No issues with my 2.3/16/256.
No lag, zippy computing, great machine.
O ya, and one of the most vibrant screens I've ever seen.
Good to hear some positive feedback too J.L.
No issues with my 2.3/16/256.
No lag, zippy computing, great machine.
O ya, and one of the most vibrant screens I've ever seen.
Also read this on another thread.
I'm glad to report though that during such times of 'lag' CPU and GPU usage remains very low so I don't really think it's hardware, just that the drivers or OSX hasn't been optimised for it just yet.
I have done extensive testing and can agree on this one. It is by no means limited by hardware, but something at the core of OS X. It does really bug me, but I will not be returning the PC because at very worst you can always boot windows for silky smooth performance.
Things to note:
Forcing intel or nvidia graphics makes no difference. CPU is not being saturated.
Mountain Lion does *not* fix this issue in applications but safari. Safari 6 included with ML seems to (as far as I can tell, based on the way pages are rendered in comparison to Safari 5) do bitmap caching on text and page content wherever possible, as well as utilise threaded rendering more than previous versions. Due to this, most websites run at a smooth 60fps on ML, with some exceptions where fixed divs or large scrollable sub-areas are present (like facebook) in a similar fashion to how you would see them perform on iOS devices.
General desktop performance is slightly better in ML, especially switching desktops or just dragging windows around.
Raw draw performance is not an issue on Lion or ML; blitting full-screen 1920x1200x2 @60fps is silky smooth.
The performance hit is worse depending on the amount of text that is drawn to the screen (at least this is the largest factor). Therefore, applications that display large text bodies text editors; rss readers etc. show issues the most. Larger font sizes also seem to contribute. Reeder (the new retina supporting release) is a choppy 20-25fps, for example.
Changing text anti-aliasing modes makes no difference (sub-pixel hinting off / different "weights" of sub-pixel).
The issue is one that will likely be fixed at Apple's end, should enough noise be made. This may be as simple as fixing a blocking issue somewhere in their OS/UI stack, or offset by providing baked-in bitmap caching support for common text-centric UI elements so developers do not need to do this on their own (providing performance boosts as seen in Safari 6).
For what it's worth, I did most of my testing using the 1920x1200 scale mode. I did re-test at "Retina" scale where comparing Lion to ML especially, and found that this made little difference. I was mostly using smaller windows for tests that would fit on the retina and scaled mode without resizing the actual window content, meaning the only variable would be the OS double-sampling and scaling overheads (which seem to be very minimal).
Note that I also tried with a 27" cinema display connected and this did not impact performance at all.
I have to say overall that I am very happy with the system and while after initially testing in the apple store (before my order shipped) was considering cancelling, once you go retina you can't go back. The lag will be improved over time whether it is Apple or devs of our core apps that fix it. Having Safari fixed does help a lot, too, so at least wait around for the ML release before making any rash decisions.
at very worst you can always boot windows for silky smooth performance.
Or run anon-retina resoloution using SwitchResX
Good to hear some positive feedback too J.L.May I ask what your last mac was, just to get a measure to what you are comparing it against?
I'm on Bootcamp Windows 7 and Firefox. Zero stutter issues. Oh, I am also stress testing my video card (testing max temp), which has had no noticeable performance loss while browsing.
Yeah I have a Sony Vaio Core duo. I also have a Dell Core Duo for work. I tested the same websites that have stutter on my rMBP and they also experience the same stutter at the same locations.
The lag is the least of your worries. You realize there's not going to be a retina optimized version of autocad within the next two months right? Let alone photoshop or cinema 4d.
Forget everything we read about lag. Can just someone please tell me that I will get an awesome machine and it will just run fine...![]()
Calm down its simply the OS hasnt been updated when mountain lion comes out it should be fine. Seeing as it has tested 1680 by 1050 on diablo 3 to run over 80fps shows it is not the hardware.Great, so the rMBP is as fast as a 5 year old laptop, impressive to say the least.![]()
Also read this on another thread.
I'm glad to report though that during such times of 'lag' CPU and GPU usage remains very low so I don't really think it's hardware, just that the drivers or OSX hasn't been optimised for it just yet.
I have done extensive testing and can agree on this one. It is by no means limited by hardware, but something at the core of OS X. It does really bug me, but I will not be returning the PC because at very worst you can always boot windows for silky smooth performance.
Things to note:
Forcing intel or nvidia graphics makes no difference. CPU is not being saturated.
Mountain Lion does *not* fix this issue in applications but safari. Safari 6 included with ML seems to (as far as I can tell, based on the way pages are rendered in comparison to Safari 5) do bitmap caching on text and page content wherever possible, as well as utilise threaded rendering more than previous versions. Due to this, most websites run at a smooth 60fps on ML, with some exceptions where fixed divs or large scrollable sub-areas are present (like facebook) in a similar fashion to how you would see them perform on iOS devices.
General desktop performance is slightly better in ML, especially switching desktops or just dragging windows around.
Raw draw performance is not an issue on Lion or ML; blitting full-screen 1920x1200x2 @60fps is silky smooth.
The performance hit is worse depending on the amount of text that is drawn to the screen (at least this is the largest factor). Therefore, applications that display large text bodies text editors; rss readers etc. show issues the most. Larger font sizes also seem to contribute. Reeder (the new retina supporting release) is a choppy 20-25fps, for example.
Changing text anti-aliasing modes makes no difference (sub-pixel hinting off / different "weights" of sub-pixel).
The issue is one that will likely be fixed at Apple's end, should enough noise be made. This may be as simple as fixing a blocking issue somewhere in their OS/UI stack, or offset by providing baked-in bitmap caching support for common text-centric UI elements so developers do not need to do this on their own (providing performance boosts as seen in Safari 6).
For what it's worth, I did most of my testing using the 1920x1200 scale mode. I did re-test at "Retina" scale where comparing Lion to ML especially, and found that this made little difference. I was mostly using smaller windows for tests that would fit on the retina and scaled mode without resizing the actual window content, meaning the only variable would be the OS double-sampling and scaling overheads (which seem to be very minimal).
Note that I also tried with a 27" cinema display connected and this did not impact performance at all.
I have to say overall that I am very happy with the system and while after initially testing in the apple store (before my order shipped) was considering cancelling, once you go retina you can't go back. The lag will be improved over time whether it is Apple or devs of our core apps that fix it. Having Safari fixed does help a lot, too, so at least wait around for the ML release before making any rash decisions.
at very worst you can always boot windows for silky smooth performance.
Or run anon-retina resoloution using SwitchResX
Great, so the rMBP is as fast as a 5 year old laptop, impressive to say the least.![]()
Um you realize you're basically not even using the retina display scaling in windows right?
After owning the rMBP for 2 days now, the only lagging or shuttering that I experience is when I scroll in a window with a lot of graphics such as a mac app store window, or the homepage of Mac Rumors. However this is apparently going to be fixed or improved in Mountain Lion. An in depth review for the Retina talks about it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94OenZ71ADY&feature=player_embedded. I have run CoD 4 at full res with max performance and I'll only see a minor drop in performance. I am not trying to justify my purchase, if I was noticing lackluster performance I'd bring it right back to Apple! I haven't tried it out in Final Cut yet so I can't give my opinion on processor intensive apps yet.
If your using the full native resolution but with 200% DPI scaling then you are![]()
Hello
Ive placed about a week ago an order for a 2.7/16 GB/512SSD MBPr but after reading all this and watching the demo videos Im starting to have second thoughts.
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I really think Ill cancel the retina until its more mature. Dont get me wrong, I still think the MBPr its a great example of engineering but the user experience seems to lag a little behind.
My understanding is that Apple is pushing the graphics technology because there are no graphics cards capable of handling the new Retina display. Apple doesn't have any higher options currently.I am opening this thread up as a place that users of the rmbp can share the experiences with the now well established issues with driving the retina display (see thread from front page as a primer:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1396188/ ).
These kinds of threads are always a minefield and people resort to a lot of bashing and counter bashing since, a. people that buy something want to rationalize away any problems to justify their purchase, and b. a lot of people here feel it's their duty to defend apple against any perceived "attack".
Let's try to keep this thread clear of that please. So it can be useful to any prospective buyers (I am one) who have been alarmed with the reporting on these issues and are having second thoughts on purchasing an rmbp.
The rMBP is a pushing the limits of technology, apple are to be commended for that. Maybe some will argue that their obsession with thinness has brought a big cost to performance and the slimming down was premature, when a thicker model could have afforded a better graphics card, or that maybe their rushing it to market to have first release bragging rights was too early. Whatever the case might be the notebook is out and it's in user hands now and can be evaluated.
Any polite feedback is appreciated: positive, negative and neutral.
Any specific problems with certain applications and lack thereof with others.
Any technical discussions are more than welcome.
Any experiences running ml dp and soon the ml official release to see if it's possible for software developments to make up for the hardware shotcomings.
Let's keep this clean and informative guys so everyone can read the feedback and assess the issues or lack thereof for themselves.![]()