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The camera is pretty good and the lens is improved, but the Camera app is still lacking. Until I can have more control over the settings (aperture, shutter speed, white balance), it won't replace my point-and-shoot--which can do all of those things.

If you're looking to adjust these things then you're not comparing it to a point and shoot. You're comparing it to a higher end point and shoot that has manual controls, therefore your comparison is not a fair one.

The amaount of detail in this photo is actually quite phenomenal. I think alot of you don't understand what constitutes a good photo test.

This is a very good one.
 
8MP is great for a selling point but is it really needed given that the final output will probably be Facebook? I would prefer to have a 2-4MP sensor with much better noise control offering me better photos in a wider range of lighting conditions.
 
it's very small... top left corner of the emblem the 1 in the top right corner is in. The spider is just outside of that, and it is a little fuzzy in this picture... but you can see it! Google spider one dollar bill, that should help.

That looks like an illuminati owl to me.
 
The camera is pretty good and the lens is improved, but the Camera app is still lacking. Until I can have more control over the settings (aperture, shutter speed, white balance), it won't replace my point-and-shoot--which can do all of those things.

What point and shoot do you have that allows you to control shutter speed? Any point and shoots that have manual controls like that are usually in $400-$500 range. i.e. Canon G series and Nikon P series.
 
I would prefer to have a 2-4MP sensor with much better noise control offering me better photos in a wider range of lighting conditions.

As times go by, sensors usually get more pixels AND get better in low lighting. I'd guess there's a limit on how small each can get while limiting the mount of noise, but it seems every time someone claims extra mega pixels hurt, eventually new sensors with better low light performance gets released.

The main problem is that people see the pictures 100% enlarged at the pixel level. When you downsample the image properly, there should little difference in terms of noise between 8MP and 5MP and 8MP might even be better. The bigger part of it also is how effective the noise suppression is in software, and Apple said it's gotten better.
 
I have shot full time for a living for over two decades, done very well. After shooting digital for nearly 18 years, I have gone mostly back to film for fine art and some magazine work, but I do pull out the digital for certain things.

Megapixels matter, to a point. What the iPhone has over many digital cameras, including my high end Nikons and even my new fave, the Fuji X100, is "Mojo".

It just has a unique combo of enough resolution paired with a sharp lens and a great way of drawing in light. When in Paris last year, I encountered a large protest that had blocked off a major intersection. I was in my 6th and final year on a book project shot on film, I only had my iPhone4 as a digital. I shot the protest and moved the photos to my agency in New York, we made three newspaper covers and made several other sales due to speed over file size.

But the best return on my iPhone investment came this year with a show of 22 images from my phone, most were 9" x 9" prints but we also did two 30" x 30" prints that held up fantastic. I made enough money off of this show to pay for new iPhones for many years to come.

Out of some 8 cameras in three formats, the iPhone 4 is one of my favorites. So since I am holding out for the 5, I ordered my wife the 4S. And folks, it does not matter how many megapixels it has, all that will ever matter is how talented you are and how you see the world.


Outstanding post. I always like to hear stories like this from professionals (and subject matter experts on the topic).

One of my pro photographer buddies is fond of saying "The best camera, is the one you have with you" :)

I agree that some of the better P&S cameras have better PQ, but most of those start moving into the not-easy-to-pocket size, and honestly, if it requires an extra bag, I'll just bring a DSLR.
 
The thing I remember most from the iPhone 4 camera launch was Jobs lauding their pixel size vs. the number of megapixels.

Any idea if this sensor is the same pixel size/shape as that in the iPhone 4? I know it's still backside illuminated, etc. Just wondering if they are still paying attention to pixel structure as well as count?
 
Hoping this is shallow DOF/shake vs. optics issue.

Shake or motion blur would be seen across the entire bill. Shallow DoF appears to be the culprit - the lower portion of the bill is in sharper focus than the top portion - the camera angle is not straight on and the top of the bill is further away from the plane of the sensor. So...

I'm impressed with what I see.
 
And this is interesting because... They announced it would have an 8 mp camera, we really don't need proof do we? You're just making it feel longer to Friday :)
 
Looks nice. The color is much improved over the iPhone 4. There doesn't appear to be much fringing around the corners or discoloration at the center of the image. Phil explained in the keynote that the added IR filter helps improve color uniformity across the entire image. I wonder what the lighting conditions were where this photo was taken.
 
Shake or motion blur would be seen across the entire bill. Shallow DoF appears to be the culprit - the lower portion of the bill is in sharper focus than the top portion - the camera angle is not straight on and the top of the bill is further away from the plane of the sensor. So...

I'm impressed with what I see.

In looking at it a second time, I have to agree with this. Even the very lower left hand corner is slightly soft so I think this is a function of f2.4 plus close focus.
 
What really matters

Can we get a photo of the same subject, distance, lighting, time, etc from an iPhone 4 and an iPhone 4S? That would tell me how much better it is. :eek:
 
I believe the 4S still has a rolling shutter so it could possibly be motion blur but DoF might be more likely.

Doesn't seem like much time or effort was put into getting a good photo of the bill though. I'm sure a little more effort, steadier hands and a better focus would produce a better result.
 
Looks good, though I was pretty happy with the iPhone 4 camera... My biggest gripe, which actually still really pisses me off, is the green blob under florescent lights, hope thats fixed in the iPhone 4s
 
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