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Amy Winehouse found dead
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Please spare us the armchair psychology.
BTW, anyone know when Justin Bieber turns 27?
If you mean the 27 Club, I think talent is a requirement for that.
she could sing!
talk **** all you want, but Amy was one of the few mainstream pop singers in the last 10 years that could actually sing, no auto tune, and she sang with a live band. If you know music, you would have appreciated her.
Drug addiction is a disease, it's a lifetime struggle. Not everyone makes it alive.
Thanks for the music Amy, RIP.
talk **** all you want, but Amy was one of the few mainstream pop singers in the last 10 years that could actually sing, no auto tune, and she sang with a live band. If you know music, you would have appreciated her.
Drug addiction is a disease, it's a lifetime struggle. Not everyone makes it alive.
Thanks for the music Amy, RIP.
Please spare us the armchair psychology.
BTW, anyone know when Justin Bieber turns 27?
He comes out of the closet. No one will care or be surprised.
Yeah, and given the war in Lybia, why does anyone care about the Oslo tragedy?
I guess people can care about more than one bad things.
I've never been a big fan of this type of music, so needless to say I've never heard Amy sing before now. I viewed several selections from this concert, and then a couple of earlier performances for an objective comparison.
My reaction? Wow. Just.... wow. The Belgrade performance clips were painful to watch. For the first 15 seconds or so, I was like "heh heh, lookit the junkie" but after that, I couldn't help but feel a bit sad. The backup singers and band were total pros, though, doing their best to carry her.
I wonder if she had a sober moment between then and her death (they weren't that far apart).
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I'm a bit shocked, but unfortunately not that suprised, at the wholly inappropriate reactions of some people in this thread who are snarking about her death (and life).
I think anyone who fails to see this as a tragedy and instead feels the need to be sarcastic and mocking is a loser who wastes enormous amounts of time feeding the same toxic trifecta of celebrity media, greedy music/film multinational corporations, and the insecurity all too often plaguing the very talented in a world that wallows in mediocrity, all of which is what leads people like Amy Winehouse to drugs/booze and thence to her death. But unlike your average gossipy old biddy down the block wanting to know everything about everyone whether it's in her neighborhood or the global neighborhood, who at least has the heart to tut tut and shake her head in genuine sadness when one of the celebrities's life is a mess, or cheer when/if they turn their life around again, the snark queens resent that same activity because they have aspirations of being some kind of hoity toity high brow Camus reader, so they are always spewing venom.
I've never felt the need to engage this celebrity culture or participate in it; there are plenty of musicians and actors whose work I like and follow, and even some male ones I find easy on the eyes or female ones whose sense of style I love, but the publicity photos and respectful interviews when they are cheerful and comfortable and sharing what THEY want are more than enough. So I wouldn't have much to discuss with either type of celebrinews consumer. But between the vultures and the gossipy old biddies, I'll take the biddies any day.
I think anyone who fails to see this as a tragedy and instead feels the need to be sarcastic and mocking is a loser who wastes enormous amounts of time feeding the same toxic trifecta of celebrity media, greedy music/film multinational corporations, and the insecurity all too often plaguing the very talented in a world that wallows in mediocrity, all of which is what leads people like Amy Winehouse to drugs/booze and thence to her death. But unlike your average gossipy old biddy down the block wanting to know everything about everyone whether it's in her neighborhood or the global neighborhood, who at least has the heart to tut tut and shake her head in genuine sadness when one of the celebrities's life is a mess, or cheer when/if they turn their life around again, the snark queens resent that same activity because they have aspirations of being some kind of hoity toity high brow Camus reader, so they are always spewing venom.
I've never felt the need to engage this celebrity culture or participate in it; there are plenty of musicians and actors whose work I like and follow, and even some male ones I find easy on the eyes or female ones whose sense of style I love, but the publicity photos and respectful interviews when they are cheerful and comfortable and sharing what THEY want are more than enough. So I wouldn't have much to discuss with either type of celebrinews consumer. But between the vultures and the gossipy old biddies, I'll take the biddies any day.
Addiction is an illness. It's not always within a person's ability to control it.
Absolutely! I agree that she couldn't control her addiction (actually you could probably make that statement, 'it's not USUALLY within a person's ability to control it', unfortunately). That doesn't make it any less sad, though, does it? Or any less creepy to make sarcastic remarks about that addiction, particularly when its consequences are as dire and final as death?
Or did I misunderstand you?
Sure- if people were perfect, things like this would never happen- there would be no mistakes and no accidents. We don't live in a perfect world.
You got me right.
okay
It's still a shock how many people seem to be completely clueless when it comes to mental health issues. With all the 'they should just pull themselves together already' talk you hear, sometimes it even feels like we're going backwards in that, which if true is pretty disheartening
Heh, true. But it doesn't always work like that. I've never wanted to do drugs, never been in social groups that did drugs - but relatives of mine with less will power or just got in with the wrong people, they have ended up on drugs. Addicted to the point of stealing from other family members and giving up on their education.
It happens and it takes a strong will to break out of it.
I don't agree how people can call it a disease though. Motor Neurone Disease is a disease, AIDS is a disease, sickle-cell anaemia is a disease. Let's call a spade a spade - addiction is addiction. It's a potentially lethal dependency that stems from recreational abuse.
I see your point to a certain extent, and it does seem like you mean well by saying it as you don't sound like one of the cluelessly insensitive about the subject, but I think this might be a bit of the ole slippery slope
After all arguments could be made that somebody got AIDS because they were making poor choices regarding the practice of safe sex (or indeed they were using drugs and let themselves be too out of it for clean needles!). But do you really want to go there? Because I don't Moreover, substance addiction DOES have measurable, quantifiable physical effects. 'Disease' may not be the most precise word you could come up with, but it's hardly inaccurate and is still a functional umbrella term. Functional is all we need; most people aren't writers or poets, so the standard is for the word to do the job, not be the most exacting
Now, if you want to discuss the mindless bandying about of the word 'addiction' to describe what would be more accurately (and therefore usefully) termed 'compulsions' or 'fixations' (eg my own pet peeve, 'internet addiction' *groan* or 'shopping addiction') or even the casual use as in 'x or y is like soooo addictive', then I'm with you
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Some are predisposed, some are not.
"Back in the day" we were taught about an "X" factor, that anyone might have.
If you don't do drugs/alcohol, you will not be affected even if you have this factor.
We now know more, about receptors in the brain, and the dependency that develops over time, when someone starts this down-ward path.
Wrong. She was sick in the head and in the body...and that's what drove her to kill herself with drugs.
Hardly...the Grammy's big awards are about Professionals who sell music.
It's not about who's the best artist....and btw in case you don't know musician's peers are on the voting board....
Good to see that public executions haven't gone out of fashion!
It's always entertaining to be present as the Judges of the Social Court enter the courtroom and the trial convenes. As always, the recently dead defendant is charged with "daring to deviate from the norm." The defense argues that abnormality is a prerequisite for becoming an artist. The legal arguments (and hilarity) ensue, and spectators in the gallery begin to boo, hiss, and jeer in delight. Then, the court issues its opinion, verdict, and sentencing -- no one forced the defendant to become an artist (its not like they were born that way); guilty; public execution.
Ah, the sights and sounds of a good old fashioned hanging make for an incredible rush.
Could humanity ever devise a better way to publicly extol the virtues of normalcy? I think not!
It's always entertaining to be present as the Judges of the Social Court enter the courtroom and the trial convenes. As always, the recently dead defendant is charged with "daring to deviate from the norm." The defense argues that abnormality is a prerequisite for becoming an artist. The legal arguments (and hilarity) ensue, and spectators in the gallery begin to boo, hiss, and jeer in delight. Then, the court issues its opinion, verdict, and sentencing -- no one forced the defendant to become an artist (its not like they were born that way); guilty; public execution.
Ah, the sights and sounds of a good old fashioned hanging make for an incredible rush.
Could humanity ever devise a better way to publicly extol the virtues of normalcy? I think not!
I love all the pious people on here that are not addicted to anything whatsoever. Drugs, alcohol, shopping, the Internet, food....any addiction can destroy your body, your wallet, your emotions.
I love all the apologists here that seem to think that her death, while certainly sad and tragic, absolves her of the bad choices she made in life, and somehow magically elevates her to tragic martyr status.
I recall the same sort of thing going on when Kurt Cobain did his stupid, which can be pretty much summed up as feeling sorry for himself because he had piles of money and an endless plethora of fans.
Now I'm just waiting for the predictable spike in her record sales.