowing semi-see-through, his idea WILL work. Even without LEDs - you just have to have a piece of black inserted in the plastic.

I'm sure if apple did go with an LED logo, they could make it thin, or about the same size as it is now. Come on, your talking about apple here.

No, I'm talking about LED-technology, not Apple. I'm talking about adding complexity just for the sake of it, introducing problems you'd have to work around that weren't present before.
LED's produce heat, so you will need a heatsink for them. I doubt that Apple, no matter how much people love them will be able to make a slimmer LED-diode, a smaller heatsink and so on. There's a whole industry doing this sort of thing – and Apple has absolutely zero know-how in this regard, and since there's absolutely no purpose to introducing LED's where you suggest, there's no incentive to get it either.

 

[matticus008]

LED's produce heat, so you will need a heatsink for them.

No, no heatsink. That's quite an overstatement. Of the dozens of LEDs in your house right now, almost none has an attached cooling system of any kind. A small group of LEDs produces a negligible amount of heat, which can be transmissively and radiatively cooled without any additional hardware.

That said, they are not putting LEDs in the Apple logo. This isn't a riced-out Honda, and the holes are just stamp marks from the manufacturing process.

 

[Tosser]

No, no heatsink. That's quite an overstatement. Of the dozens of LEDs in your house right now, almost none has an attached cooling system of any kind. A small group of LEDs produces a negligible amount of heat, which can be transmissively and radiatively cooled without any additional hardware.

Hmm, I give you this:

http://www.globalsources.com/manufacturers/Heat-Sink-LED.html

Notice how even the small ones have a heatsink.

And under "Practical use", second paragraph:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED#Practical_use

That said, they are not putting LEDs in the Apple logo. This isn't a riced-out Honda, and the holes are just stamp marks from the manufacturing process.

Indeed.

 

[.Chris]

never say never.

you said apple will never go to intel, now look at them.,..

 

[omega21]

Can someone put some mockups up on this thread to keep this thread moving?

I just finished this one. Big thing is the black matte, with the one piece of aluminum for the outside. I also pulled the touchpad button down in size and removed the latch, and made the keyboard consistent with the rest of the lineup.

 

[SchneiderMan]

check this real black mbp, it looks really nice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMb7KaNEGH0&feature=related

 

[matticus008]

Hmm, I give you this:

http://www.globalsources.com/manufacturers/Heat-Sink-LED.html

Those are all high-output, relatively large LEDs for spotlight and direct space illumination.

Notice how even the small ones have a heatsink.

Small being a relative term (~30-60mm). In other words, at least fifteen times larger than what would go in a notebook.

And under "Practical use", second paragraph:

Reading comprehension going a long way, the reference is to complex systems of high-power LED arrays dissipating at least 1W continuous, and not to 1-2mm auxiliary lamps in consumer electronics consuming a few milliwatts.

This, for example, is even larger than what would go in a notebook lid. The idea of including a heat sink on such a small package is just laughable. Heat from such a small source is drawn away transmissively through a substrate connected to, say, the aluminum lid.

 

[Tosser]

Those are all high-output, relatively large LEDs for spotlight and direct space illumination.

THere are smaller.
Take a look at the Suncor single-leds. Those have a heatsink (the steel around them for a reason.

Small being a relative term (~30-60mm). In other words, at least fifteen times larger than what would go in a notebook.

Take a look at other leds. They're small, but not, say, half a millimeter small.

Reading comprehension going a long way, the reference is to complex systems of high-power LED arrays dissipating at least 1W continuous, and not to 1-2mm auxiliary lamps in consumer electronics consuming a few milliwatts.

You think you can get the apple logo lit with a few milliwatts and two leds?

You realise that "an array of high powered LEDs" could just be two or three 1W leds, right? You make it sound like only things like the www.lopolight.com would need a heatsink.
You can't light up the logo with, say, three low powered LEDs.


Again, take a look at the Suncor LEDs. Three of them (or a tristar), if set up properly, use the same wattage as a single one.

I thought you wanted the logo to be LIT, not just have a little light at places in it.
If you get the chance, see if you can see the led to the button on the front of your mbp. It's bigger than you think.

The led in the power-thingy (which plugs into your computer) is smaller, but it's far from being powerful enough to light up a logo. Even if ten were used.

This, for example, is even larger than what would go in a notebook lid.

Excuse me for thinking that you might actually want the logo to be illuminated.

The idea of including a heat sink on such a small package is just laughable.

Then you really don't know what you're talking about: The smaller the led, and the more powerful it is - even if it's just a single led, it will need to be able to get rid of the excess heat.

Heat from such a small source is drawn away transmissively through a substrate connected to, say, the aluminum lid.

LOL, easier said than done without a heatsink. You have to make the connection. I guess you could just use a slub of that heatsink paste (can't remember the correct term), but you cannot just simply stick an LED into the case and hope the screen won't suffer.

Which reminds me: If they introduced LEDs for the logo, I'd be worried about them pressing into the screen when the computer is put in a bag.

 

[matticus008]

THere are smaller.
Take a look at the Suncor single-leds. Those have a heatsink (the steel around them for a reason.

Again, those are for room illumination, and are still significantly larger than what would fit in a notebook. If you're referring to the Microstar, the steel sheath is not a heat sink. It is a transmissive cooling element doubling as a package.

I'm not sure why this has to be like pulling teeth with you. It's a ludicrous assertion about heat sinks being needed to illuminate a 1.5" logo. Many small electronic devices with screens are LED backlit--without heat sinks. If you own a recent Apple notebook, the 13"+ panel in it is backlit by LEDs--without heat sinks.

You think you can get the apple logo lit with a few milliwatts and two leds?

Yes. It's not a flashlight.

If you get the chance, see if you can see the led to the button on the front of your mbp. It's bigger than you think.

It's not. It also has no heat sink.

The led in the power-thingy (which plugs into your computer) is smaller, but it's far from being powerful enough to light up a logo. Even if ten were used.

Using ten of them would be pointless, since there are other, lower-power means to do so, but ten such LEDs would be more than sufficient.

The smaller the led, and the more powerful it is - even if it's just a single led, it will need to be able to get rid of the excess heat.

Yes. That does not necessitate a heat sink, which is a large apparatus requiring air movement--neither of which is compatible with a notebook lid environment.

Moving heat away from the device would be accomplished, for the last time, by transmissive or radiative cooling from the package itself, sans heat sink. Just let it go. There is no face to be saved at this point.

 

[Tosser]

Again, those are for room illumination, and are still significantly larger than what would fit in a notebook. If you're referring to the Microstar, the steel sheath is not a heat sink. It is a transmissive cooling element doubling as a package.

Ah, great: Your leading rhetorical argument is "You used the wrong terminology, ergo I must be right"

You seem to miss my point: A single led, even a "high powered" 1-watt LED (such as the microstar) needs help to dissipate heat. If you consider such an LED a "room illuminating" LED (inferring it's about the lighting power of a normal lightbulb), you're way off track.

I'm not sure why this has to be like pulling teeth with you. It's a ludicrous assertion about heat sinks being needed to illuminate a 1.5" logo.

You do know that LED's are directional, and unless you use high powered LEDs to illuminate it properly, it will not light up as much as the logo does now, and further, it will not light up consistently, unless you use several.

Many small electronic devices with screens are LED backlit--without heat sinks.

Sorry, but unless you want the logo to be an actual screen, then your argument is moot, as you cannot compare the two directly.
If you own a recent Apple notebook, the 13"+ panel in it is backlit by LEDs--without heat sinks.

Yes. It's not a flashlight.

LOL, a flash light with a single diode is seldomly really bright, unless you look directly into it. The thing is, you want to use a single, low powered diode (a la the one on the mag safe) to light up the entire logo, not recognising how much power is "lost" when you dissipate the light to try and illuminate the entire logo.

It's not. It also has no heat sink.

You think you can get that assembly inside the screen and illuminate the entire logo evenly with that diode?

Using ten of them would be pointless, since there are other, lower-power means to do so,

Of course there is: Using the display's backlight, for one.

but ten such LEDs would be more than sufficient.

I highly doubt that – especially considering the light has to spread out the light on a matt, frosted surface.

Yes. That does not necessitate a heat sink, which is a large apparatus requiring air movement--neither of which is compatible with a notebook lid environment.

Or water, or other things which can connect and dissipate the heat even further.

Moving heat away from the device would be accomplished, for the last time, by transmissive or radiative cooling from the package itself, sans heat sink. Just let it go. There is no face to be saved at this point.

Well, I'll let it go when you realise how little light even a 1w "high powered" LED gives when the light is dissipated (and no, don't give me any crap about me using the wrong word here as well, and that you'd prefer to use "refraction" or some other terminology. The core of what I say should be clear enough. )

 

[kabunaru]

Oh great. A new argument: about LED.

 

[Tosser]

Oh great. A new argument: about LED.

If you notice when this began, though, you will see it's not new at all. One has to wonder, though.

 

[matticus008]

Ah, great: Your leading rhetorical argument is "You used the wrong terminology, ergo I must be right"

It's not rhetorical. You indicated that someone would have to design a tiny heat sink to put some LEDs in a notebook lid. That is plainly false. Not only are there no heat sinks in a notebook lid now, despite significantly more powerful LEDs used in the backlighting, but also the addition of a few would not substantially change the thermal profile to require them.

Yet you feel the need to turn what is a simple and obvious point into a contentious debate, for reasons passing understanding. It was one reply and could have been left. As long as inaccurate information comes back, though, it will continue.

You seem to miss my point: A single led, even a "high powered" 1-watt LED (such as the microstar) needs help to dissipate heat.

A Microstar needs help? No. Touch one.

You do know that LED's are directional, and unless you use high powered LEDs to illuminate it properly, it will not light up as much as the logo does now, and further, it will not light up consistently, unless you use several.

Again, hogwash. You don't use direct lighting, you use a planar diffuser to illuminate surfaces. One or two LEDs would suffice.

You think you can get that assembly inside the screen and illuminate the entire logo evenly with that diode?

Yes.

Of course there is: Using the display's backlight, for one.

That's never been the issue. It does not make sense to put LEDs in the Apple logo. The only point was your woefully inaccurate and over the top condemnation of the engineering requirements and basic misunderstanding of the technologies involved.

(and no, don't give me any crap about me using the wrong word here as well, and that you'd prefer to use "refraction" or some other terminology. The core of what I say should be clear enough. )

If you can't even get reasonably close to the terminology, then what are you doing making proclamations?

Oh great. A new argument: about LED.

Indeed! Who knew it was going to be one? Some people just can't take a throwaway point.

If you notice when this began, though, you will see it's not new at all. One has to wonder, though.

Not new? This is probably the first time the issue has come up.

 

[kabunaru]

I hope you guys can still shake hands and be friends at the end of this argument.