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Amazon Begins Accepting Pre-Orders for Mac OS X Snow Leopard
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This is called an opinion, not a fact.
And most people don't wait in line to buy operating systems, whether it's for a Mac or PC. Most people will acquire Windows 7 via a new PC, and a lot of people will acquire Snow Leopard when they buy a new Mac.
I'm pretty sure Amazon will ship all orders to arrive on the release date, as they do with all pre-orders. I have prime, so I haven't ordered using the Super Saver method in a while.
Legally speaking, yes. Technically speaking, the disc would work on BOTH computers, I am pretty sure.
An obvious hint - if your old box has 10.4, you'd rather support Apple and buy the new one with 10.6 preinstalled.
Overall, this is Good News
While I feel it is more than a little cheeky to sell me a box set containing '09 versions of software when we will be entering '10 not too long afterwards, advance orders can only mean Snow Leopard will be out soon. Good.
As with any operating system upgrade, I will be waiting until later, say around the 10.6.3 point or so before upgrading in case there are any nasty surprises. I opted to miss the Leopard upgrade, since while I was watching and waiting Snow Leopard rumours started to fly around and I thought, why not wait - there's no hurry. The only concerns I have regarding Snow Leopard at the moment are to do with the GMA 950 I have on my MacBook. I look forward to reading posts on this forum telling us that it all works fine.
The other operating system I am watching is Windows 7 - I have had no problems with Vista as such, but if it is as smooth and slick as I am told it is, then this can't be a bad thing. 2010 may be the year I upgrade all my machines...
While I feel it is more than a little cheeky to sell me a box set containing '09 versions of software when we will be entering '10 not too long afterwards, advance orders can only mean Snow Leopard will be out soon. Good.
As with any operating system upgrade, I will be waiting until later, say around the 10.6.3 point or so before upgrading in case there are any nasty surprises. I opted to miss the Leopard upgrade, since while I was watching and waiting Snow Leopard rumours started to fly around and I thought, why not wait - there's no hurry. The only concerns I have regarding Snow Leopard at the moment are to do with the GMA 950 I have on my MacBook. I look forward to reading posts on this forum telling us that it all works fine.
The other operating system I am watching is Windows 7 - I have had no problems with Vista as such, but if it is as smooth and slick as I am told it is, then this can't be a bad thing. 2010 may be the year I upgrade all my machines...
ok hopefully someone can answer this for me.
say i buy a mac on the day snow leopard is released, and i get one of those drop in discs in the box. If i choose to erase and install using the snow leopard disc, will it erase the iLife 09 that came with the mac? If so, would i need to buy iLife 09 again for 80 bucks?
do you think it's best to wait unless macs come with snow leopard preinstalled?
say i buy a mac on the day snow leopard is released, and i get one of those drop in discs in the box. If i choose to erase and install using the snow leopard disc, will it erase the iLife 09 that came with the mac? If so, would i need to buy iLife 09 again for 80 bucks?
do you think it's best to wait unless macs come with snow leopard preinstalled?
Oh please, I know tons of people who have an NES, and yes, many more than people who own PowerPC Macs or iPhones, but I can't think of a single one that still uses the damn things anymore. I still have my old Atari laying around here somewhere too, but that doesn't mean I ever use it! LOL
Seriously, if there were so many people still using their NES, companies would be clamoring to bring out new games for the systems still!
You've got PowerPC Macs purchased less than 3 years ago and people who purchased Leopard for $129 before Snow Leopard was announced who are now left out in the cold and will not get the Snow Leopard bug fixes.
I never said Leopard was a disaster, but its definitely not as stable as the last Tiger version still. So yes, I think PowerPC Leopard users have a valid right to complain.
Obviously, Intel people are annoyed by these complaints, but deal with it.
It's people like me that kept Apple in business buying both PowerPC and Intel Macs, and even Macs before PowerPC.
If Snow Leopard were not really just a version of Leopard and mainly bug fixes and optimizations, PowerPC users would not feel like they were left out in the cold.
After all, we did pay the same $129!
I take it like this.
You have 10.5 and upgrade disk. Upgrade to SL.
6 months later you want to do a fresh instal. Wouldn't the upgrade disk of SL work to do a fresh install since you are already running SL?
What I've asked of you is a definitive link that substantiates your claim that 10.6 will require 10.5 to exist in order to for the installation to occur. Without that, it's just an opinion. My opinion is the opposite, and it is based on the following:
1. No retail 10.x.0 installation has ever looked for the existence of an earlier license. You could always pop that DVD into any Mac that meets the basic requirements, and install onto a clean HD.
2. Apple has never differentiated between single and volume retail OS install disks. The single user disk for Leopard can be installed on as many qualified Macs as you like; the Family pack is run on the honour system.
Where 10.6 is different, is in that they are calling it an upgrade, and charging an unusually low MSRP. I believe they are doing so because, as it is not a feature-driven release, there would be little incentive for the user base to switch. Additionally, can you imagine the uproar at the consumer level, should they charge the usual $129 and NOT had the cornucopia of app upgrades we've seen in the past?
Again, with the exception of the numbered points above, this is my opinion. I might be wrong. If you had said as much, we wouldn't still be talking about this.
Now as to the complaining. License payment aside, it wouldn't bother me greatly if you needed to install 10.5 in order for 10.6 to work on a new HD, at least the first few times. Who I feel sorry for, are the larger studios and labs that have a larger number of Macs to handle. I can tell you, that is something to complain about.
EDIT: Actually, I have not had any experience with Drop-in DVDs. Apple may indeed take that approach with the $29 version, which would make it the first exception to point #1 above.
If it works the same way as the Leopard Drop-in DVD I've got, then yes.
When you start installing, it first runs a program which checks the operating system currently on the hard drive. On the disc I've got, if Tiger or Leopard is already on the hard drive, it proceeds to the start screen for installing Leopard.
If there is no operating system currently on the drive, or an earlier version of OS X, it just gives an error message and spits the DVD out.
so after i install snow leopard, i jsut pop in the leopard disc and reinstall iLife from there?
IIRC, iLife '09 was released in March and iWork was released in April. That was just a few months ago. So if you are planning on upgrading in 2010 -- just so you can get updated versions of those applications -- you might want to hold off until next Spring.
Dude, honestly, either you're just trying to develop an annoyance with me or what, but I really wish you would stop misquoting me. In fact, I would answer your question if you pointed anywhere that I said that the retail boxed version of Mac OS X required or checked for a previous version of OS X before installing?
I don't expect to see stellar Snow Leopard sales for one simple reason...
At least 1/4th to one third of Mac users cannot even use it!
At least 1/4th to one third of Mac users cannot even use it!
1) If you're such an old time Mac user, how upset were you with the first OS that no longer supported your 030 or 040 chipset?
2) Did you ever think that one of the biggest problems with Leopard is that it's trying to support two architectures? At some point, you can either upgrade or your hardware will become out of date. I would bet the bugs and performance limitations we've seen come from this dual development/dual support. PowerPCs probably can't support the grand central optimizations. Three years is a long time in technology, and it's time to move onward and upward. If you were so happy with Tiger, downgrade to it and stick with it.
3) The NES is probably the second most important system in the world of retro gaming (MAME being the first). Trust me, lots of people play it. They don't want or care about new games, but it is used all the time.
All anyone wants answered is one simple question:
If I buy the SL upgrade, pull every single HD from my system and replace them with new ones, will I need to install 10.5 before installing 10.6? Or will the 10.6 upgrade disk be able to provide a full install if the hard drives are 100% blank and have never had 10.5 on them?
No one knows for sure yet. It is a new, unreleased Apple product we are talking about and you should already know they like to keep everything secret for as long as possible.
If we assume it works the same as previous upgrade and drop-in DVD releases, then yes, you will need to install 10.5 on your blank HD.
That's the upgrade disc. I never said anything about the Snow Leopard boxed set requiring a preinstalled version of Leopard.
At this point this will be my last post because I know who I'm dealing with and a few of you just want to twist words and start fights and I'm not into this. So, I'm off to posting on MR where people are less rude.
So we don't get any corroboration to your statement? That's all we asked for. Otherwise you don't have any new information for us.That's the upgrade disc. I never said anything about the Snow Leopard boxed set requiring a preinstalled version of Leopard.
At this point this will be my last post because I know who I'm dealing with and a few of you just want to twist words and start fights and I'm not into this. So, I'm off to posting on MR where people are less rude.
We know how the upgrade discs have worked in the past. Is it just another I know like you all know sort of situation? You're going to need 10.5 on their first unless it pulls a Windows classic insert previous version disc then you can clean install.
Annoying if it requires pre-installation.
Patience is a virtue, I am always told...
Sounds like a good idea.
It's not that I use iLife/iWork a lot, but as a Tiger user I will be buying the box set unless Apple changes the upgrade path (http://www.apple.com/uk/macosx/specs.html). By the time 10.6.3 is out we'll be in 2010 anyway...
So: Spring '10 I get two new operating systems to work and play with.
Sounds like a good idea.
It's not that I use iLife/iWork a lot, but as a Tiger user I will be buying the box set unless Apple changes the upgrade path (http://www.apple.com/uk/macosx/specs.html). By the time 10.6.3 is out we'll be in 2010 anyway...
So: Spring '10 I get two new operating systems to work and play with.
#1) After MacOS 8.1, the 68040 chips were not supported, but there were tons of PowerPC upgrade cards for various machines for many years afterwards that could have kept those machines running for a long time. Mac users tend to use their machines longer than Windows/Intel switcher PC types are used to. I've had MacOS 10.2 JAGUAR running on both a PowerMac 8600 and a Performa 6500! So no, I didn't really feel abandoned by Apple since there were lots of options out there, unlike with Snow Leopard. And yes, that PowerMac 8600 will still boot MacOS X today, although I've retired the machine obviously.
I bet if I tried hard enough, I could get Tiger booted and working on it, but its not worth the effort obviously.
#2) People have posted over and over about how the vast majority of Snow Leopard's BUG FIXES could be applied to PowerPC since G5s, both towers and iMacs are 64bit machines. Only some of the video-related things in Snow Leopard technically won't work on most PowerPC machines, well at least not with the stock underpowered video card that Apple usually shipped on all PowerPC Macs. And btw, those features also won't work on many INTEL Macs either! That's something you INTEL people have yet to realize.
Yes, even many INTEL users are being left out in the cold on Snow Leopard.
They just don't know it yet.
#3) Like I stated previously, comparing retro gaming to iPhones and PowerPC Macs is a completely nonsensical Apples to Oranges comparison that makes no compelling point. Plus, the NES is ridiculously much older. That would be like me complaining that my Powermac 6100 won't run Snow Leopard, which I'm obviously not.
I'm simply complaining that Apple is abandoning people who spent $129 on Leopard within the last year and a half and sold them that $129 Leopard without them knowing their computer would no longer be supported with the Snow Leopard BUG FIXES.
Basically this is a $29 BUG FIX release that's limited to INTEL people only.
And I suspect there will be some kind of class action lawsuit since the 2 products are even called almost THE SAME THING!
PS: I still have a working Mac that can run Apple ][e software!
And yes, Apple produced that card to support Apple ][ compatibility.
This PowerPC Snow Leopard decision goes against Apple's long standing policies going back decades.