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OK I had to respond to this garbage because this is like the 4th time this nonsense has been uttered by this person. 1) IT IS infact 4K. FPS has absolutely nothing to do with resolution. 2) If you were streaming FILMS, which is what 99% of people with steamers do, then it wouldnt matter a whit with 60 fps, because almost every film ever made for the past 100 years is 24 FPS. And you absolutely WOULD NOT want a player that upconverts that to 60 hz because it would look like garbage. So to summarize, YES its 4K and yes if youre watching movies youd get no better experience with 60 fps

Finally someone who understands 24 fps.
 
You'll also have to buy a new Fire TV when it supports 4K video - this one doesn't.

But you were fooled. I guess that's what Amazon marketing does, put in half-baked things, but tricks people into thinking they're the real deal.
From Amazon:
Amazon Fire TV now brings you 4K Ultra High Definition streaming capability, giving you a best-in-class television experience with true-to-life picture quality when used with compatible 4K Ultra HD TVs—something Apple TV, Roku, and Chromecast don’t support.

It may not support all the frame rate and HDR yet, but it can stream 4K.
 
Alexa support is nice, but where this will still fall down is App support, the Amazon ecosystem cannot compare to Apple's
and the Apps make the Device. 4K support is hedgy, I see nothing here to make me not buy the ATV and I already own the current FireTV

You don't need 1M apps on the appstore. Nobody cares about all of the crappy ones.

You just need a few (2-3) dozen amazing apps. You could do it all in house, or you might pay other companies to bring their apps to your platform.

If Amazon wants to enter the gaming market, that's completely possible. There's no reason they couldn't enter it now just like Microsoft entered it in 2001.

If Apple wants to be a serious player in the gaming market, they need some real partners. Nobody is going to run out and buy the new Apple TV for Crossy Roads. They need some AAA games like Nintendo, Valve, or Blizzard produce.
 
A big difference is the paltry amount of storage on the new Fire TV. 8 gigs means most stuff will be stored on a cloud or on a separate micro sd card (max 128 gig) which costs about another $50+ for one with decent transfer speeds.
 
I wish they had admitted that the first generation wasn't good for gaming. I bought it so I could have an easy way to play GTA and other older games with a controller along with the television features. The games eat up a majority of the hard drive space to where you can only have a few on at a time. If you want to add another, you have to delete the other games. Even transferring the games to an external hard drive leaves gigs of data behind because the user data is apparently larger than what is seen as the game data. I was very disappointed with the Amazon Fire TV for this reason.

Amazon Fire, Apple TV, and Roku are nowhere near to giving any real competition to the Xbox, Playstation, or the Wii, even the previous generations.
 
This is an easy decision for me. Versus AppleTV Id take this every time because it has both prime video and Netflix. I have both, so its no real contest. The 4K of course is awesome for the future when I get one. I have never used Apple video services so I see no benefit there for the Apple TV.
 
This is what the Apple TV Gen 4 should have been. What a shame. Not going to buy it though as Amazon's content is blah at best.
 
OK I had to respond to this garbage because this is like the 4th time this nonsense has been uttered by this person. 1) IT IS infact 4K. FPS has absolutely nothing to do with resolution. 2) If you were streaming FILMS, which is what 99% of people with steamers do, then it wouldnt matter a whit with 60 fps, because almost every film ever made for the past 100 years is 24 FPS. And you absolutely WOULD NOT want a player that upconverts that to 60 hz because it would look like garbage. So to summarize, YES its 4K and yes if youre watching movies youd get no better experience with 60 fps

1) 4K is a new standard which is about more than just resolution. 2160p is one part of it. It isn't all of it.

2) 24fps unconverted to 30fps looks like garbage too. However, 24fps, 30fps, and 60fps all can be converted quite nicely into 120fps because the math works and there are no dropped or doubled frames.
 
Before all the new ATV haters get too excited: It doesn't mention specific HDMI version support, and specifically says it's limited to "2160p up to 30fps."

So, no 4K at 60fps, and no HDR - both features of HMDI 2.0.

Most likely this does not support HDMI 2.0, and isn't "really" 4K in the sense of taking advantage of the features of a 4K tv other than only the resolution.

Most streaming options for 4K are 30 fps for viewing. My Vizio has 4 2.0 HDMI at 30 fps and 1 capable of 60 fps designated for gaming or true UHD 4K players so the player could be 2.0 HDMI at 30fps.
 
I'm getting one. Don't need it but getting one. Had the original but gave it away. This 2.0 version seems to be what they all should be. I've got 3 Chromecasts and a Roku. This will make a nice addition. Seems to be a better value than the ATV when compared at equal price points. The $139 Fire TV Gaming Edition vs the ATV at $149. Not that hard of a decision for me considering what you get for your $. I'm not exclusively in one ecosystem so there's no advantage for the ATV in that regard.
 
1) 4K is a new standard which is about more than just resolution. 2160p is one part of it. It isn't all of it.

2) 24fps unconverted to 30fps looks like garbage too. However, 24fps, 30fps, and 60fps all can be converted quite nicely into 120fps because the math works and there are no dropped or doubled frames.
The conversion only matters at the playing device, the source material will have a certain frame rate and it is up to the TV to determine if it will display it natively or convert.
 
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1) 4K is a new standard which is about more than just resolution. 2160p is one part of it. It isn't all of it.

2) 24fps unconverted to 30fps looks like garbage too. However, 24fps, 30fps, and 60fps all can be converted quite nicely into 120fps because the math works and there are no dropped or doubled frames.

Actually no, 4K is the resolution and thats it. And frame rate absolutely is not a factor in designation, because as I said virtually every film released in the past 100 years will be released in 4K at 24P, their native resolution.

As to question #2, while I will grant that 120 is better than 60 as a multiple of both 24 and 30, I wouldnt want conversion at all on films from the source. Its created in 24P, output it the same.
 
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I sold all my ATV's for Fire devices and never looked back. There is not a single thing you can do on ATV that can't be done faster and better with Fire TV.
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Apple has a new Apple TV coming out next month that will have software the Fire TV won't have.
(In case you didn't realize)
 
I own an Amazon Fire TV and it is NOT the "future of tv." Making it 4K won't change anything either. Not saying Apple TV will rule the pack but it's already getting software support (MLB, Disney Infiinity for example) that the other set top boxes lack.
Could be because they don't offer 4K content on iTunes? Sharp just announced an 8K TV on Monday - does that mean all the 4K TVs are out of date?

Wait, are you saying Apple TV is the "future of TV"? Laughable.
If this isn't the future, then Apple TV most definitely won't be.
 
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