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Why is it with Apple they give you the exact amount of iPads sold and nobody doubts them, but all these other OEMs give figures you can't trust? I don't believe for a second Amazon sold 8 million Kindles in a year.

Apple is no better than any one else.
Apple never supplies the exact figures. What they supply is the number they shipped to there retailers like everyone else. Now when a product is selling as fast as your can produce them those numbers are on and the same.

You can not ever get the exact numbers sold. Apple can tell you how many it is has shipped to best buy but unless best buy for example returns those numbers of sold back to Apple then Apple does not know.
Apple can report the numbers from its own retail stores but can not report numbers from Amazon or Best buy other than what they have shipped to them.


Also I would not be surprised if Amazon sold 8 million kindles world wide. It has been out long enough that the the numbers sold is about what they report because if they stuff channels with shipments to retailers you get what happen to RIM where orders drop as companies sell of inventory. As long an inventory is not being returned they are doing pretty well.

Lastly you need to remember that the kindle and the iPad do not compete head to head. The kindle is an Ereader and that is all it is designed for. If you just want to read a book the kindle is by far better than the iPad and a hell of a lot cheaper to boot.
 
Why is it with Apple they give you the exact amount of iPads sold and nobody doubts them, but all these other OEMs give figures you can't trust? I don't believe for a second Amazon sold 8 million Kindles in a year.

because you've already preconditioned yourself to not believe them
 
the amazon arrow looks like a penis........

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It's a smile.

Then ... I googled "amazon logo smile"... I got the following tidbit o' info:

Amazon.com is a pioneer in the online retailing business. The company was founded by Jeff Bezos in 1994 and began as an online book store. However today Amazon sells anything and everything under the sun including CDS, DVD, Baby Products, Furniture, electronics, clothes etc. You could say that they sell everything from "A to Z".
The Amazon logo represents the very same message that they sell everything from A to Z and the arrow below the logo represents the smile that customers would experience by shopping on the Amazon.com website.

Over the lifetime, they have changed their logo quite a few times. For a complete history of the Amazon logo, visit this neat web page. SOURCE LINK

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FOR A HISTORY OF AMAZON LOGOS (including many graphics):

CLICK HERE
 
I guess it's possible he has a penis fixation. I'd be afraid to hear what he'd say about a banana. :D

Lol, that guy remember me the time I went to the see Watchmen in IMAX Screen, every time Dr. Manhattan appeared naked with that thing hanging around a guy in the next row made a silly sound every single time , kinda pervert.. :p
 
I wonder if this uses the Pixel QI technology we've been hearing so much about that no one seems to be using yet. Basically, e-ink display for reading books (which is superior to LCD for that particular function) and a full on LCD display for movies/apps.

It doesn't, but they are working on it, apparently.

Oh and one more thing: Amazon has been working on a multi-touch screen/e-ink hybrid tablet device. But that’s nowhere near completion, I’m told. So for now, this new Kindle will have to do.

I don't care about an Amazon Tablet until that happens. Now, I'd rather see an updated Kindle that removes the keyboard, adds touch like the nook, and epub support. (Basically, the Nook with Amazon's ecosystem, I guess!) Make it super cheap, even $49 or free with Prime subscriptions.
 
My only wish is Amazon can put better specs on this tablet than the one found in the HP TouchPad. I was one of those who couldn't get a TouchPad during that fire sale. Not that I am a big fan of tablets which essentially do the same things as my smartphone, but for $99/$149, I said why not? I miss webOS and it is cheaper than an iPod nano. Now I see TouchPads going for $250-$300 on Craigslist. If the specs can be better than the TouchPad even with a smaller screen, this would make me forget trying to hunt down a TouchPad from one of those greedy hoarders. I am hoping the build quality is at least on par with the BlackBerry PlayBook. Let's remember that nobody is beating Apple right now. Within a few years, iPad will still dominate in the tablet market. But nothing wrong with some competition. It like watching a basketball game. Do you really want to see 40pt blowouts everytime? So this isn't about beating Apple. It is about seeing Amazon succeeding on their own terms and being the #1 Android OEM for tablets.

I forgot Amazon started off an online bookstore before expanding to other offerings. So they started selling an e-book reader as their first tangible device before getting more into multimedia that they also offer. I trust buying from Amazon more than eBay and they have the best prices for memory cards and sometimes even phones. I would find it ironic that it might take a reasonable price coming from one of the biggest e-commerce company to boost sales for Android tablets. If only other Android OEM's were smart enough to think about that too. The best-selling Android tablet is coming from Amazon and they don't make smartphones or have any real experience with hardware. Like the Kindle, this could be another accidental success story.
 
You obviously don't.

Many, me included, do.

Yup...we have the iPad 1.0. Overpriced in my eyes (I have an iPhone so I'm a bit biased) and the wife (blackberry) agrees. It also is fairly limited in what I want it to do (especially for storing files and printing and requiring a computer just to turn it on and a pretty poor web browser compared to any browser on a PC in the past 5 years).

If the Amazon unit truly is 1/2 the price AND if it's pretty snazzy, I will pick one up and try it out. Or I will wait for iPad 3.0 next spring/summer.
 
Name a few hundred of the most beneficial uses.

He doesn't have to. 400K apps says it all. You can do everything on the iPad. Just for kicks - how about that AirTurn app that automatically turns to the next page of sheet music when it detects it from the sound of the piano? Cool or what?
 
Apple is no better than any one else.
Apple never supplies the exact figures. What they supply is the number they shipped to there retailers like everyone else. Now when a product is selling as fast as your can produce them those numbers are on and the same.

Apple does supply sales figures, for everything. Do you not read any of their quarterly reports?

In fact, Apple is quite eager to talk about sales figures for iPads, iPhones, Macs, nearly everything. This actually tends to distinguish them from a few of their competitors (some that will remain nameless) who would rather not mention them. Apple is one of the few who do not confuse "sold" with "shipped."

As far as "exact" sales numbers go, I'd say "sold 3.472 million Macs" and "sold 9.406 million iPods" (taken verbatim from their report for previous quarter) is probably pretty good for accuracy.
 
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Apple does supply sales figures, for everything. Do you not read any of their quarterly reports?

In fact, Apple is quite eager to talk about sales figures for iPads, iPhones, Macs, nearly everything.

I'm pretty sure Apple requires all retailers to report sales figures on a weekly basis for all products. So Apple knows every week exactly how many iPads Best Buy in America sold.
 
He doesn't have to. 400K apps says it all. You can do everything on the iPad. Just for kicks - how about that AirTurn app that automatically turns to the next page of sheet music when it detects it from the sound of the piano? Cool or what?

Sadly, I don't play the piano. So in this case, number are important, but if it was Microsoft or Android, the numbers are irrelevant.:D
 
How come Amazon announces an event before Apple does? They stole Apple's THUNDDEERRRRR!!!

/sarcasm.

Yeah, exactly as Palm did a couple years back.

$250 and just before Christmas, this could impact iPod touch sales. However, I'm not sure I'd find a device that only ran apps that direct me to buy from Amazon all that interesting. I already have a laptop for that.
 
The Kindle is OK at being a book reader. I wouldn't say it's great at it. The iPad is in fact great at it.

A lot of Kindle users would beg to differ. It has a very readable screen that is day on the eyes, is lightweight and portable, lasts a long time on a charge, delivers content remotely without having to pay for a data connection - all very useful features and what Kindle users I know like about the device. Add color and the ability to play movies and you've notched it up a lot - all at a fraction of an iPad's price.

The iPad is also great at thousands of other functions and uses. The Kindle is not.

However, many of those other uses are irrelevant to most users. Just because something can do something doesn't mean that feature is desirable.

Today, I don't think there is much room for dedicated stand alone products. We are in the area of do-everything products....which will continue until certain technologies and parts become cheap....at which point we'll return to one product/one function.

I disagree - do everything products often sacriface the ability to all things well in order to do everything. The iPad is great, but its size, weight, and battery life are tradeoffs it made to be a good product. For many users, the ability to do more than a color Kindle does not justify the added cost. provide the desired functionality at a compelling price and you will have a hit product - Amazon may just have that with a color Kindle.

Even so, the Kindle has the potential to be more than just an eReader / video player. The Amazon App store is a bit of a game changer for the Kindle since it enables adding features and capabilities. Add in 3/4G at the current rate structure and it could be even more compelling; especially if you can check emails, sync with exchange server, browse the web - all for a fraction of an iPad. It won't be as powerful, but that wouldn't matter to many people.

To me, the real question is "can Amazon cook up a revenue sharing deal with carriers to keep the current Whispernet pricing model and get more video content from major studios to stream?" If so, they may well revolutionize the way tablets are viewed by the average person. Get the content mix right, and a Kindle with HDMI out starts to become a viable alternative to cable.

Consider this - Amazon pretty much knows the demographics and buying habit of every Kindle customer. How valuable is that to an advertiser and how willing would people be to view a short ad in order to see the current HBO hit "brought to you by Widget Industries" for free? Amazon could even store info on what ads you saw so if you wanted more information or to buy you can visit Amazon.com and whip out the plastic. Amazon already has an ad supported Kindle so they have some data on how consumers react to such a model and no doubt are looking how they can expand that model to deliver value and get people to spend more at Amazon.
 
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If Amazon really does launch a tablet, Apple should kill the Kindle iOS apps immediately. Hit 'em where it hurts.

Amazon already has a web app version of their reader for the iPod, Apple can't kill it.
 
because you've already preconditioned yourself to not believe them

The number of items sold is part of the annual statement, which goes to the SEC, etc. If it's not right there's hell to pay. So that's another reason to believe them. Instead, a number of companies have been caught fudging their numbers by releasing the number "shipped" rather than "sold."

Apple has incredible control of its supply chain because they sell most of it from Apple's site, or big retailers, or the Apple store! They got into trouble with the iPads, 1 and 2, because they got very, very popular. They're just recently able to ship you something now.

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Amazon already has a web app version of their reader for the iPod, Apple can't kill it.

No, Apple has no intent of killing it. That's acting like a douche. And it might lead to trouble with the DOJ.
 
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Keep in mind that Amazon's tablet will either steal market from existing android tablets or entire people who just hate apple. The iPad is so widespread, that everyone who is looking to buy a new tablet will look at the iPad first. Then, they will look elsewhere. The only people who would be interested in Amazon's tablet are those who hate apple or are switching from other android devices. snipQUOTE]

I don't agree with this at all. I love Apple products, to the point where some consider me a fanboy, but I also have a Kindle...and it is fantastic for reading books...I don't have an iPad, not because I don't want one, but because I don't want to spend $500-$800 on a convenience. At the pricepoint that is being discussed for the Amazon tablet, if it performs well, I would be very tempted...but definately not because I am an apple hater...nor do I have any android devices.
 
I fully expect this to be sold as a loss leader with profit to be made from apps and kindle sales.

This is the big one that can threaten Apple.

No such thing. It might be a viable tablet, in some way. It will be interesting if they give it away, but uh, will all you can do be read? How good is the screen? How much battery? Could you, say, load anything but Amazon music, books, etc.? I'm happy they're making it, and if they sell it very cheaply it's automatically interesting. But Apple kills the Windows tablets. There's no iPad killer visible yet.
 
However, many of those other uses are irrelevant to most users. Just because something can do something doesn't mean that feature is desirable.

I beg to differ. It is precisely because iOS has a *****load of apps that the iPad sells so phenomenally well. People really do like all-purpose tablets vs single-use ones.
 
Apple doesn't roll that way. They are the most self-motivated company ever. They play by their own rules, their own aesthetics, their own values. There is no "competition" per se with Apple. Never really was. They are only competing with their own sense of perfectionism in everything.

Apple also seems to hold to a price point while adding more features and power over time. It seems the next iPad may have a retina display which will raise the bar but hold the price.

In the case of the Amazon tablet, it may be designed to be more of a media consuming device than a general use tablet like the iPad. Anyone only wanting a reader/viewer may find the Amazon device will fill their needs well. The Nook may be hurt more by this then any other device.
 
This actually feels refreshing to see a new face like Amazon getting MORE into the hardware business than hearing about lawsuits all the time from many long-time players. Every other day it seems like Apple or Samsung are suing each other. I figure if Google started off as an online service company that also just bought a hardware manufacturer Motorola, I can see why an online service company like Amazon wants to start branding their own stuff so you can use their services just the same like Google's services. I always said that if Google ever bought Facebook or Amazon that Apple better start looking over their shoulder. You control the internet, you control the future and is why you get these hardware devices in the first place - to go back and use the internet some more! Tablets and smartphones are just "vehicles" to get back on the road called Information Super Highway.

Amazon has been around for 17 years, but barely getting both feet in the water when it comes to their own gadgets. Amazon have a shot at becoming the new darlings of the hardware industry. Similar to how the music industry works. There is a time when we get sick and tired of seeing the same artists on TV or hearing them on the radio that we want a fresher face sometimes. Amazon can become that new star in the hardware biz. Sony had ZERO experience in video games hardware before selling over 100-150M of PlayStation 1 and 2's. It isn't impossible for Amazon creating their own niche themselves without people expecting them to beat Apple overnight.
 
We are in the area of do-everything products...
Well, we might be if our internet access wasn't capped and the batteries could last more than a few hours per charge. Neither of which is a problem for Kindles. Face it pms, you're no better at this than any other hater.
 
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