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That's a total deal killer for me. I was considering getting one, but I will not have ads forced upon me by a product I paid for.
 
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ick....Ads....... Something you can't op-out of is not cool...

I'd rather an opt-in approach, than an op-out anyway. Of course, it would kill Amazon.
 
Even shadier is the fact that it wasn't mentioned yesterday by Amazon at the unveiling. If I'm paying $500 for a piece of tech, it better be ad-free. No thanks.
 
Regarding the ads - since they are only on the lock screen I wonder if you will ever see them if using the cover - since it has an instant on when opening the cover like iPad does you would think you'd never see the lock screen...
 
Sounds like there is confusion amongst the Amazon ranks. I think it's safer to say "we'll see" then No or Yes right now

Not really. Apparently a support person said you would be able to opt-out by paying. Now Amazon's spokespeople have confirmed to multiple sites (Engadget, The Verge) that you won't be able to opt-out.

However, I don't really see this as some huge deal. Amazon is providing a very nice device at a very aggressive price. They also seem to care about the user experience so I can't imagine these ads will get in the way.
 
um, other than apple devices or computers with itunes installed, no... i can't. Can you?
Of course you can. They are DRM-free AAC files, anything that can play AAC files can use them. And if you are one of the five people on Earth who still uses a device that cannot play AACs, you can batch-convert them to MP3s inside iTunes (or with lots of other tools).

There are plenty of things to criticise with Apple but as long as people just (incorrectly) assume their arguments I cannot help myself but thinking that criticising Apple is more used as a way of letting of steam at a convenient target than expressing a valid opinion.
 
Not really. Apparently a support person said you would be able to opt-out by paying. Now Amazon's spokespeople have confirmed to multiple sites (Engadget, The Verge) that you won't be able to opt-out.

However, I don't really see this as some huge deal. Amazon is providing a very nice device at a very aggressive price. They also seem to care about the user experience so I can't imagine these ads will get in the way.
The ads will only be on the lock screen when the device is idle.
My daughters Kindle does this when you're not reading anything.
It rotates ads on the screen when in standby mode.
Sounds totally acceptable to me since it allows them to offer the device at a decent price.
 
So no TV, magazines, newspapers or Nascar for you, eh?

I don't pay for TV, get my news online and hate NASCAR. Paying $500 for a device and then have ads thrown at me is silly.

I wonder how much they are able to cut the price by using these ads.
 
Relax. Can you read an ebook from Amazon on an iPad or iPhone. Yes. Can you read an iBook on a kindle? On a computer? No.

Can you watch a movie from Amazon on the iPad. Yes. Can you watch an iTunes movie on a Kindle fire or other non-Apple device. No.

You can argue UI all you want. My point was that if someone wants to access their content on as many different devices as possible - Amazon's media works. Apple's ecosystem does not. That's factual - not judgmental or critical.

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Your opinion. Lots of what Apple and other tech companies promote aren't groundbreaking or amazing. There's nothing MISLEADING about their messaging. What's misleading?

Obviously there's little that would please you. Especially since the data is offered on ATT. Enjoy your bitterness.



So Apple and other tech companies promote things that aren't groundbreaking or amazing sometimes. That makes me wrong about the fact that this is nothing special? Nice argument :rolleyes:

Get personal much?
 
Jeff Bezos is another Steve Jobs wanna be. Get the hair transplants. Grow it back, drop the jacket. Then you may be as cool. Til then, the best girls out there don't want to ride in your yacht.
 
So no TV, magazines, newspapers or Nascar for you, eh?

I love it; had Amazon launched with the promise to refuse anyone the right to see adds on their lock screen, I would hazard a guess, that would have been a "deal breaker" for the exact same folks.

I mean, an add sitting on your device, whilst in standby, when not in use, that disappears with 2-3 seconds of picking it up?
 
Apple seems to be seriously falling behind in hardware offerings on mobile products. They need to pick things up and/or drop prices for sure.

Never mind that everyone knows Apple will be announcing a new phone tis week and a new iPad soon enough, the sales of Apple products would prove you wrong. Up until a month ago the iPhone was still the top selling phone in US. Some may say that was because of Samsung, but I would say that is because everyone has known for 6 months the iPhone was coming in the Fall.

what was your point again?
 
Never mind that everyone knows Apple will be announcing a new phone tis week and a new iPad soon enough, the sales of Apple products would prove you wrong. Up until a month ago the iPhone was still the top selling phone in US. Some may say that was because of Samsung, but I would say that is because everyone has known for 6 months the iPhone was coming in the Fall.

what was your point again?

I said they're behind in hardware, not sales. Reread my post.

The point is that this year's updates had better be good ones.
 
So I was thinking last night about the new Paperwhite display technology Amazon made where the light does not emit outward towards the reader, but instead downward towards the text.

I thought, would it be possible to take the same technology and build a television with it? How cool would that be to watch TV at night and not have tons of light blaring off the screen at you, yet you can still see and enjoy what you're watching?

You heard it here first folks! *Marches off to the patent office*
 
Agreed which is why I made the comment, the service is a fantastic deal. :cool:

Word is also that the LTE is being supplied by AT&T so........you will have LTE in about 50 cities but that is about it compared to Verizon with LTE in 300 cities and growing fast. Even my little city here in North Carolina has LTE by Verizon. We just got 3G from AT&T about 2 yrs ago. I think I had my iPhone 4 before we got 3G.
 
I love it; had Amazon launched with the promise to refuse anyone the right to see adds on their lock screen, I would hazard a guess, that would have been a "deal breaker" for the exact same folks.

I mean, an add sitting on your device, whilst in standby, when not in use, that disappears with 2-3 seconds of picking it up?

I for one wouldn't mind if they said that (gee, you won't throw ads at me? You promise?).

To me it's more the principle honestly. If they want to knock off some of the price I may go for it if it's that unobtrusive. But to force me to have them, even if I was willing to pay more? Especially on a high priced item (you can get away with free stuff or cheap stuff, people will be more willing to overlook that. But I do think they are pushing it when they do it on their higher priced items). Yeah, that would piss me off and I'd have to really want that particular tablet (not just be interested in a tablet and trying to make a decision between which one) to get over it and I'd still be pissed about it. As is, if I were picking a tablet, and there was no ipad mini in the horizon (mainly cause I already have an iphone and imac I'd prefer it be an apple product that works with the eco system but doesn't have to be), that would be more more reason to pick the Nexus (which I saw and liked. The original Fire I saw I didn't like, was too heavy/dense in my opinion. THe reason I want a 7" is for easy holding in one hand and easy game playing... the ipad is hard on your wrist to play games cause it's so big and unwieldy. I like the 7" size for book reading and games, which is what I use my iPad for).

Hell, it would make me pause about getting an ipad mini if they were going to put ads on it without giving me a say in the matter (as it is, it's a moot point cause I don't have the money to justify any 7" when I already have a tablet that I got for free. I like it, I just would like a smaller one). I don't really need it to be in apple's ecosystem (Would be nice cause I already have a lot of apps for it) and that would piss me off enough to consider if I really need that part.

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So I was thinking last night about the new Paperwhite display technology Amazon made where the light does not emit outward towards the reader, but instead downward towards the text.

I thought, would it be possible to take the same technology and build a television with it? How cool would that be to watch TV at night and not have tons of light blaring off the screen at you, yet you can still see and enjoy what you're watching?

You heard it here first folks! *Marches off to the patent office*

That would be pretty damned awesome honestly.

Do it!!!! But please sell your patent to some one to actually use it if you aren't going to.
 
In the interest of an accurate comparison, I didn't count the e-ink Kindles because they really don't fit into the tablet category. If you want to discount color, capacity and wireless capabilities, it's simply 3 Kindles vs. 2 iPads (until a Mini is released). That's not really a big difference, compared to, say, OS X and Windows versions.

However, it's still a disingenuous argument to make because anyone buying an iPad has to make the decision. I like Apple's simple product line too. For the most part, it makes sense. But the fact is that Apple has a lot more SKU's for iPad than Amazon does for Kindle.

It's cool, I was really thinking more along the lines of having to research the different features each type of kindle (fire, paperwhite, DX, regular) offers versus there being practically the same features across iPads. Maybe I'm just not as patient a shopper these days haha.
 
I think the iPad mini is a great idea and will sell well, but I still prefer the iPad Maxi.. I mean.. uh... yeah. :D
 
So I was thinking last night about the new Paperwhite display technology Amazon made where the light does not emit outward towards the reader, but instead downward towards the text.

I thought, would it be possible to take the same technology and build a television with it? How cool would that be to watch TV at night and not have tons of light blaring off the screen at you, yet you can still see and enjoy what you're watching?

You heard it here first folks! *Marches off to the patent office*

One is eink, TV are LED, LCD or plasma. Totally different technologies
 
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