AMC- The Walking Dead (TV Spoilers!)

[ucfgrad93]

They need to get some extra gear....

riot shields and swords.

This way they don't use up valuable ammunition or make a lot of noise which would attract other walkers.

http://www.bulletproofme.com/Riot-Shields.htm

http://www.swordsofmight.com/zombie-machete.aspx

 

[Huntn]

I think Rick cut his hand BEFORE killing the zombies.. Shane did it after. Maybe something happens to Shane? I dunno.

I'm not sure about Rick, I think he cut his hand and smeared it on a fence so the zombie would come real close. Shane cut his hand and smeared it on the frame of the bus door for the same reason so they could both stab zombies in the heads with their knives. If you are bit, you are infected, which seems like saliva is the transmitter. I'm not sure about other ways to get the fever and die to walk again.

They need to get some extra gear....
riot shields and swords.

That looks good for keeping them away from you. It looks like it could get in the way though for shooting them in the head...

 

[ucfgrad93]

That looks good for keeping them away from you. It looks like it could get in the way though for shooting them in the head...

The object is to use the machete to split the walker's skulls. It doesn't require bullets and it doesn't make a lot of noise which would attract other walkers.

 

[iBlue]

I'm not sure about Rick, I think he cut his hand and smeared it on a fence so the zombie would come real close. Shane cut his hand and smeared it on the frame of the bus door for the same reason so they could both stab zombies in the heads with their knives. If you are bit, you are infected, which seems like saliva is the transmitter. I'm not sure about other ways to get the fever and die to walk again.

That seems dumb. Surely if the pathogen that turns someone into a zombie is present in saliva it would be present in the blood stream.

... wait, why am I debating the realism of this?

 

[Huntn]

That seems dumb. Surely if the pathogen that turns someone into a zombie is present in saliva it would be present in the blood stream.

... wait, why am I debating the realism of this?

Maybe they were just lucky enough not to get zombie blood or saliva into their wounds? Actually when talking about zombies a high level of logical thinking is a detriment. Don't get me wrong, I'm loving this show, but from a realism standpoint, the "28 Days Later" scenario is more believable from a logical sense.

 

[rhett7660]

Is there somewhere to watch that tease??? I can't ever find those. I'm extremely interested because of the prison thing.

It was my mistake, when I saw the tease for the last episode I was thinking it was the prison.

I am still hoping it happens though! Man I hope it happens..

 

[iBlue]

Maybe they were just lucky enough not to get zombie blood or saliva into their wounds? Actually when talking about zombies a high level of logical thinking is a detriment. Don't get me wrong, I'm loving this show, but from a realism standpoint, the "28 Days Later" scenario is more believable from a logical sense.

I think the 28 days/weeks later is one of the best zombie flicks I've seen, partially because of the "I can picture this happening" aspect. (in 28 weeks later I got to see my own neighbourhood get bombed!) The only thing that bothered me was how rapidly the disease developed. I mean really, a bite and 20 seconds later you're all ragey and gross? Come on! Give it a day at least.

 

[Huntn]

I think the 28 days/weeks later is one of the best zombie flicks I've seen, partially because of the "I can picture this happening" aspect. (in 28 weeks later I got to see my own neighbourhood get bombed!) The only thing that bothered me was how rapidly the disease developed. I mean really, a bite and 20 seconds later you're all ragey and gross? Come on! Give it a day at least.

Well that and in 28 weeks, technically they were not zombies, at least not walking dead.

I'm reading the comic and am up to Episode 19. What I've finding interesting is that in the T.V. show, they seem to using Shane as Rick's alter ego. Because in the comic, Shane is spoiler>killed off pretty early<<end spoiler and in the comic Rick acts more like Shane does in the show, he takes charge, he has no problem killing people if they need to be killed, just like the TV Shane. Where the TV Rick seems to have doubts about these kinds of decisions or has to dwell on them before making a decision.

 

[iBlue]

Well that and in 28 weeks, technically they were not zombies, at least not walking dead.

I'm reading the comic and am up to Episode 19. What I've finding interesting is that in the T.V. show, they seem to using Shane as Rick's alter ego. Because in the comic, Shane is spoiler>........<<end spoiler and in the comic Rick acts more like Shane does in the show, he takes charge, he has no problem killing people if they need to be killed, just like the TV Shane. Where the TV Rick seems to have doubts about these kinds of decisions or has to dwell on them before making a decision.

Yeah, 28 weeks later portrayed a proper freaky rage virus. As a virus it bothered me to watch symptoms develop SO rapidly after point of infection. I really have to suspend disbelief a lot to enjoy TV/movies.

That's interesting about the behaviours of Shane and Rick in the comics versus how they are in the show. Personally I find them both tedious. It's like what Iscariot pointed out from the Cracked article: "The Walking Dead is the only show in America that all of my friends watch despite the fact that we all mostly hate it." I don't really like any of them and find the storylines quite weak but here I am, watching anyway, like a big hopeful dummy.

What's funny is how scary and gross I found the "zombies" in 28 days/weeks later, only to now think they weren't so bad (or at least not as robust) compared to these Walking Dead sorts. If we ever have Teh Zombie Apocalypse™ I really hope we get those slow and derpy Shawn of the Dead sorts.

 

[Huntn]

What's funny is how scary and gross I found the "zombies" in 28 days/weeks later, only to now think they weren't so bad (or at least not as robust) compared to these Walking Dead sorts.

You lost me there. I remember the infected in 28 Days/Weeks Later to be fast like sprinters. In contrast, the Walking Dead are mostly lumbering and when they get to running are not that fast. An average healthy person could outrun them.

If we ever have Teh Zombie Apocalypse™ I really hope we get those slow and derpy Shawn of the Dead sorts.

Lol, me too.

 

[JagsFan829]

After reading the last few replies.. I started watching 28 Days Later. I'm about half-way through. It's crazy how the zombies/ragers/whatever SPRINT the way they do. I don't know how I feel about the movie. I got 28 Days and 28 Weeks both. We'll see.

 

[mscriv]

Yeah the sprinting thing is interesting. In one sense I totally get it as zombies that can run are much more terrifying. It adds to the horror in a way. However, zombies that walk seem to add to the drama, you know, death in slow motion.

 

[iBlue]

You lost me there. I remember the infected in 28 Days/Weeks Later to be fast like sprinters. In contrast, the Walking Dead are mostly lumbering and when they get to running are not that fast. An average healthy person could outrun them.

Yeah, 28 days/weeks later rage zombies are REALLY fast. Between that and their penchant for the projectile blood vom on your face they are scary mofos. The only reason I sometimes think the Walking Dead zombies are so scary is because they will literally drag their severed bodies across the ground to bite you. Damn that's nasty.

I take it back what I said before. I think I'd rather deal with the Walkers™ than the 28d/w ragers. I mean, this scene* from 28 weeks later was just pants-crappingly horrific. (*SPOILERS!)

 

[JagsFan829]

Yeah, 28 days/weeks later rage zombies are REALLY fast. Between that and their penchant for the projectile blood vom on your face they are scary mofos. The only reason I sometimes think the Walking Dead zombies are so scary is because they will literally drag their severed bodies across the ground to bite you. Damn that's nasty.

I take it back what I said before. I think I'd rather deal with the Walkers™ than the 28d/w ragers. I mean, this scene* from 28 weeks later was just pants-crappingly horrific. (*SPOILERS!)

OH man.. I just watched 28 Weeks Later yesterday.. it was by far better than 28 Days, IMO.

That scene is definitely crazy. I felt sick watching that part.

 

[Huntn]

Yeah, 28 days/weeks later rage zombies are REALLY fast. Between that and their penchant for the projectile blood vom on your face they are scary mofos. The only reason I sometimes think the Walking Dead zombies are so scary is because they will literally drag their severed bodies across the ground to bite you. Damn that's nasty.

I take it back what I said before. I think I'd rather deal with the Walkers™ than the 28d/w ragers. I mean, this scene* from 28 weeks later was just pants-crappingly horrific. (*SPOILERS!)

Yeah, that scenic was sick (not the new definition of sick, but the old ) as the dude runs away seeing his wife in window. When they decided that 28 weeks later, the zone was clear, I chuckled, right...

I've read up through episode #40 of the comic. The show has diverged from the comic in story. In the comic they did not spend half the season looking for lost Sophia. In fact up through #40 she was never lost and is still alive. After leaving the farm they mild spoiler>>discover a prison which seems to be an ideal place to setup house<<end spoiler. There is some horrific stuff that goes down there. That might just be around the corner in the show.

Eventually they meet a character who calls himself mild spoiler>>The Governor<<end spoiler, then look out. I can't imagine the writers will not ignore this. Note that besides the shock when people are attacked by zombies, the real plot tension is human interaction and violence... the comic includes a considerably mild spoiler>>graphic depiction of torture<<end spoiler. I wonder how far the show will go?

 

[UlsterApple]

I think the 28 days/weeks later is one of the best zombie flicks I've seen, partially because of the "I can picture this happening" aspect.

Watch "The Dead", one of the best I've seen in ages.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANpgVWVvpjs

Also for a totally realistic scenario involving zombies, read World War Z - how it began, how things developed, and how people fought back. Excellent reading.

 

[JagsFan829]

Watch "The Dead", one of the best I've seen in ages.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANpgVWVvpjs

Also for a totally realistic scenario involving zombies, read World War Z - how it began, how things developed, and how people fought back. Excellent reading.

Going to check out "The Dead" before Walking Dead's new episode comes on tonight.

Just recently listened to the audio book for World War Z.. Ehhh, I don't know. I didn't really like it all that much.

 

[iBlue]

- A few minor spoilers in my post...

Watch "The Dead", one of the best I've seen in ages.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANpgVWVvpjs

Also for a totally realistic scenario involving zombies, read World War Z - how it began, how things developed, and how people fought back. Excellent reading.

You're now the second person to recommend that book. I think I'll check it out. Zombies aren't normally mah thang but sometimes I get pulled in. I would probably prefer it in book form because while I tolerate gore I don't exactly like it. I actually watch The Walking Dead on my own because my husband is just too grossed out by it. The bit where they hacked up a zombie and rubbed its guts on themselves to walk amongst them pushed him right over the edge.

Not looking forward to a possible torture scene in The Walking Dead if it follows the comic story. I even prefer gore to torture.

 

[rhett7660]

What an ending to last nights episode! WOW.... Didn't see that one coming at all!!!!

 

[ericrwalker]

What an ending to last nights episode! WOW.... Didn't see that one coming at all!!!!

Any chance Carl is a sociopath? I'd say Dale's death is Carl's fault.

 

[rhett7660]

Any chance Carl is a sociopath? I'd say Dale's death is Carl's fault.

I would lay blame to it being Carl's fault, just not 100%, there is no way he would have known the zombie that he toyed with would be coming back. Also the fact he did show emotion and feels one might see that he feels responsible for what happened....... Did you catch the sneak peak at next week's episode? The father son talk?!?

 

[mscriv]

Any chance Carl is a sociopath? I'd say Dale's death is Carl's fault.

I'd think all of the emotion we've seen him show regarding the death of Sophia would eliminate him from being a sociopath. More likely I think he's just a kid who is growing up in a jacked up world with a dysfunctional group of adults from which to learn.

Is it his fault that the walker that he stumbled upon in the woods earlier later killed Dale, not really? It's an unfortunate circumstance that certainly could have been prevented, but hindsight is 20/20. When I was a kid I didn't come home after participating in stuff that I knew would get me in trouble and confess to my parents. It's just typical impulsive and exploratory kid behavior that is magnified by the consequences.

 

[iBlue]

****ING SPOILERS! (I have it recorded, was going to watch it tomorrow)

 

[ericrwalker]

That's possible, knowing "civilized" rights and wrongs are going to be hard for him when "civilization" is dead.

I'd think all of the emotion we've seen him show regarding the death of Sophia would eliminate him from being a sociopath. More likely I think he's just a kid who is growing up in a jacked up world with a dysfunctional group of adults from which to learn.

Is it his fault that the walker that he stumbled upon in the woods earlier later killed Dale, not really? It's an unfortunate circumstance that certainly could have been prevented, but hindsight is 20/20. When I was a kid I didn't come home after participating in stuff that I knew would get me in trouble and confess to my parents. It's just typical impulsive and exploratory kid behavior that is magnified by the consequences.

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No I didn't see the spoiler. I turn off the TV right at the end.

The season was slow, but it's really picking up.....Only 2 episodes to go?

I would lay blame to it being Carl's fault, just not 100%, there is no way he would have known the zombie that he toyed with would be coming back. Also the fact he did show emotion and feels one might see that he feels responsible for what happened....... Did you catch the sneak peak at next week's episode? The father son talk?!?

 

[Huntn]

What an ending to last nights episode! WOW.... Didn't see that one coming at all!!!!

Any chance Carl is a sociopath? I'd say Dale's death is Carl's fault.

Although the forum does not have spoiler tags you can white out the spoiler texts if you want to be considerate. Of course that does not mean they won't peak.

If I was a father I'd be concerned that spoiler> Carl wanted to watch the execution, but I would not call him a sociopath. I think he felt guilty about his actions in the woods including loosing a gun and had no way of projecting the final outcome. <end spoiler.

****ING SPOILERS! (I have it recorded, was going to watch it tomorrow)

The danger comes with the territory of a spoiler thread.

I sure the writers for this show have a plan, but for the purpose of plotting out the show and trying to parallel it with the comic, spoiler>Dale's Death<end spoiler seems like a waste. I realize they were making a case that the one voice for staying civilized, just got snuffed by the reality of the new world order.

Comic Talk: What's interesting is that in the comic both Dale and Sophia are still alive at this point. I find I'm missing one of the major characters in the comic called Tyreese. In the show they have substituted a character called T-Dog, but mostly he has been a bystander.

I think I mentioned it before, but I find the entire discussion of "survival morality" intriguing. Was Shane right to shoot Otis? Yes it was completely self serving but the outcome was that one of them made it back resulting in Carl's survival. However the bottom line was that Shane traded Otis for himself and Carl.

=====March 4 Episode Discussion, Stop if you've not watched it=====

And last night, can they afford to trust this kid they captured after the shoot out? A civilized person like Dale says "give him a chance", but the real question becomes, "can we afford to give him a chance?" When I place myself in that situation, if I thought I had a vehicle, most likely I would drive the kid blind folded, 30 miles away and kick him out the door versus killing him. But, if I did not feel like the group could afford to do this, then the only answer would be execution.

How many here were rooting for them to shoot or hang the kid?