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I agree. The problem for Apple, as far as productivity goes, is that MSFT is just about to charge through the door, axe in hand, screaming "Here's Ballmer!".

And oh, i dont agree that Amazon should open up their own "app store eventually". Theres very little value in it for Amazon doing so (a part from pure necessities, for example after adding hardware not currently supported etc.) They have very much to gain from building on a stable, open, platform with a huge developer base.

They should've teamed up with MSFT though. Plenty of strategic synergies there. But... i guess its hard to get two giants to tango together without toes getting stepped on, so i am not that surprised that it didnt happen.


Amazon has their own App Store
 
These new products look amazing. I see Amazon being the next Apple, with a strong ecosystem which hardware and software work for each other. Great job Amazon, and I am looking forward to owning one of these in the future.
 
As myopic as some posters here :rolleyes:

Are you talking to yourself again? The Canadian dollar is sitting at 1.01730 USD right now. Canadians are fully prepared to "spend" money on products but many US companies simply cannot see the forest for the trees.

The Amazon model is not sustainable in the long run. They cannot continue to subsidize their hardware with content sales.

Are you even aware of how Google makes their money? They are an advertising company and they view you as their "product" rather than their customer. You continue to defend the Android ecosystem despite the fact that you are just a cog in the big machine rather than a valued customer.

Google can survive if people stop buying Android devices but their OEM partners cannot. Apple survives or dies based on sales of their software and hardware to ordinary people like you and me. See the difference?
 
I think Microsoft should of kept their two operating systems separate. Windows 8 desktop is just not optimized for touch like Metro/WinRT is going to be on tablets. User experience is going to play a part in being adopted too.

Ehh, WinRT's desktop is merely there to run office and do whatever tweaking you can't do via the Modern UI.
 
No one reads the posts at the bottom of these threads ... Why bother commenting.

But I will more than likely get the kindle Fire HD mini over the Ipad mini. Apple will never be able to match those specs at that price.

That may be true, but on the other hand Amazon will never be able to match the iOS interface experience. Experience shows me Amazon software is not intuitive and is buggy.
 
Right, because US == The world? :rolleyes: Amazon is so myopic that they will never "steal" the tablet market. They cannot see the big picture.

Amazon can't see the big picture? I challenge you to re-think that.

Study their financials and where they allocate their profits, then tell me if you still agree with your statement. If you have listened to Amazon's conference calls of the last 5 years and look at how they are reinvesting their profits, you would have known they are essentially building a retail army ready for a world war. Apple only started to seriously reinvest their profits when they began to get involved in iCloud (data centers). Each method of investment has it's pros and cons, but to make a statement like your's wreaks of uneducated fanboy at the least.

As a consumer, I am very interested to see how this new iPad Mini will compete now that Amazon has significantly increased their offerings
 
Yes, then losing customers. The new Kindle Fire/HD is an excellent product at a low price.

It has excellent specs, we have zero idea how it will actually perform. Based on past Kindle Fire software performance, to say it's an excellent product is very premature.
 
That may be true, but on the other hand Amazon will never be able to match the iOS interface experience. Experience shows me Amazon software is not intuitive and is buggy.

Both of which are fixable, as the device and operating system matures.

For such a buggy platform and lack of intuitive UI, their Kindle Fire gen 1 was rather successful. The new Fire offering Amazon just announced today takes it up several notches.

As a consumer, I am interested in seeing the iPad Mini and the new Fire HD battle it out in the market place.
 
While Microsoft is already much ingrained in business, they are not in the mobile, tablet for business market. Apple is already in the game. Its Microsoft that has to catch up.



I think Microsoft should of kept their two operating systems separate. Windows 8 desktop is just not optimized for touch like Metro/WinRT is going to be on tablets. User experience is going to play a part in being adopted too.

The truck has to catch up with the deer too, before leaving a bloody pool on the pavement. The sleeping giant is wide awake, and its offering is undoubtedly good enough for IT-departments to truly need a good reason not to pick MSFT (personally, i'd say its superior, but my point holds regardless). From an enterprise perspective, going with MSFT "just works", to speak Apple-tongue.

As for your second remark, i think you are wrong. First, touch is becoming ubiquitous. Perhaps not touch screens, but in the coming years we'll see rapid adoptions of trackpads, smart mice, and other ways of intuitive ways of interacting with the new interface. Second, the "touch interface" is essentially an interface you really dont have to spend much time using, unless you actually want to: the desktop is still there for all purposes necessary.

Also, MSFT has an ace up their sleeve with Kinect, that could easily be integrated in future AOI-kits, if necessary. Combined with the other things mentioned under point one, this - i believe - will make the transition fairly seamless.

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Think about it: if you were to convince an IT-department, already standardized on MSFT, to buy iPads instead of W8 tablets - what would be your core argument? Can you, honestly, think of even one that would be convincing enough?
 
Yes, then losing customers. The new Kindle Fire/HD is an excellent product at a low price.

Agreed.

As an iPad 2 and iPhone 4S owner, I am seriously questioning my decision to stick with iOS especially now that the Amazon App Marketplace for Android has most Android apps that I use most. This wasn't the case when the Kindle Fire gen 1 came out and several months into product launch, which was the reason i decided to go with an iPad 2 refurb.

Unless Apple's new iPad Mini offers something good and simply not just an iPad 2's worth of specs in a smaller package...Apple is going to lose new customers and possibly current customers who haven't fully adopted the Apple eco system.

As a consumer, I love to see competition as it means whichever product I go with, will have increased innovation
 
Are you talking to yourself again? The Canadian dollar is sitting at 1.01730 USD right now. Canadians are fully prepared to "spend" money on products but many US companies simply cannot see the forest for the trees.

The Amazon model is not sustainable in the long run. They cannot continue to subsidize their hardware with content sales.

Are you even aware of how Google makes their money? They are an advertising company and they view you as their "product" rather than their customer. You continue to defend the Android ecosystem despite the fact that you are just a cog in the big machine rather than a valued customer.

Google can survive if people stop buying Android devices but their OEM partners cannot. Apple survives or dies based on sales of their software and hardware to ordinary people like you and me. See the difference?

No - I was referring to some like yourself - but you know that already which is why you tried to turn it around on me.

You have no idea what Amazon's business plan is nor the challenges they face in going global with their products. It's myopic to see things only from one (your) vantage point. Big picture thinking involves just that. And someone like yourself continually fails to see anything past Apple's universe. Good luck with that is all I'm saying.

I don't have allegiances to companies like some on here. The right tech for the right job. And my posts aren't anti this or pro that so much as they are coming from pretty neutral ground. But you'll see my posts as negative because I don't praise Apple (they don't need my praise as there's plenty of it here to go around) and that I dispute FUD and other "crap" that is simply folklore.

I own products from several companies. I actually have, use and love a lot of Apple products. That doesn't mean I can't criticize the company or give praise or support other companies that produce what I consider good hardware and software too.

Myopic would be to only believe Apple is the best and no one can compete with them.

PS - you're just a $ to Apple too. Don't kid yourself.
 
It has excellent specs, we have zero idea how it will actually perform. Based on past Kindle Fire software performance, to say it's an excellent product is very premature.

Actually, I would say it's a very educated guess as Amazon has gained experience in this segment of the market over the last year with their Kindle Fire gen 1.

Besides, the Kindle Fire gen 1 performance improved substantially with the software updates within the first couple of months. Could they have done a better job with performance on launch? - of course. Would spending more time and money on OS performance tweaks and thus missing the 2011 holiday season result in higher sales? - of course NOT. They made the calculated decision to release the gen 1 when they did and it worked out very well for them.

I expect the performance of the 2nd gen Fire selection to be significantly better.
 
I wouldn't watch either of those while on 3G/4G/LTE. Even with the usual 2GB the big providers give you, you'd burn through your allotment in no time flat. I mean 2GB is, what? A whole movie?

The deal Amazon is offering isn't meant for full on internet consumption. It's a cheap option for surfing in places where you don't have a convenient wifi connection. For $50 a year, it's not half bad.

I have 6 GB data.
 
Actually, I would say it's a very educated guess as Amazon has gained experience in this segment of the market over the last year with their Kindle Fire gen 1.

Besides, the Kindle Fire gen 1 performance improved substantially with the software updates within the first couple of months. Could they have done a better job with performance on launch? - of course. W

The very first iOS had plenty of issues as well. Something some people choose to forget
 
Ehh, WinRT's desktop is merely there to run office and do whatever tweaking you can't do via the Modern UI.

I took his beef to be the exact reverse: the problem is that Metro (**** modern) is included in Pro, not that theres a limited desktop in RT. Either way, i think its blown out of proportion. If it "doesnt work" on desktop, people wont use it other than as a start menu, and as a start menu, there are several ways of making it work.

Non issue, really. Its like having a coffee machine that brews lattes and espressos, even if you only really want to drink espressos. So ****ing what. Drink espressos!
 
Are you talking to yourself again? The Canadian dollar is sitting at 1.01730 USD right now. Canadians are fully prepared to "spend" money on products but many US companies simply cannot see the forest for the trees.

The Amazon model is not sustainable in the long run. They cannot continue to subsidize their hardware with content sales.

Are you even aware of how Google makes their money? They are an advertising company and they view you as their "product" rather than their customer. You continue to defend the Android ecosystem despite the fact that you are just a cog in the big machine rather than a valued customer.

Google can survive if people stop buying Android devices but their OEM partners cannot. Apple survives or dies based on sales of their software and hardware to ordinary people like you and me. See the difference?

Amazon's business model is not sustainable? You have absolutely no clue on how Amazon runs their business do you? Amazon's quarterly profits are low because 1) they sell at low profit margins to build massive revenue streams and 2) they reinvest nearly all remaining profits directly into their company's operations

Study Amazon's financials and where they allocate their profits, then tell me if you still agree with your statement. If you have listened to Amazon's conference calls of the last 5 years and look at how they are reinvesting their profits, you would have known they are essentially building an e-retail army ready for a world war. Apple only started to seriously reinvest their profits when they began to get involved in iCloud (data centers). The rest of Apple's cash sits idle, with a large chunk of it oversees without any chance of reinvestment due to the huge tax that would slapped on for lack of taxes paid for years and years. Each method of investment has it's pros and cons, but to make a statement like your's wreaks of uneducated fanboy at the least.

As a consumer, I am very interested to see how this new iPad Mini will compete now that Amazon has significantly increased their offerings
 
Actually, I would say it's a very educated guess as Amazon has gained experience in this segment of the market over the last year with their Kindle Fire gen 1.

Besides, the Kindle Fire gen 1 performance improved substantially with the software updates within the first couple of months. Could they have done a better job with performance on launch? - of course. Would spending more time and money on OS performance tweaks and thus missing the 2011 holiday season result in higher sales? - of course NOT. They made the calculated decision to release the gen 1 when they did and it worked out very well for them.

I expect the performance of the 2nd gen Fire selection to be significantly better.

One shouldnt ignore the obvious fact that better hardware will smooth over some of the software issues, either.

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Amazon's business model is not sustainable? You have absolutely no clue on how Amazon runs their business do you? Amazon's quarterly profits are low because 1) they sell at low profit margins to build massive revenue streams and 2) they reinvest nearly all remaining profits directly into their company's operations

Study Amazon's financials and where they allocate their profits, then tell me if you still agree with your statement. If you have listened to Amazon's conference calls of the last 5 years and look at how they are reinvesting their profits, you would have known they are essentially building an e-retail army ready for a world war. Apple only started to seriously reinvest their profits when they began to get involved in iCloud (data centers). The rest of Apple's cash sits idle, with a large chunk of it oversees without any chance of reinvestment due to the huge tax that would slapped on for lack of taxes paid for years and years. Each method of investment has it's pros and cons, but to make a statement like your's wreaks of uneducated fanboy at the least.

As a consumer, I am very interested to see how this new iPad Mini will compete now that Amazon has significantly increased their offerings

Indeed. Out of Apple, Google, MSFT and Apple, i would say the most likely to still stand strong well into the next decade is Amazon. Few companies have ever been as dominant.
 
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