I completely understand how apps are made. I also understand that Apple took time to work with other app developers ahead of launch so they would have some product which they do not. That is on Apple.
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I completely understand how apps are made. I also understand that Apple took time to work with other app developers ahead of launch so they would have some product which they do not. That is on Apple.
Apple has absolutely no control, not any, not even a tiny little bit, over who does and does not make an app for their devices.
They can try to encourage the developers to create an app if they feel strongly enough about it. But that still won't guarantee the app will be made. If someone creates an app and it doesn't come up to scratch it will be rejected until the issues are resolved. As evidenced by Plex, who had to submit their app 3 times to Apple before they managed to iron out the kinks and get it approved.
If Vudu, Amazon or anyone else wants to release an app on the Apple TV. They can, they just haven't. That's why there isn't one it has nothing whatsoever to do with Apple working with them or not.
This is not like the old Apple TV's where a content provider would have to work directly with Apple to have a channel added to the interface, those days are gone. Dead. Buried. The way it works now that the Apple TV has a proper App Store is exactly how it works on iOS. 1)Make App 2)Submit App 3)Release App. It's that simple.
No one outside of Apple and the developers know who did and did not get early access to the Apple TV system. For all we know Amazon were offered the opportunity to get an app ready for launch and declined altogether. Hell, even I got an Apple TV before its release to the public.
You left off the major sticking point with other content providers. Pay me your 30%.
It's all fine and dandy that you feel the way you do about this, but for the life of me I do not understand how Apple can roll out a streaming product this half baked, complete with hardware deficiencies that scream "you'll have to buy a new one in a year or two" to keep up with technology. Apple could do us all a favor and make an iTunes app for other streaming products. Then they can focus on their ecosystem sales instead of pump us all up for this mess.
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As has been discussed many, many times. There are ways to avoid, or negate that 30% cut.
And while we're on the subject, don't try and make Apple out to be the big bad guy as far as that's concerned. Care to take a guess as to what percentage of revenue Amazon, Google and Microsoft take from their respective App Stores? Go on, no? I'll save you the bother then. It's 30%.
You're right. They are the greatest! They lock us into their ecosystem then offer an already dated piece of hardware to access it. This is how companies fail. This is how Apple has failed before, so forgive the concern while I sit on a few thousand dollars worth of digital media.
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Oh please, you're grasping at straws. Don't like the Apple ecosystem? Fine, cut the cord and go elsewhere, there are plenty of tools available that would allow you to strip out any DRM in Apple purchased media allowing you to move it along with you wherever you decide to go. There's absolutely nothing to permanently tie anyone to any provider.
If you knew anything at all about the capabilities of the Apple TV hardware you would know that it's far from dated. No 4K playback? not a limitation of the hardware (how do I know this? I've already tested decoding 4K content on my Apple TV Dev Kit. Did that long before it's release. Not that I had to, people proved the iPhone 6 was capable of 4K playback long ago and as it's basically the same hardware...) The lack of 4K is a business decision based on the small market share of 4K televisions and the relative lack of 4K content. Apple aren't going to push to get 4K into their own store until there's a large enough user base out there for them to make a decent return on. Other than that the hardware is plenty capable of running apps and more than capable of running games suited to the type of device it is. It's not trying to be a Mac Pro.
As I said, I'll happily admit to Apples flaws. I'm still a bit peeved that there's no BlueTooth keyboard support, or that the Remote App hasn't been updated. I'm annoyed that given the time they had they managed to release the Apple TV without a better implementation of Siri and many other things. But this Amazon nonsense is just that, nonsense, it's a situation created by and controlled by Amazon and no one else.
Vudu? Really? You really are delusional aren't you?
Well, anyway... I feed you once. I'm not going to feed you again.
Have a nice life.
So how do you access your UV content? Vudu is the best method for doing so. It's one more example of Apple failing to get this product right. Don't know why you couldn't grasp that.
You lost your credibility with Troll already. I'm heavily invested in Apple products and obviously frustrated. So allow some venting.
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Yeah I give up too, you only get your fingers bitten and waste valuable (virtual) air. And those Gamorrean wounds are a bugger to heal
*Please excuse the bizarre references, my medication has kicked in
The lack of 4K is a failure, but it doesn't really matter as Apple probably doesn't have a way to support store content that this stage. That said, if you're going to launch a product into the 4K environment why to you hamstring it with HDMI 1.4? Especially when other content providers, like Netflix, have been pumping 4K for nearly a year and now offers it. It's stupid crap like this that is just mind boggling. They then charge a premium for the hardware. Again, they can't get this product right. Better off just developing an app for a Roku or Invidia device that doesn't even give a crap about anything other than being a piece of hardware. Heck at this point if they put out an app for an X-Box I'd go drop the money on that just to simplify the hardware environment.
Don't know where you got the idea I don't like their ecosystem. I have multiple ecosystems and not by choice. Which is why 99% of us want access to them without having to have six different pieces of equipment to access them.
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No they do not have to pay 30%. Hulu, Netflix, Crunchyroll, Feelin' , Google, CBS etc...don't have to pay Apple a single dime. Because Apple allows users to sign up directly with each provider. You have the OPTION of signing up through iTunes.
Perhaps then your time could be better spent contacting the companies who provide your media and suggesting that they make an app for the Apple TV. They are after all solely responsible for providing, or not providing, an app on the platform. If there is enough user demand for something, often the companies will respond in kind.
Although I wouldn't hold your breath for Amazon, so far they have quite clearly shown that they don't want their customers to have access to their media via an Apple TV. One of, but not the main, reasons I cancelled my contract with them and gave my money to a more flexible company.
But nonetheless, it would certainly be more productive than whinging about it on here, which achieves absolutely nothing at all.
Your main reason was no doubt you think Amazon's workers are mistreated (have to work for a living). Got that a long time ago. No one spends as much time on an issue making excuses like this. I suppose you gave to Apple, because China.
People are going on about it here because it's an Apple forum. Plain and simple.
This must be why the iOS apps don't allow purchases. You're not purchasing competing ecosystem content on Hulu, Netflix, Crunchyroll etc...You are subscribing to a channel.
Apple is making the same mistakes they made decades ago. Ignored competition and acted like they knew best instead of being inventive and reaching out to the competition on collaboration to provide the best product for everyone. Maybe you weren't around to witness it. Mac have always been better than the PC, but Apple fell asleep and the world changed around it like it is right now,
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Amazons workers? when did they enter into this ongoing debacle? Seriously, you're just making things up as you go along now. I enjoy a good debate as much as the next person, sadly this doesn't even come close to being a good debate. There is no consistent structure or grounding in fact, just a string of complete and utter nonsense with very little grasp on the reality of a situation.
Thank the gods and the creators of this forum that there is a really simple way for me not to have to endure your drivel, goodbye and good luck.
Mmmmm popcorn
Although I'm on a bit of a monkey nuts obsession at the moment. Or, thanks to my tongue tripping up my words when the morphine kicks in, as they are now now in our household. Monkey butts
To bad I would have had to respond to such a silly notion considering they demonstrated working apps before TVOS was widely available, which meant collaboration.
Enjoy your popcorn.
For the same reason other ecosystems are available on other hardware platforms, well, pretty much every hardware platform except AppleTV. To remain competitive and relevant.
Apple needs competitive ecosystem to remain relevant..... Serious???
Uh... Sales figures, rampant device placement in popular TV shows and movies, unsolicited endorcements from celebrities and much more says otherwise.
As a lot of people have said before. tvOS is open to whomever wants to make an App. Go ask Vudu, Amazon, Google if/when they will make an app.
Lots of people have. And most responses have been they have no plans to. Whatever. I blame these companies.....nothing stopping them. To me what it comes down to now is that Vudu/Amazon/etc simply don't care about the Apple user. We are not on their radar. If they can't have a full app on the TV, they are choosing no app.
-Kevin
And we're (Apple users) not on the UV radar either anymore which is a big problem given the issue with digital copy availablity these days on iTunes. The whole purpose of the digital copy environment is you can have your physical media in the main viewing area and watch digital copies on smaller screens be them in another room or on the road. On the road works, but other room viewing is just a mess.
Apple/Google/Microsoft/Amazon will never be in UV - just won't happen. Too much to lose from content lock-in.
Only ones we can blame here are the Vudu/Flixster/CinemaNow/M-GO people. None seem to care about quality of their iOS apps, most likely because they can't make money off them directly in app - and that will also never change. The sooner these companies realize that we want a UV client on the ATV/iOS that works well - and that will give us the desire to still go to those stores even on our computers/phones to buy content - even if we can't do it in-app.
-Kevin
Google, Microsoft and Amazon are pretty much in UV because their devices have an app that can access the UV content. I honestly don't even care about in app purchases. I just don't want six different pieces of equipment to do the same thing. It's annoying as heck. I'd like DirecTV to build an app as well so I can dump the mini box and just stream content from the Genie Hub like I can to my iPad when I'm on the network. I think that's actually more likely to occur, but DirecTV probably sees it as losing a receiver fee so that may be a DOA idea as well. One can hope anyway. The RVU clients in some TV sets so there's a chance. The idea of having everything pumped through one media streaming should not only interest the consumer, but the maker of the hardware as well. It's keeps the user on a device where they can push their ecosystem any time the user is on the device.
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I'm similar to you.....I just want a viewing app at least now that the app store is available. No way Apple was letting them in before, but now they can't stop it.
And them at least having iOS apps baffles me as to why they don't just get an app on the TV. Cant' be any worse than having a viewing on iOS app. Amazon especially, since they ALLOW Airplay.....the others don't. But Amazon when it comes to software is lazy. Even software for their own devices is laggy and crap.
-Kevin