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AMC- The Walking Dead (TV Spoilers!)
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I really liked the mid season ending. I thought the surprise was awesome. A great way to both wrap up and advance the plot at the same time.
I know they adapt stuff for the TV show, but they've GOTTA have Michonne leading some armless and mouthless walkers around...I wonder what kind of sword they'll give her...
I saw the show before I started reading the comic so I'm not bothered by the liberties they have taken from the original story.
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Such as:
1. Andrea wanting to killing herself and wanting to be able to shoot a gun while in the comic she walked into the story as a marksman with no mental issues.
2. Andrea and Dale in the comic spoiler>> having a sexual relationship. <<spoiler although in the show it is evident Dale is in love with her.
3. This hesitancy of who has guns, at least initially. In the comic Rick was all for everyone getting gun training even from the start.
4. In the comics there is an episode devoted to the group wanting to settle down in a subdivision called Willshire Estates... before they discover it is infested with walkers. Shane and Andrea made a brief visit to a sub division looking for Sophia during Season 2.
Spoilers Stop
Such as:
1. Andrea wanting to killing herself and wanting to be able to shoot a gun while in the comic she walked into the story as a marksman with no mental issues.
2. Andrea and Dale in the comic spoiler>> having a sexual relationship. <<spoiler although in the show it is evident Dale is in love with her.
3. This hesitancy of who has guns, at least initially. In the comic Rick was all for everyone getting gun training even from the start.
4. In the comics there is an episode devoted to the group wanting to settle down in a subdivision called Willshire Estates... before they discover it is infested with walkers. Shane and Andrea made a brief visit to a sub division looking for Sophia during Season 2.
Wow, what an ending to the sub-season! I haven't read the comics and although I'd considered it, the barn scene was a real shocker. Can't wait until February! Then come summer we'll have Breaking Bad.
I *really* want them to go to Wilshire Estates in the show - that would be a perfect one-two episode arc...
I beleive that was a nod to the comic without devoting an episode to it...
I refuse to get too logical about walkers (zombies) because I think it would ruin the show for me, but if I apply logic, I don't understand how these dead creatures remain animated, without any physiologic support? The most extreme case just a head, still alive, and making noises. Granted this was in the comic and I don't want to mention the context for spoiler reasons. I wonder if they ever address the issue in the story? (I've not read the comic all the way through.) I assume that if something like this happened in real life, due to lack of sustenance, would all be dead in about a month or so.
Virtually all zombie movies/shows/stories require some level of suspension of disbelief, specifically for the reasons you mention. Upon death, the body's muscles will receive no more nourishment and will atrophy, provided that they can even receive signals through a degraded nervous system. I would think that explanations for the reanimation are omitted deliberately, usually dismissed by the fact that research hospitals were overrun by the outbreak before any determinations could be made about the source of the infection.
A more plausible "zombie" scenario is exemplified by movies like 28 Days Later. Rather than being truly dead, these "zombies" are alive, yet infected with a mind-altering virus that makes them violently psychotic. However, these "infected" will eventually perish from lack of nourishment/hydration as well; they're too insane to remember to eat.
I liked 28 Days Later and in that scenario they did all die in the period of months. This is much more realistic. If you look at the origins of zombies, it has to do with a supernatural/pagan religion basis. The only way it can stand up is to be relegated to the supernatural. Anyway, for the context of this story, I don't want to think about it too much.
The thing that really gets me (and I think I'll add spoiler marks, cos this could be pretty major for people who haven't read the comics) Spoiler -> is that apparently you don't have to get bitten to turn <- Spoiler. I won't give the source, because that, too, is a pretty big spoiler.
So it doesn't really make sense at all...that's why I try not to think about it too much
(If you checked the spoiler, we can PM to discuss...)
Well, so far, we've seen zombies in various states of disrepair. The barn zombies were supported by crippled chickens, so we don't know (at least in the TV series) how long the zombies can survive without eating something.
Of note, the show has scenes of zombies eating people, horses, deer, and dogs, so we know they're hunting.
Yes, assuming 'dead' is actually a metabolic halt, rather than essentially the forebrain shutting down. The episode "Wildfire" made this clear.
Sure. The original "Living Dead" was an unknown effect that caused the dead to rise up, later movies made it chemicals.
In actuality, the cause doesn't matter so long as it establishes some rules that can be used for good storytelling because the real story isn't the zombies, it's how people survive and endure an apocalypse.
Robert Kirkman has made this the main rule in the books (and I would assume the show as well) - The zombies are there, but they aren't the focus of the story. They're deadly obstacles to keep survivors on their toes.
Whenever I watch episodes, people are always posting on TWD forums about "bah, too much drama! Give us walkers!" But that's just not the focus and shouldn't be.
If you have walkers ALL THE TIME (or even most of the time), then you never have any character development, and he's done a great job of that in the books...the show, I have to admit, a few characters are acting a fair bit unlike the original.
I've been saying that since the beginning. They have been beating walkers to death and blood splashing on their faces(eyes?mouth?nose?) Not to mention. I love the idea of the crossbow ( I am a bow hunter myself), it's quiet. I don't know how well they wash those arrows, but Darryl had his own arrow go through his side.
The thing that really gets me (and I think I'll add spoiler marks, cos this could be pretty major for people who haven't read the comics) Spoiler -> is that apparently you don't have to get bitten to turn <- Spoiler. I won't give the source, because that, too, is a pretty big spoiler.
So it doesn't really make sense at all...that's why I try not to think about it too much
(If you checked the spoiler, we can PM to discuss...)
If you are only watching the show and don't like spoilers you don't need to read this post.
That is a huge spoiler that I was aware of and I don't mind discussing it here using the spoiler moniker.
Spoiler>>I believe the premise is that everyone is infected so when you die, you revive as a walker. As so many have pointed out, I don't understand the difference between a bite and ingesting blood. There could be an argument that there are two mechanisms at work. The virus that revives you after death and whatever it is that kills you from a zombie bite if it is injected directly into your blood.<< spoiler. It's probably not worth dissecting this too much.
But they would be lousy hunters of animals. And it really does not explain how half a zombie can crawl around without sustenance and keep going.
Is this a comic episode or was that the last episode of Season One?
Agreed. If it was just endless zombie attacks, the show would have no staying power. The soap opera aspect is the most important feature. I'm serious!
What I said above.
It depends how infectious what ever it is, is. Some things need to go directly into the blood stream to take effect. Swallowing might not do it.
The thing that really gets me (and I think I'll add spoiler marks, cos this could be pretty major for people who haven't read the comics) Spoiler -> is that apparently you don't have to get bitten to turn <- Spoiler. I won't give the source, because that, too, is a pretty big spoiler.
So it doesn't really make sense at all...that's why I try not to think about it too much
(If you checked the spoiler, we can PM to discuss...)
That is a huge spoiler that I was aware of and I don't mind discussing it here using the spoiler moniker.
Spoiler>>I believe the premise is that everyone is infected so when you die, you revive as a walker. As so many have pointed out, I don't understand the difference between a bite and ingesting blood. There could be an argument that there are two mechanisms at work. The virus that revives you after death and whatever it is that kills you from a zombie bite if it is injected directly into your blood.<< spoiler. It's probably not worth dissecting this too much.
But they would be lousy hunters of animals. And it really does not explain how half a zombie can crawl around without sustenance and keep going.
Is this a comic episode or was that the last episode of Season One?
Agreed. If it was just endless zombie attacks, the show would have no staying power. The soap opera aspect is the most important feature. I'm serious!
What I said above.
It depends how infectious what ever it is, is. Some things need to go directly into the blood stream to take effect. Swallowing might not do it.
Make sense, but since it did infect what looks like 99% of the world population in what looks like a few months (based of Rick's coma). I say it it's pretty infectious, hard to believe anything could have that much effect with "just bites". I'd say improbable, but not impossible.
I know I started it and was hoping I'd get a realistic answer to zombie origins, but bottom line, for suspension of disbelief, it's probably not worth analyzing the the mechanics of it's spread.
In one of the original Zombie films, released in the UK as Zombie Flesheaters, there is a sequence where dead Spanish Conquistadores rise up from 400 year old graves, still being eaten by worms. Now THAT takes some suspension of disbelief.....
However the original concept was of bodies with virtually inactive brains walking about (bit like a football match) so I can believe that animated bodies, eating to keep themselves nourished, can walk about for quite a considerable time. without the brain's requirement for large amounts of oxygen I can even believe that they would survive as body parts e.g. half a torso with head.
So: for me, the only disbelief is that the characters are all walking about with virtually no security, no fortification, and usually alone; living in tents, some with no guns, and completely unbothered by creatures that appear to have wiped out the rest of humanity.
However the original concept was of bodies with virtually inactive brains walking about (bit like a football match) so I can believe that animated bodies, eating to keep themselves nourished, can walk about for quite a considerable time. without the brain's requirement for large amounts of oxygen I can even believe that they would survive as body parts e.g. half a torso with head.
So: for me, the only disbelief is that the characters are all walking about with virtually no security, no fortification, and usually alone; living in tents, some with no guns, and completely unbothered by creatures that appear to have wiped out the rest of humanity.
If you can catch it, watch the "Talking Dead" show that comes on after the "Walking Dead". It is pretty good and they sometimes answer questions that audience members post or call in with. It is pretty good not to mention they have specail guest stars on the show including Robert Kirkman. We started to DVR it half way through this season and glad we did.
I have DVR and the walking dead came on at 9PM and 11PM EST. I'd always miss it at 9 cause that's typically when I read to the kids, get them ready, etc.. Now that the season is on break I guess rather then waiting till 11PM. I could've actually recorded it and watched at 9:30 or so. I will try to remember this in Feb...
I caught portions of the talking dead a couple times. You're right, was a pretty good show. Again, must learn to DVR.
I caught portions of the talking dead a couple times. You're right, was a pretty good show. Again, must learn to DVR.
For me, suspension of belief is just a given...I mean, if you REALLY think about how they portray these zombies, and then think about it realistically:
1. Back in season 1 (Guts), when Rick and Glenn are walking with the zombies, the rain comes and washes the scent off...zombies can SMELL? Seriously?
2. Zombies are dead corpses, reanimated somehow. I think Shane showed pretty clearly in the final episode last week that they don't need their heart or lungs to survive...so why exactly do they need to EAT? I mean that - obviously the Zombies have to be threatening or you don't have much of a show, but in a real sense, if they don't need to breathe AIR, I don't think eating is much of an issue for them either. (e.g. the half eaten zombie from "Days Gone Bye" - She barely has a stomach left...what does she need to eat for?)
3. Kind of related to #2 - Some zombies are portrayed as "Evil creatures"...again, these are reanimated corpses. Neither good nor evil. They just...exist, for whatever reason.
So technically, zombies should be mindless, shambling corpses with nowhere to go, no purpose in their "afterlife". They shouldn't be attacking anyone - they shouldn't even be conscious enough to know what "attacking" is.
.....That is, if you don't suspend your belief
rhett7660 said:
I always meant to say how appropriate that quote seems to be in this topic...where did that quote come from?
I actually got it from one of my favorite songs by a band called Fear Factory, the name of the song is "Final Exit". That is where I first heard it, the original quote comes from a group called "Final Exit Network", the person who I found said it is Jerry Dincin.
I thought it fit this topic also, but I also really liked the saying...