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Definitely Not a joke. At $$$ i'm not going to be laughing about it if i don't like it, or it doesn't fit in.

Some people really like these tablets, other are mildly enthusiast, or not at all. I don't se why this one is any different.

In fact, i feel the opposite. I'm surprised they had the balls to go the distance, especially when the iPad sales were tapering off considerably (apparently)
 
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I don't have a problem with the iPad Pro running IOS apps. With iOS 9 Apple has a vision of how to turn an iOS environment to as close to Mac OS X as possible. Plus I do believe iOS is the future of Apple software despite its current limitations.

However I do agree with the point about the storage and particular the price. It is just so expensive for what can be conceived as a glorified iPad. Plus Apple wants us to pay extra for the accessories that will set this apart from the normal iPad.

Apple can dream on if they think normal consumers will rush to buy this, or even the iPad Air 3. Apple needs to realise that competition from MS is not the same as competition from Android/ Windows OEMs or even Google.
 
A joke is tad harsh but IMO its NOT desireable enough to plunk down that kind of cash. Not this version anwyays. The price for an LTE device with all the fixins is dangerously close to MacBook/MBA/rMBP territory. Just couldnt bring myself to pay that much when for about the same money I could have a nice laptop.
 
I own my own company and have been able to run 80% of it with a iPad in the last few years. The iPad pro was built for me. Love the iPad pro and expect to purchase 4-6 for my office.
 
It's just a bigger iPad with a bit more power under the hood. I find people who are most critical of this product have strong ideas about what it should have or could have been instead of just looking at the product for what it is. If you like iPad, you want a stylus or just a larger screen, it's a great buy. If you want one ultraportable device for everything, look elsewhere. A lot of people happen to like iOS and iPad and are interested in the Pro simply for that reason. For me, the stylus is the main selling point, and I think that's what Apple has intended as the target market for now. Given the large art community on iPad and the popularity of note taking apps, it's a smart move.
 
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Have you read the reviews on the SB?

I think people who know nothing about it will ridicule and trash it just because it's from Microsoft - same thing people who have never used Windows 10 are doing. I prefer and use Macs at home, but use a Windows 10 laptop at work and it is very solid and polished - a HUGE step up from older versions of Windows. If I was in the market for a laptop right now I'd seriously look at it.
 
I think people who know nothing about it will ridicule and trash it just because it's from Microsoft - same thing people who have never used Windows 10 are doing. I prefer and use Macs at home, but use a Windows 10 laptop at work and it is very solid and polished - a HUGE step up from older versions of Windows. If I was in the market for a laptop right now I'd seriously look at it.

I agree. Windows 10 is what they should have done with 8. It's as good as OS X (in most ways), and some ways better, probably. But then again, I prefer the Apple ecosystem. I still run into problems with Windows, that are frustrating. I haven't been frustrated like that with Apple for years.

Like the incessant updates with Windows. It's beyond annoying. Let me out :D
 
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Don't know if I'd say joke, but it certainly is a specialized tool. For a certain type of user, iPP will probably be a dream. But these will be fairly specific use cases, given the cost of entry.

What we're seeing form the Apple side is a cadence of very elegant and specialized tools (watches, iPP, etc.). Their vision is to build the best possible dedicated tool for a specific job. The plus side is that, if you're willing to buy and carry all that stuff, you're set. The downside is that you'll have to buy and carry all that stuff. Buy more stuff is the mantra. And here's the thing about all that stuff - you don't only have to buy and carry it, you have to maintain it. 20 years ago, most families had a family desktop. When technology got better, we'd upgrade the desktop, maybe dedicating the old one to the kids. Nowadays, we're maintaining: Desktops, laptops, tablets, phones, phablets, gigantic tablets, hybrids, TV boxes, etc. You don't only have to buy this stuff, you have to keep it current.

And I think that this is the heart of the issue - Apple is a hardware company that wants to sell more stuff, while Microsoft is a software company that wants more seats.

What we're seeing from the Microsoft side is an emphasis on building fewer things that can do more. IMOHO, Microsoft doesn't make the best laptops or tablets, but their devices are good enough for both tasks. Your stuff does more is the mantra.

I appreciate that they are two very different views of the world, and I think it's a good thing for the industry. Personally, I don't think I'll ever buy another iPad, as that function has been replaced with my SP3, because it's just too nice to switch from play to real work mode in a second. I'll keep iOS on my phone, for the time being. I'll keep OS X on my main desktop, because I still find it to be the most productive desktop. I'm also locked into the Apple ecosystem, which makes switching hard. But the surface has my tablet duty and I suspect over the coming year or two that it will take on the laptop role as well.

Frankly, I've got device fatigue. If Apple's vision is that I need to keep buying dedicated large tablets, desktops, medium tablets, laptops, watches, rings and necklaces, I don't know how long I'll hang? A few years form now, I would actually like to see a Surface Pro 6 take over all of those roles, except for the phone. We'll see?

But again, this is a very personal thing. There is no right or wrong answer here. Im willing to put up with a device that's 90% as good as a dedicated laptop and 85% as good as a dedicated tablet, because it can do both functions. Others would prefer to carry around two devices, in order to get the best experience on both sides. The choice is now yours... we live in great times!
 
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Student Product Design here. I'm going to make sketches with the Pencil, do iWork / Office stuff with the Apple bluetooth keyboard and use it as my main on-the-go computer device for all the light stuff (school, train). Whenever I need to use full Adobe apps, or SolidWorks I will be bringing my 15" MacBook Pro, but that's not going to be every day of the week. I think I'll be bringing the iPad Pro to school with me every day of the week and use my MBP mainly at home w/ my monitor.

So: Apple Pencil usefulness, big screen advantages and more portability over my MBP. Simply getting a smaller MacBook isn't an option (less power), iPad Air doesn't have enough compelling features.

Okay, it will be really expensive. Still enough reasons to buy one though.
 
I feel pretty much the same way about the Pro as I do for the Apple Watch. I wouldn't call it a joke, and I can understand why some people would want it, but I'm personally not even tempted.
 
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So, while I appreciate that the iPad Pro is a larger tablet with a lot more power. What is it going to run that makes it "Pro"? It will still be running apps from the App Store (a lot of these apps still don't take advantage of the potential of the iPad Air 2.) so I really don't understand how it is "Pro" in any way, shape or form?

Most other tablet in the class of the iPad Pro run desktop OS and desktop applications. And have great storage capacities.

Also the fact that apple decide to make a 32GB and 128GB is just a slap to the consumer. Why no 64GB? 32GB is barely enough nowadays yet you either have to get by with 32GB or pay big bucks for the 128GB.

This product to me (purely opinion) seems like a money grabbing gimmick.
 
You are probably not the only one. It's simple, don't buy one.

thats the essence of everything. we all like different things. different things suit different people and different workflows.

like or dont like. buy or dont buy.

whatever, Apple will make a truck load of money. this makes the ipad pro not a joke, like it or hate it. besides, what of all those people who will buy it for pro uses (myself included)? i kinda take it personally at having my new kit being called a joke. what does that make me?

but then, thats your choice too :)
 
I feel pretty much the same way about the Pro as I do for the Apple Watch. I wouldn't call it a joke, and I can understand why some people would want it, but I'm personally not even tempted.

Save some money. I, on the other hand sort of need it. I'm NOT happy about the price.

Outrageous. But, perhaps that will change when I use it.
 
What we're seeing form the Apple side is a cadence of very elegant and specialized tools (watches, iPP, etc.). Their vision is to build the best possible dedicated tool for a specific job. The plus side is that, if you're willing to buy and carry all that stuff, you're set. The downside is that you'll have to buy and carry all that stuff. Buy more stuff is the mantra. And here's the thing about all that stuff - you don't only have to buy and carry it, you have to maintain it. 20 years ago, most families had a family desktop. When technology got better, we'd upgrade the desktop, maybe dedicating the old one to the kids. Nowadays, we're maintaining: Desktops, laptops, tablets, phones, phablets, gigantic tablets, hybrids, TV boxes, etc. You don't only have to buy this stuff, you have to keep it current.
I do wonder what % of the general population have to buy and maintain such long list of devices. Personally, I make do with a 2010 iMac and 2011 iPad 2.
 
Better speakers...much better speakers.
That's the only thing that's making me want the Pro (well, it being faster is also desirable too). Still have time to return my (Apple refurbished) 128GB Air 2, but it would require a £321 price premium for the 128GB Pro :(
 
Yeah, I feel ya', and I'm trying to get there. Currently "making do" with: a new 5k iMac, 2015 MB, Surface Pro 3, and an iPhone. The iPads are gathering dust as there's not much of a role for them in the middle of that.

But considering returning the 12" MB, for an upgraded Surface pro 4. Then, at least I'm down to 3 devices. The Surface Pro with Win 10 is a fairly good tablet, below that the iPhone 6s covers all my tablet needs. Only question is whether or not I can rely upon just windows for my laptop needs? Besides, that little 12" MB is pretty fun to use.

Also, regarding the tablets, the Kindle kids' edition is absolutely perfect for the little ones! $99 with expandable memory (SD slot) and free Kindle freetime. If you have young kids, this is perfection! Pretty much all the books.edu games/edu videos they need for free. And parents can set time limits (eg. turns off after 8:30 and no more than 1hr of games). Plus, it's already in a kid-proof case and comes with damage protection. You can outfit four kids with these, for the cost of one iPad Mini. yet another reason why our iPads gather dust...

I do wonder what % of the general population have to buy and maintain such long list of devices. Personally, I make do with a 2010 iMac and 2011 iPad 2.
 
So, while I appreciate that the iPad Pro is a larger tablet with a lot more power. What is it going to run that makes it "Pro"? It will still be running apps from the App Store (a lot of these apps still don't take advantage of the potential of the iPad Air 2.) so I really don't understand how it is "Pro" in any way, shape or form?

Most other tablet in the class of the iPad Pro run desktop OS and desktop applications. And have great storage capacities.

Also the fact that apple decide to make a 32GB and 128GB is just a slap to the consumer. Why no 64GB? 32GB is barely enough nowadays yet you either have to get by with 32GB or pay big bucks for the 128GB.

This product to me (purely opinion) seems like a money grabbing gimmick.

Pro means professional, not professional video editors. It's a great word, excel, pages, keynote box.
 
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