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Amy Winehouse found dead

iJohnHenry said:
Some are predisposed, some are not.

"Back in the day" we were taught about an "X" factor, that anyone might have.

If you don't do drugs/alcohol, you will not be affected even if you have this factor.
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That just shows how much (little) they knew 'back in the day' :D.

I mean, let's not forget here that a number of drug addicts have begun with prescription medication - read, drugs (including pain meds or sleeping aids) that are not only NOT prohibited (like crack) but were specifically prescribed, to them, by doctors, for any number of perfectly legitimate medical reasons. And even non-legitimate reasons: with the current tendency to prescribe psychotropics to children as young as toddler-aged, with little to no chance given to psychotherapy as a way to overcome or heck, even just manage even relatively minor or non-complex behavioral issues or other difficulties, I fear we will be seeing an increase in the number of people who reach addiction through such a path :(

I'm sure you're not suggesting it's a viable option to avoid all medication stronger than over-the-counter in the hopes of avoiding addiction :p
 
cuestakid said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2018020/Amy-Winehouse-dead--Found-dead-London-flat.html
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One very talented singer dies.
One drug addict dies. No, not quite right: In the UK, an estimated 2,500 people die every year from drug abuse, so one drug addict dies and ends up in the newspapers, and about eight others die the same day and don't get mentioned, and another eight die the next day and don't get mentioned, and another eight the day after that...

It's a shame about the singer. For the drug addict, she was a rich drug addict, so I bet someone made a lot of money from her addiction. Probably makes it harder to beat an addiction if there are people around you willing to supply you with drugs.
 
autopsy is inconclusive ... there might be a mystery brewing if someone were to benefit from her death

toxicology tests TBD ... and it seems she was cremated very quickly
 
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Here's a bizarre picture:
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It's Amy's bodyguards posing with her ashes (she was cremated earlier today). The guy on the right is pointing to her name on the box. The one in the middle is the guy who found her dead/dying.

Maybe they'll do a better job protecting that box.:rolleyes:
 
ucfgrad93 said:
Apparently personal responsibility is a foreign concept to many people.
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CorvusCamenarum said:
I love all the apologists here that seem to think that her death, while certainly sad and tragic, absolves her of the bad choices she made in life
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Not at all. What you're missing is that addiction is extremely powerful. While there was choice at the beginning, it became less so later. I lost my greatest love to addiction. It was horrible, and I always thought I could have done more. I never thought he would have gone that route either, and for a long time, I didn't see it. What I learned later is that 90% of all alcoholics and drug addicts die from their addictions. We need to figure out how to help addicts, not blame them. Blame and stigmatization only makes it worse, because the only thing that does not judge them is their addictions.
 
leekohler said:
Not at all. What you're missing is that addiction is extremely powerful. While there was choice at the beginning, it became less so later. I lost my greatest love to addiction. It was horrible, and I always thought I could have done more. I never thought he would have gone that route either, and for a long time, I didn't see it. What I learned later is that 90% of all alcoholics and drug addicts die from their addictions. We need to figure out how to help addicts, not blame them. Blame and stigmatization only makes it worse, because the only thing that does not judge them is their addictions.
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You seem to be arguing that because someone makes bad choice #1, we should excuse bad choice #2, 3...X, because of bad choice #1. Sorry, Lee, but unless you spend your entire life under a rock, how can you not know that crack/meth/heroin/etc is nothing but a bucket of bad for you?

Addicts have to want help, and I don't think any reasonable person would argue against giving it to them. However, unless someone strapped them down and forcibly gave them their first dose of whatever, their situation is one entirely of their own making.

So maybe we need to do both.
 
I was very sad to hear she died ... "Back to Black" was an amazing album, though it had been clear for some time that she didn't seem to be in any shape to follow it up with anything much.

As for the rest of this thread ... My father died several years ago of a drug overdose, so I guess i tend to be more sympathetic than the average bear. And even if you can't drum up much sympathy for the addict, at least remember that that person has family and friends that are hurting terribly right now.
 
She had it all.. but couldn't manage it. Great singer, it's sad to see so many great artists get devoured by substances (Michael Jackson, Jimi Hendrix, Elvis Presley, among many others).

As some like to put it, she lived a short, but intense life.
 
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