An A5 Powered iPhone Will Have Much Faster Graphics Performance

[iSee]

Yup.

And I'd be shocked if any of the apps written in the near future (read: 8-12 months) will take advantage of this so as to not to alienate the legacy hardware in the iP4.

Big speed increase that you won't see any real benefit from for some time.

Oh, and good luck enjoying your fast graphics with a shattered glass back or glass screen because the iPhone 4S continued to use fragile build materials and refused to put a protective bezel around the phone to protect the edges from direct shattering impacts.

Prepare to be shocked then. (1) This is the same GPU as the iPad 2... might be a few apps around already taking advantage of this ; (2) It's not necessarily that hard to take advantage of a faster GPU. Some stuff you get for free, some stuff requires relatively small changes like turning on and configuring a rendering feature you had previously left turned off for performance reasons. Active developers will be able to take advantage of the easy stuff very quickly -- hardly longer than it takes to get an update approved in some cases.

 

[kiljoy616]

I believe everyone already expected this.........

That is all I want right there, same phone but turbo charged.

Oh and maybe a fix for the antenagate issue.

 

[monkeybongo]

If there is a iPhone 4S with the same look as the iPhone 4, the only way that this will be called a success if the price of the phone drops by a $100 since they managed to save on design costs for a new look and manufacturing costs for only one primary model (CDMA and GSM).

iPhone 4 $0 with contract
iPhone 4S $99 and up

 

[josh2012]

I've dropped my iPhone 4 down 2 stories of unfinished stairs and landed on concrete. No case and only 1 small chip of glass out of the front edge works fine no cracks. Quite fragile indeed...

You're funny. Wonder how my iPhone 4 has survived so many falls on hard surfaces. Must be because it's extremely fragile.

 

[dadoftwogirls]

I've read a bunch of reply's downplaying the speed increase, that it will be months before you'll see apps taking advantage of it, and calling the iPhone 4 a "fragile" device. I haven't stopped laughing.

I have had my iPhone 4 from day one when it was released. I have dropped it maybe 5 or 6 times accidentally without any issues. I'd hardly call it fragile and I use mine all day long with it going in and out of my pocket, thrown on my car seat, etc... People who are whining about "fragile build" have never used it and don't have a clue. Let's see a Samsung get knocked around. Drop it the wrong way and it will break also. If you treat it like some kind of silver back gorilla, or launch it across the parking lot, I'm sure you can break it. For the rest of us, they are plenty durable.

As far as the speed goes, again, within a few days, if not weeks there were plenty of apps taking advantage of the iPhone 4's huge increase over the 3GS. In fact, I'd be surprised if there are developers out there that don't have app updates just waiting to be released once the new device is in the hands of consumers.

What a bunch of goobs!

 

[mactree]

Tomorrow! Tomorrow! I love ya, Tomorrow! You're always, a day away!

 

[Number 41]

I've read a bunch of reply's downplaying the speed increase, that it will be months before you'll see apps taking advantage of it, and calling the iPhone 4 a "fragile" device. I haven't stopped laughing.

I have had my iPhone 4 from day one when it was released. I have dropped it maybe 5 or 6 times accidentally without any issues. I'd hardly call it fragile and I use mine all day long with it going in and out of my pocket, thrown on my car seat, etc... People who are whining about "fragile build" have never used it and don't have a clue. Let's see a Samsung get knocked around. Drop it the wrong way and it will break also. If you treat it like some kind of silver back gorilla, or launch it across the parking lot, I'm sure you can break it. For the rest of us, they are plenty durable.

As far as the speed goes, again, within a few days, if not weeks there were plenty of apps taking advantage of the iPhone 4's huge increase over the 3GS. In fact, I'd be surprised if there are developers out there that don't have app updates just waiting to be released once the new device is in the hands of consumers.

What a bunch of goobs!

Anecdotes prove nothing. I know at least half a dozen people who have been forced to replace glass on their iPhone 4 due to shattering.

 

[dadoftwogirls]

Anecdotes prove nothing. I know at least half a dozen people who have been forced to replace glass on their iPhone 4 due to shattering.

What anecdotes?

Fact. I've dropped mine on the ground several times, including concrete and mine hasn't shattered.

Fact. I don't know a single person that owns an iPhone 4 that has had a shattered or broken iPhone.

Fact. I provide 18 iPhone 4's to employee's that work for me. Not one has had a shattered screen and I'm pretty sure that although they wouldn't run right in and tell me, most have probably dropped or abused them on accident.

 

[vartanarsen]

hi all, if this actually has an A5 chip, I would like to upgrade by selling my iP4 on ebay.

How much do you think i could get for my Canadian-Factory-Unlocked iPhone 4 that is in PRISTINE condition, not even the tiniest blemish exists on it.

$400?

 

[dadoftwogirls]

hi all, if this actually has an A5 chip, I would like to upgrade by selling my iP4 on ebay.

How much do you think i could get for my Canadian-Factory-Unlocked iPhone 4 that is in PRISTINE condition, not even the tiniest blemish exists on it.

$400?

Canadian money or U.S.? Regardless, I seriously doubt it. It is going to depend on how Apple prices the new offerings but even then that sounds high. You also don't say if it is a 16GB or 32GB model.

 

[johnpq]

Anecdotes prove nothing. I know at least half a dozen people who have been forced to replace glass on their iPhone 4 due to shattering.

You are correct, sir. Anecdotes prove nothing. Including your ancedote of at least 6 people you know who have broken their phone. Hypocrite much?

 

[apolloa]

I've read a bunch of reply's downplaying the speed increase, that it will be months before you'll see apps taking advantage of it, and calling the iPhone 4 a "fragile" device. I haven't stopped laughing.

I have had my iPhone 4 from day one when it was released. I have dropped it maybe 5 or 6 times accidentally without any issues. I'd hardly call it fragile and I use mine all day long with it going in and out of my pocket, thrown on my car seat, etc... People who are whining about "fragile build" have never used it and don't have a clue. Let's see a Samsung get knocked around. Drop it the wrong way and it will break also. If you treat it like some kind of silver back gorilla, or launch it across the parking lot, I'm sure you can break it. For the rest of us, they are plenty durable.

As far as the speed goes, again, within a few days, if not weeks there were plenty of apps taking advantage of the iPhone 4's huge increase over the 3GS. In fact, I'd be surprised if there are developers out there that don't have app updates just waiting to be released once the new device is in the hands of consumers.

What a bunch of goobs!

I think it may just be the way it hits the ground? Or the type of surface it's dropped on? I've dropped mine but only on carpet. As for the speed, well their are games that already take advantage of the A5 processor, Shadowgun for example whilst it loos stunning on the iPhone 4, it actually uses the more advance features of the A5's GPU to make it look even better! The iPad 2 has been out long enough for apps to use the A5 on an iPhone 4S/ 5.
It's actually pretty stupid to say it will take a long time for apps to use an A5..

But I have always thought the glass on the back of the iPhone 4 is a stupid idea and it REALLY needs to be scratch proof! I am hoping they replace it with plastic or metal. I would prefer plastic as it's more durable and will help to make the phone lighter.

 

[GorgonPhone]

Adding more power to the iphone and keeping the screen so small is the same as adding 200HP to a car and not upgrading the transmission to get the power to the ground.

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I'm thinking that the A5 will be even more significant for the iPhone, than the iPad, since it's a smaller device. We're looking at a beast here guys. 1GB of RAM, Dual Core A5 processor, this thing will run like water.

yup great water through a very small tap/screen...lolo

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Yeah, but most people in this forum are more preoccupied with the shape of the form than with the vastly improved performance!! It leads me to believe that they would much rather get the new shape than a better phone!!

Cause we dont need more performance.. we need better output as in larger screen to get the best utility out of the added power duh.!!!!

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Games seem to look a little better on my iPhone 4 than my iPad 2.

lol cause you ipad 2 has the same old low rez screen as the ipad 1 and the 3gs i-phone...lol ipad to was a waste of money

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The sharks on Wall Street would immediately start circling Tim Cook if his first major product announcement was a dud like this.

exactly...

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A flash exported game, Machinarium, only runs only iPad 2. The developers main reason was that iPad 1 lacked necessary ram and cpu speed......for a 2D game.

Hopefully Machinarium can finally run on iPhone 5.

BS^^^... rage HD looks 100000Xs better and runs super smooth in full real time 3d on ipad1..

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You forgot the 8MP Camera as well.

same crappy small lens = not good

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There are a few apps that are iPad 2 only. More to come toward Christmas. Who knows how many will launch with the new iPhone!!

all of them can be tweaked ion a jailbroken ipad1 to run just fine

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It has when it comes to games; the graphics performance is seriously underpowered for the number of pixels on the screen. The A5 is much more appropriate for that resolution.

--Eric

but since the screen is so small very few can tell or care cause they can hardly see the screen anyway/...lolo

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While more speed is always nice and more megapixels for the camera can be great, the facts are:

- the current iPhone 4 already runs like butter (including games)
- the current iPhone 4 already has a camera that allows for A4-sized prints in good quality
- who gives a rat's a** if he or she can use the phone on CSMA and on GSM. Considering the costs for global roaming, nobody is going to use his or her phone on different continents anyway.
- voice integration is about as thought-after as video telephony. Google has had perfect voice integration for close to two years. And in this case, the technology and the implementation really are VERY good. Still, nobody uses it.

The ONLY area where the iPhone 4 sucks big time is the tiny screen - and that's the only thing Apple apparently isn't improving on.

If we look at Android's market share, releasing another iPhone 4 (especially after such a long time - we shouldn't forget that the current iPhone 4 has been on the market for what seems an eternity) while all other manufacturers are now producing 4, 4.3 and even 4.5 inch screens (and the SGS IIs with the beautiful 4.3" screens are selling like hotcakes), will be a major problem for Apple in terms of market share in the near future.

^^^ part in bold is sooo true.... if they dont increase the screen i will save my $300 till next year,,

 

[chrmjenkins]

Adding more power to the iphone and keeping the screen so small is the same as adding 200HP to a car and not upgrading the transmission to get the power to the ground.

Nope. Bad analogy. The SoC is the engine and the transmission.

Dropping an A5 in a iphone 4 shell is exactly what it sounds like. Dropping a new engine, transmission and drive train in the same chassis of a car.

The form factor of a car is something people can debate about forever. More power for the same gas usage is not something many will complain about.

 

[GorgonPhone]

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Steve is an incredibly smart businessman!! He plans all his moves ahead of time specially with his illness he had to plan his exit from apple perfectly so that it wouldn't hurt apples success!! That means having Tim cook as CEO when this amazing redesigned iPhone 5 hits the shelves. That is why I think it was not released at it's usual summer debut.
He learned from past experiences how to keep the iPhone 5 from being leaked with the leak of past products (iPhone 4 bar mess)
If Tim cook doesn't wow us on Tuesday with something spectacular apples stock will take a HUGE hit and I think that's not the correct start to a new legacy that Timmy needs!!
Here's to a new redesigned iPhone 5 (lifts champagne cup)

i agree 10000000000000%

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Nope. Bad analogy. The SoC is the engine and the transmission.

Dropping an A5 in a iphone 4 shell is exactly what it sounds like. Dropping a new engine, transmission and drive train in the same chassis of a car.

The form factor of a car is something people can debate about forever. More power for the same gas usage is not something many will complain about.

NOPE!!! a bigger screen is like wider tires that will increase traction and enable you to use the extra torque.

with more power must come a better way to use it..FACT

 

[Seiga]

Hrm.... Don't see duel core phones like the Bionic included in the benchmark. Would love to see the new iPhone's potential benchmark up against the latest.

 

[apolloa]

i agree 10000000000000%

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NOPE!!! a bigger screen is like wider tires that will increase traction and enable you to use the extra torque.

with more power must come a better way to use it..FACT

WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING AT EVERYONE???

Oh and your wrong, it is NOT 'fact' at all, it is YOUR opinion, that's the true 'Fact'!

 

[Laird Knox]

Anecdotes prove nothing. I know at least half a dozen people who have been forced to replace glass on their iPhone 4 due to shattering.

You are correct, sir. Anecdotes prove nothing. Including your ancedote of at least 6 people you know who have broken their phone. Hypocrite much?

Oh now you are just being silly. Obviously his stories are more relevant.

I mean if you repeat it enough times it becomes true, right?

 

[jwhite878]

Breaking news: Pope is Catholic

 

[LeakedDave]

Just for the record, a ton of you are misinformed about how developing works. You don't have to "code it to take advantage" of the new GPU. It will by default run wayyyyyy faster.

Not to mention making universal apps and games that run on a 1st generation iPhone and an iPad 2 and scale properly and use the proper graphics also is not hard.

And then there's tools like Unity3d which make everything much easier. For instance, I'm making a 2D game with it and it works on a Samsung Galaxy i5500 with 240x480 resolution and some random 600mhz processor. It also runs on a Nexus S with 480x800 with the Hummingbird, and first gen iPod touch with 320x480, Xoom with 1280x800 and the iPad 2 with 1024x768.

It also supports every resolution imaginable on PCs and Macs.

And it scales and fits all of the graphics perfectly.

Meanwhile I'm 19 and work by myself.

Anyways, I did not do any sort of "optimization". Guess which device runs it the fastest? The iPad 2 > Xoom > Nexus S > iPhone 4 > Galaxy i5500

I find it ridiculous that big companies wouldn't be able to make universal apps that take advantage of new system on chips and at the same time remain compatible with older models.

 

[marksman]

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Yeah, but most people in this forum are more preoccupied with the shape of the form than with the vastly improved performance!! It leads me to believe that they would much rather get the new shape than a better phone!!

You're correct in believing that. I would definitely get a new form factor than the one I have already used. I need to experience something different; I need a better feel my hand. iPhone4 doesn't do it at all.

Sorry if that hurts someone but 3G/3GS was very comfortable to hold.

But I already know that A5 is a beast and the next iPhone will have >768MB of RAM; so I am really not bothered about that.

Puff!

I feel sorry for your dingaling, it is the same in your hand your entire life.

 

[GorgonPhone]

WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING AT EVERYONE???

Oh and your wrong, it is NOT 'fact' at all, it is YOUR opinion, that's the true 'Fact'!

ITS A FACT!!!

 

[ImperialX]

ITS A FACT!!!

I didn't believe it before, but I believe it when people say there are 12-year olds on the forums now. My gosh.

 

[fiveainone]

I have a 3gs. It lags, takes forever to get the camera app up. Takes cruddy pictures especially without fantastic lighting. Volume up/down buttons are sketchy. Headphone jack is unreliable. Dock connector is about to die (stuff has to be plugged in just right. I have to smash the home button to get it to register.

I want a phone that flows through the interface like water, gets to the camera app quickly and takes good pictures, even without fabulous amounts of light. I believe I will get all of that on tuesday.

Now I understand how General Motors was able to sell brand new redesigned cars every year back in the 50s, with people snatching up new ones every year.

 

[raviadso]

Im a 3GS owner and Im buyin what they are selling. After two years my phone is really biting the dust. I put a new battery in but it crawls and needs a restore every few weeks. Not fun.

A turbo-charged phone with the innards of an ipad 2 and the benefits of IOS5 is going to be an absolute killer. I wanted the 4 for its beauty (didnt really care for facetime), but there just wasnt enough reason to upgrade (and pay double).

4S looks like a definite pre-order if its really as powerful as people say. I still dont think they will give it twice the ram of the ipad though. At most it seems like it will match the ipad2 in RAM. Im not complaining though-- bottling the speed of an ipad2 in a phone seems like a tremendous accomplishment and something that I want to hold. The iphone 4s chassis seems like a fittingly beautiful and industrial-minimalist container for that kind of power.