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What if his replacement is even worse?

Although he wouldn't want to do it, we need Woz to run Apple.
He would know how to meet the needs of professional customers and he has a unique passion for the Mac.

Apple needs Scott back. An ass but an ass that has Apple in his DNA.

Now it's just a circle jerk of people of nice no-marks with no fire in their belly to really keep Steve's legacy alive.
 
I also like the play on words in AMD's spec's statement "peak performance (up to)"

Which means you'll get 1.8 Teraflops for a few seconds before the silly thin design causes it to thermal to heck and back, and drops it to the performance of onboard graphics.
 
You mentioned RX 480 in your post though:)
Ok I digress, I do think these P11 chips are inferior comparing to something like a GP107 based 1050 or 1050Ti, and I have no idea why they down clocked the chip to only 35W. Crazy when a bit more TDP can boost performance by a large margin.
It would be a bummer if Apple didn't have FirePro support for these "Pro" graphics.
I'm referring to flops performance in which they clearly have demonstrated subpar performance. They're inferior to even the iMac's offerings, which are also mobile dGPUs. There is no getting around this.
 
I watched that festival of awesomeness and I realised there is some many things that can disappoint that I've decided to wait for some independent reviews. They didn't explain if you can disable that emoji-bar or how it behaves when you dim the backlight keyboard (I'm doing that sometimes). It's also unknown that if your gonna press cmd or space key, if that's gonna move your cursor (touch pad is very close to those buttons now). So if that will be tested then I'm going to decide if I'm buy 2015 model or the emoji-bar version. Currently I'm very happy with top-specs late 2013 (11,3) but i think i need new one as a backup in case of failure. But then went to check how're Lenovo and Dell doing and OMG, Newest MacBook Pro is like way behind. Maybe ThinkPad and Dell Precission doesn't look great but I need a profession hardware. And the good thing is that those still come with Windows 7 and not that slow Windows 10. So now, I think i will wait a little bit and probably start using PC as my main laptop.
 

The Radeon Pro 460, available as a $200 upgrade in the entry-level 15-inch MacBook Pro and a $100 upgrade in the higher-end 15-inch MacBook Pro, offers 1.86 Teraflops of horsepower and 16 compute units (1024 stream processors).

So the top end mobile MBP AMD GPU option offers less then 25% Teraflop performance of the top end nVidia mobile pascal option which has 7.9 TFLOPS of peak performance - with CUDA support AND triple the video memory.

And even with eGPU options for the greater then 6GB video memory + CUDA support pros need, the top end MBP is shackled by the same 16GB system RAM limit it has had for going on 6 years.

Way to go Timmy! Your courage™ is awesome o_O
 
AMD is better for computing (more TFlops)

No, this AMD Radeon Pro option has less then 25% of the TFlop performance of similar top end nVidia mobile options (7.9TFlops for mobile 1080s vs 1.9TFlops for the "Pro" 460), while AMD offers significantly less memory then nVidia offers.

In my own benchmarks w/ Redcine-X and Resolve, OpenCL acceleration is completely comical compared to how fast CUDA is even over eGPU running off TB1.
 
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New iMac's, Mac mini, Mac Pro (and display) better be mind blowing cause this not only failed to meet reasonable expectations, it lowered the bar.

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No, this AMD Radeon Pro option has less then 25% of the TFlop performance of similar top end nVidia mobile option (7.9TFlops for mobile 1080s), while offering significantly less memory then nVidia options offer.

In my own benchmarks w/ Redcine-X and Resolve, OpenCL acceleration is completely comical compared to how fast CUDA is even over eGPU running off TB1.
But the marketing material says...:cool:
 
The contention people feel is when you wait years for a refresh or make-over, and what you are given is already outdated in comparison to what's out there in the market, then what were you waiting for? It's easy to say if you don't like it, go buy a PC or build a Hackintosh, but it just shifts the fault onto the consumer. Apple fans (not users) look at Apple as if they don't care at all for profits - they are this magical company who exists solely to give people wonderful products. If that were so true, we wouldn't be given such low level or out of date options on high end, expensive products that we are made to wait years for. I'm fine to wait 2 - 4 years for a redesigned or even refreshed MacBook Pro, Mac Pro, etc - but after I do, give me the choice to get my hands on what's currently the best available tech. Not what's cheapest for Apple to make even greater profit margin on.
 
The contention people feel is when you wait years for a refresh or make-over, and what you are given is already outdated in comparison to what's out there in the market, then what were you waiting for? It's easy to say if you don't like it, go buy a PC or build a Hackintosh, but it just shifts the fault onto the consumer. Apple fans (not users) look at Apple as if they don't care at all for profits - they are this magical company who exists solely to give people wonderful products. If that were so true, we wouldn't be given such low level or out of date options on high end, expensive products that we are made to wait years for. I'm fine to wait 2 - 4 years for a redesigned or even refreshed MacBook Pro, Mac Pro, etc - but after I do, give me the choice to get my hands on what's currently the best available tech. Not what's cheapest for Apple to make even greater profit margin on.

What's outdated about it vs. what's on the market?
 
Nvidia is better for DX10 gaming under Windows platform.
AMD is better for computing (more TFlops), DX12/Vulkan/Metal.

It seems to me that AMD is the right choice here.

NVIDIA hardware is much better for DX12 Vulkan compared to AMD. They just haven't released the drivers for it yet. Also, def not better for computing lol.
 
I'm sorry but this is truly pathetic. They only offer up to the 460 in even the top end MacBook Pro. Where's the 470 or even 480? You can spend nearly 5 grand after tax on the maxed out MacBook Pro and you're getting an AMD 460 and 16 GB of DDR3 RAM. Please tell me how Apple is not trying to rob everyone blind? Prices haven't been this absurd in a very long time.
Yes. It's that same old villain called "Free Market Capitalism" - turning profits which drive industries and innovations, all while "robbing blind" the very consumers whose purchases provide the capital for that progress. The opposite, of course, is that economic theory which panders to the outcries of the entitled masses who demand products and services for cheap (or FREE!!), but who lack the sense to realize that if they get their way, they stifle and destroy innovation and growth.

Seriously - you think we got this far technologically by selling the highest end products for the lowest prices? Name me a "socially progressive" country (one which purports to provide the best for less, to everyone...) that produces the kind of massive technological advancement that companies like Apple, and countries like ours do? Companies don't profit when they lose the balance between cost and improvement. And when they don't profit as much, they don't innovate as much.

It's just basic economics and social theory in action. It's either this way or China's way... take your pick.
 
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