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An Open Letter to the Mac Community: The Decline of macOS
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If I were in such similar circumstance, it may be that I would also feel the same 🤷‍♂️
My mini was $1700. If "setup" includes the following:
Monitors: $500
Keyboard & mouse: $150
Microphone & camera: $100
Speakers: 20 years old, no cost
It's somewhere between $1700 and $2400.
I don't think I've ever had to reboot it, except for a software install.
I did have to restart my MBA more often than my PC when I got it.
“More often” being about 3-4 times a month. Hardly a major problem.
However even this hasn’t been the case for quite some while. One of the updates seem to have taken care of it.
I don’t know what kind of setup the OP is running, but based on my personal experience, MacOS is stable. Perhaps the OP has a fairly niche case. Surely if I spent $5k and was having issues, I’d be pissed off. However, I’d try to get Apple higher level support involved.
It would be wonderful if you went into some detail about what the problems are. For example what do you find about the System Preferences that is chaotic? How are Music, Mail, Photos and Apple TV usability catastrophes. I'm hearing that something is wrong but you're just not explaining how its wrong. I'm not against you, but or something that reads like a manifesto, it would be great to see an actual detailed expression of your discontent.
Atm, I am terribly annoyed with the optimised charging mode not holding up. It just have frequent dips and then stay at 100% (really about 96.7%). It should stay at 80%, as advertised. If I remember correctly, even with Sonoma, it took a while get that mode to work well, so I'll wait. Feedback sent anyway.
The highly advertised window tiling doesn't really work, that is, 2 windows won't move together as in Linux and Windows decades ago. Math notes is pretty good, much better than the "new" fixed size calculator. Ofcourse, you can use the Terminal to the work a calculator or math notes much easier. Have separate terminal for that too.
That macOS cannot remember the last copied text, when right clicking is highly annoying. Feedback sent, let's see if anyone had taken heed. Using the keyboard to copy paste works as usual, but not the right click. First I thought it might be a Magic Mouse problem, but it is same with the trackpad
The thing is what did Apple add to Ventura that Sonoma or Sequoia to become better? Some eye-candy? I think this upgrade every year a new name is useless, better add new options/features to the existing OS, after all it is the same macOS for quite a few years.
The highly advertised window tiling doesn't really work, that is, 2 windows won't move together as in Linux and Windows decades ago. Math notes is pretty good, much better than the "new" fixed size calculator. Ofcourse, you can use the Terminal to the work a calculator or math notes much easier. Have separate terminal for that too.
That macOS cannot remember the last copied text, when right clicking is highly annoying. Feedback sent, let's see if anyone had taken heed. Using the keyboard to copy paste works as usual, but not the right click. First I thought it might be a Magic Mouse problem, but it is same with the trackpad
The thing is what did Apple add to Ventura that Sonoma or Sequoia to become better? Some eye-candy? I think this upgrade every year a new name is useless, better add new options/features to the existing OS, after all it is the same macOS for quite a few years.
I dont think I can agree with any of this, I still think Apple produces the best out of all the operating systems on the market. I think there are some legit UI improvements to be made sure, I actually agree on System Preferences panel though - I cannot stand it. Works great on the iPad but on macOS its just horrible, everything feels like its hidden and so hard to find. As someone who works support, I have a migrane every time I hear "This strange message popped up what do I do?".
Despite that, I'd still rather have macOS than a Windows box any day.
Despite that, I'd still rather have macOS than a Windows box any day.
OP is right. macOS has been getting worse over the years. It's been a slow death since ~10.7. I blame swift. Not the language itself... but the ethos it represents.
As more of macOS and Apps that get reeducated/rewritten, they lose what made them great on Mac to begin with. It's just a matter of time till all child OSes are dropped for a unified (simplified...) AppleOS.
Just my $0.02... not that it matters to a company that counts in the Trillions...
I don't mean to be flippant, but these sound like empty words without specific examples to support them.
Can you give me any example of how MacOS 15 has been "simplified" in comparison to 10.7?
I could give you plenty of examples of how during this time MacOS has gained feature after feature after feature.
You also mention apps that have lost what made them great. Do you have any example to offer?
Once again, most of the apps I use have gained feature after feature after feature.
Logic Pro, to mention one I know well, is the best it has ever been, and so are many other apps.
It is all very well to be nostalgic about the past, but a completely different thing to say that it was better than the present.
ok, I agree to some extant with both of you, my personal favorite was 10.2 but individual tastes do vary. I think the original poster was guilty of breaking the 'if it ain't broke don't fix it rule' , I suspect in some os/application software configuration he had a stable system - then he upgraded for whatever reason and may be hitting memory or timing conflicts leading to reboots. most of what I have done relates to embedded systems which means I'm aware of the systems above me vaguely, and concerned with the hardware/firmware below. simplicity is its own virtue in software
engineering I feel apple has lost its way - I don't care if my iPhone, iPad, MacBook or desktop can talk to each other I just want each device to do a limited number of tasks well (not perfectly that's hubris)
My 13 Mini lost ability for optimized charging after 6 months or so even though the charging routine and location never changed, never got it back after that.
For the M2 MBP I ended up buying AlDente Pro and its been highly customizable and extremely consistent when always tethered.
iPhone 13 Mini, yes. Once battery health percentage dropped disproportionally, I didn't care that much anymore. Resetting to factory might have re-invigorate things but the gain and unknown that battery optimization having possibly worked/ or not just wasn't worth it in the end.
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Yeah. I wish I could just select a limit (e.g. 80%) and have it hold it because yeah, sometimes it decides to stay at 80% (what I want most of the time) and other times (frequently), it decides to go to 100%.
BTW, back to my uptime comment, the 14" personal M1 Pro MB Pro I'm typing on has an uptime of 6 days and 21 hours (yes, it's asleep most of the time) so this is since last reboot.
From looking at my software installation report via the hint at https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3009484?sortBy=rank, when Terminal was restored and thus uptime was reset was when I updated to MacOS 14.7 back on 9/25/24, probably from 14.6.1.
My work Mac (M1 Pro 16" MB Pro) is at 28 days and over 23:40. The reboot was probably due to installing Mac OS 14.6.1 on 9/3/24. This machine gets plugged into and unplugged from a ton of different things like a bunch of different USB-C monitors (we have many models at work + 1 more I have at home), 2 different external hard drives, a https://us.moshi.com/products/symbus-compact-usb-c-dock (with its own HDMI, USB ports, wired Ethernet ports), 2 Apple Thunderbolt Displays via adapter (has USB ports on the back, Ethernet, 2 cameras, speakers and Mics), and some USB dongles besides being woken and slept a lot. We also need to use my work's crap VPN software running and our IT group has put on Crowdstrike.
Are things perfect? Of course not. Sometimes, there seems to be some runaway Apple process that's chewing up a ton of CPU time for no reason. I kill it and things seem ok afterward. My formerly used Intel heater 2017 MacBook Pro 15" used to kernel and GPU panic a lot more than my Apple Silicon Macs.
Awhile ago, for kicks, I tried using my iPad Pro 10.5" as an extended display for my 14" MB Pro. I did it wirelessly (no cable connection). It worked at first then I got MASSIVE graphics corruption problems on the laptop's LCD which I've NEVER seen before, so I had to stop (and I think I rebooted). Since then, I've not bothered to try again. Seems like a broken feature that wasn't well-tested.
This is going to become the standard going forward unless we put regulations on AI use. People will use it for everything so we will lose even more critical thinking.
“Translated with AI” is not the same thing as “written with AI”.
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Maybe we can have a list of apps that we like and hate on the macOS.
Like: Safari, Finder, Preview
Hate: System Settings!!; Music
Basically, the apps that are still good haven't been changed much from their original form in the big cat era, while the apps that suck are "inspired" by iPadOS/iOS.
Like: Safari, Finder, Preview
Hate: System Settings!!; Music
Basically, the apps that are still good haven't been changed much from their original form in the big cat era, while the apps that suck are "inspired" by iPadOS/iOS.
If you think that Safari hasn’t changed, you have not been paying attention.
As for Music. What is it that you dislike that was better in the olden days of iTunes?
I suppose critical thinking is essential to get a good result from AI. You need to have a solid understanding of the subject before asking AI, so it can help produce a better version of what you might have written. Even then, it's still up to us to refine or edit the AI's output.
Not sure what bug you hit but FWIW I do this all the time with my personal laptop and ipad and it works flawlessly
Has not been my experience. I just restart for updates. I faced so many issues with my iMac including 5 daily kernel panics which Apple confirmed was a macOS issue not my hardware. That got fixed ultimately with Big Sur.
Either during or after the session, my M1 Pro 14" MB Pro hit MAJOR graphical corruption on the laptop's LCD. It wasn't minor. I couldn't find any way to resolve it so I ended up having to reboot.
Maybe some day, I'll try again.
I didn't read this gargantuan thread (I used a dictionary for that word) ,
but the OP is right and that is why Steve Jobs was a genius.
Jobs worked via "how can I make this better functionally and more pleasant to the user" . Apple today does not care about MacOS or the user. All the money is in iphone+iOS. MacOS to Apple is like Bing to Microsoft.
You can see how in 2007 the Mac was 43% of Apple revenue, now accessories like earpods make more money than the mac ( 7.7%). They make money off the hardware , but no innovation or improvements on the OS itself.
but the OP is right and that is why Steve Jobs was a genius.
Jobs worked via "how can I make this better functionally and more pleasant to the user" . Apple today does not care about MacOS or the user. All the money is in iphone+iOS. MacOS to Apple is like Bing to Microsoft.
You can see how in 2007 the Mac was 43% of Apple revenue, now accessories like earpods make more money than the mac ( 7.7%). They make money off the hardware , but no innovation or improvements on the OS itself.
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In 2007 just before iPhone Apple was not in a good shape. The larger MacOS share of revenue was due to missing their largest part of revenue stream. The current “small” share of revenue is a larger number.I didn't read this gargantuan thread (I used a dictionary for that word) ,
but the OP is right and that is why Steve Jobs was a genius.
Jobs worked via "how can I make this better functionally and more pleasant to the user" . Apple today does not care about MacOS or the user. All the money is in iphone+iOS. MacOS to Apple is like Bing to Microsoft.
You can see how in 2007 the Mac was 43$ of Apple revenue, now accessories like earpods make more money than the mac. They make money off the hardware , but no innovation or improvements on the OS itself.
That's a lot of letters. A lot of letters....
You wrote the wrong letter. It's a bit of a misdirect. You should write to Apple with mass complaints or directly to Tim Cook or whoever is in charge there now.