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Some people really have no idea how good they've got it.

A couple of weeks on Windows usually fixes that.

A colleague of mine, a Mac user for the best part of 15 years, used this justification to buy himself a Framework laptop recently. To pay the credit card off, the first thing he did was get rid of his MBP on eBay. It was an M1 Pro one. I am currently watching his universe slowly collapsing and the realisation that what he did really doesn't work for him and the long game was probably not changing things. While proudly telling me that he can use native x86-64 docker on it, something he never did before because he didn't need to (we have fat remote machines for that sort of stuff), he can't put it on his lap lest it burn his dick to smithereens. That is among numerous other problems.

While Apple is not perfect, it is certainly less crap than other things. It's worth trying them occasionally to compare.

For a laptop, yeah I would not want to use Windows personally. But when I built my own desktop, I made sure to use good quality parts and the thing still runs like a beast. I made it as close to a Mac experience as I could, but I use it mainly for gaming.
 
If anything, the biggest threat to MS (but not to Mac) is Chromebooks.
Not where I live. Not a single distribution, or stand alone shops sell Chromebooks. Sure, MacBooks are there in those distributions, but main marketed product is Windows laptops (computers) and Android phones and tablets. Chromebooks are not available in the aftermarket sites too. Sometimes there an ad that someone trying to sell a Chromebook brought from the US or Canada. Here mobile computing means smartphones, and the majority is Android.

And, the question in this thread is whether macOS has problems, not Windows, Linux or ChromeOS.
 
Yeahhhh, the Surface devices still have not gotten to that point where the battery life comes close to the M chip MacBooks. But I never had an issue with taking notes on it, but then again I never used tablet mode like that. I agree that the iPad is my preferred choice for PDF markups, reading notes, and books.
Taking notes on Surface when it's sitting on the desk is fine.

I need to be able to perform field checks for engineering projects. This involves taking photos and annotating them, marking up engineering drawings in PDF format, drawing quick sketches. Surface, unfortunately, falls flat on its face in all these tasks. It's the combination of hardware and OS limitations.

For example, taking a photo and marking it up takes a lot more time on Surface than it does on the iPad. Requires more taps, the apps are less responsive. The camera on Surface is worse than on my 3rd gen iPad Pro. Changing screen orientation takes longer, and Surface tends to get confused and change it on me unnecessarily - something that iPad never does. About the only thing that is better on the Surface is the pen - I really like it, the form factor, the extra buttons, and a little added resistance when writing.

PDF markup is another area where Surface sucks. On the iPad, there's several apps that are great for that - Notability, GoodNotes, Apple's own Notes. On MS, practically every app I tried had issues - it would run out of memory and restart in the middle of me taking notes, or it would lag and chew battery, or it would not zoom in far enough to show fine details. Of course working with engineering drawings is very different from working with documents, and takes far more resources.

I like the idea of Surface Pro, and I like the form factor, but the execution... not so much.
 
Taking notes on Surface when it's sitting on the desk is fine. I need to be able to perform field checks for engineering projects. This involves taking photos and annotating them, marking up engineering drawings in PDF format, drawing quick sketches. Surface, unfortunately, falls flat on its face in all these tasks. It's the combination of hardware and OS limitations.
Does it run macOS? Is it due to macOS?
 
Not where I live. Not a single distribution, or stand alone shops sell Chromebooks. Sure, MacBooks are there in those distributions, but main marketed product is Windows laptops (computers) and Android phones and tablets. Chromebooks are not available in the aftermarket sites too. Sometimes there an ad that someone trying to sell a Chromebook brought from the US or Canada. Here mobile computing means smartphones, and the majority is Android.

And, the question in this thread is whether macOS has problems, not Windows, Linux or ChromeOS.
Sorry, we tend to forget that not everybody lives in the US or Canada...

Although I am surprised that Google isn't marketing Chromebooks more aggressively in other markets.

And, MacOS problems are more relevant when compared to other OS's.
 
What does this have to do with anything ? We are discussing the available alternatives to get a better picture of MacOS current state.
Check the OP. It is not about available alternatives, or about how to criticise them, but only about macOS. Do you find anything wrong with macOS?
 
I guess the grass is always greener. I hate using my PC, despite the power. Microsoft is filling the OS with ads and newsfeeds that do not interest me. It's going to be an "AI" machine that tracks everything you do. It's like Facebook in an operating system. Plus new GPUs are going to be giant, 600 watt beasts. That's insane.

I am looking at going back to mac for my personal machine. I prefer using my mac for work. But - I use the adobe suite a lot, and after updating mac OS to the most recent version, I have to give it permission to share data (like sending an AE project to Encoder for rendering) every time I boot up any of those apps. The interoperability of Adobe apps is one of the few remaining reasons to use their software. This seems like a step back, but it's at the OS level. Adobe seems to be caught flat footed by these issues, but no surprise there, right?

I know there are probably ways around it and it really isn't that big of a deal, but man... this was the crap Apple made fun of Windows for in the "I'm a mac, I'm a PC" days. It is not good user experience.

Perhaps we've reached "peak operating system" and things are not gonna get better because of the modern world. Windows probably hit their peak in Windows 7. Perhaps Mac OS is peaking as Apple becomes even more mobile first.

Apple has their annoyances, for sure. Perhaps it will simply come down to which OS annoys us the least in day to day use. Or which one spies the least.
 
I guess the grass is always greener. I hate using my PC, despite the power. Microsoft is filling the OS with ads and newsfeeds that do not interest me. It's going to be an "AI" machine that tracks everything you do. It's like Facebook in an operating system. Plus new GPUs are going to be giant, 600 watt beasts. That's insane.

I am looking at going back to mac for my personal machine. I prefer using my mac for work. But - I use the adobe suite a lot, and after updating mac OS to the most recent version, I have to give it permission to share data (like sending an AE project to Encoder for rendering) every time I boot up any of those apps. The interoperability of Adobe apps is one of the few remaining reasons to use their software. This seems like a step back, but it's at the OS level. Adobe seems to be caught flat footed by these issues, but no surprise there, right?

I know there are probably ways around it, but man... this was the crap Apple made fun of Windows for in the "I'm a mac, I'm a PC" days. It is not good user experience.

Perhaps we've reached "peak operating system" and things are not gonna get better because of the modern world. Windows probably hit their peak in Windows 7. Perhaps Mac OS is peaking as Apple moves towards iOS and becomes even more mobile first.

Apple has their annoyances, for sure. Perhaps it will simply come down to which OS annoys us the least in day to day use.

Eh, I've turned all of that off and run AdGuard on my machine. My rig runs just fine for gaming and coding. I've been able to honestly make it work rather well between Mac and PC in terms of third-party apps.

But yeah, when it comes to downright system management? MacOS is just way easier to me for a personal device. But at the same time, it doesn't to everything I need it to. If Apple really went all in on gaming, to have a viable competition to PC gaming I would honestly swap there too.
 
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I guess the grass is always greener. I hate using my PC, despite the power. Microsoft is filling the OS with ads and newsfeeds that do not interest me. It's going to be an "AI" machine that tracks everything you do. It's like Facebook in an operating system. Plus new GPUs are going to be giant, 600 watt beasts. That's insane.

I am looking at going back to mac for my personal machine. I prefer using my mac for work. But - I use the adobe suite a lot, and after updating mac OS to the most recent version, I have to give it permission to share data (like sending an AE project to Encoder for rendering) every time I boot up any of those apps. The interoperability of Adobe apps is one of the few remaining reasons to use their software. This seems like a step back, but it's at the OS level. Adobe seems to be caught flat footed by these issues, but no surprise there, right?

I know there are probably ways around it and it really isn't that big of a deal, but man... this was the crap Apple made fun of Windows for in the "I'm a mac, I'm a PC" days. It is not good user experience.

Perhaps we've reached "peak operating system" and things are not gonna get better because of the modern world. Windows probably hit their peak in Windows 7. Perhaps Mac OS is peaking as Apple becomes even more mobile first.

Apple has their annoyances, for sure. Perhaps it will simply come down to which OS annoys us the least in day to day use. Or which one spies the least.

Worth noting that Windows 11 has an Enterprise LTSC version available. This contains none of the garbage that consumer sources are subjected to. Google for "massgrave". They have direct download links to microsoft and activation information.
 
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I am looking at going back to mac for my personal machine. I prefer using my mac for work. But - I use the adobe suite a lot, and after updating mac OS to the most recent version, I have to give it permission to share data (like sending an AE project to Encoder for rendering) every time I boot up any of those apps. The interoperability of Adobe apps is one of the few remaining reasons to use their software. This seems like a step back, but it's at the OS level. Adobe seems to be caught flat footed by these issues, but no surprise there, right?
Adobe probably knows, who their main customers are. The Mac world is supposed be ~3% its users.
 
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Here are 2 examples.

1. Enjoy your gradually reducing download speeds.
2. If you are doing some audio/video conversion, enjoy your gradually reducing conversion speeds.

There's a lot of memory leaks in MacOS, post Big Sur. Apple has Zero intention of addressing these. Restart your machine and everything is back to normal.
What are you even talking about? Havent encountered this at all…
 
Check the OP. It is not about available alternatives, or about how to criticise them, but only about macOS. Do you find anything wrong with macOS?
As far as I am concerned, the discussion about MacOS pros and cons is not complete without looking at alternatives.

You're most welcome to disagree.
 
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My biggest problem with the new settings is performance, it stutters even on machines like my M1P MBP and is vastly worse on Intel machines (and I’m specifically talking about supported machines here, like my 2020 MBA, not a machine with OCLP).

The core system settings app on a machine should not lag like it’s trying to render an 8k movie on a se/30

I haven’t experienced this
 
Eh, I've turned all of that off and run AdGuard on my machine. My rig runs just fine for gaming and coding. I've been able to honestly make it work rather well between Mac and PC in terms of third-party apps.

But yeah, when it comes to downright system management? MacOS is just way easier to me for a personal device. But at the same time, it doesn't to everything I need it to. If Apple really went all in on gaming, to have a viable competition to PC gaming I would honestly swap there too.
How do you turn it all off? I'm all ears!
 
Adobe probably knows, who their main customers are. The Mac world is supposed be ~3% its users.
Adobe issues are not limited to just Mac customers, though. This is just something I personally noticed since upgrading to Sequoia. Windows can be extremely slippery when software doesn't work right. That's why I don't game on Windows. I can't upset that house of cards.

I recently found out the dev team for after effects is very small. I guess all that money is going to execs and not software development.

A recent AE bug on my m3 mac: if I had faux bold enabled on a text layer, it slowed AE to a crawl. Otherwise it's really fast on M3 pro (or should I say, fast for After Effects). Confirmed on Adobe official forums. So odd.
 
Windows can be extremely slippery when software doesn't work right.
As I am using exclusively macOS for work and leisure, my interest is on what's "slippery" in present macOS Sequoia...

Here's a list of few, and they are from macOS itself...
  • Optimised charging mode doesn't hold on
  • Sudden random dimming/flickering, especially Safari
  • Overheating and draining battery fast
  • Tiling windows won't adjust size together
  • Once tiled, then maximised, and closed, an app will always start with tiling mode
  • For some users, extended monitors had stopped working
  • USB stick are not recognised for some users
  • Calculator cannot be resized
  • Only one app can stay always on top (calculator), the others cannot
  • Not remembering the last copied text by right clicking, but only the one before,
  • Underlining right words as wrong and suggesting a wrong word
  • ...
Sure, with feedback, the devs would try to clear them out, well I hope so...The problem is, they release unfinished OS, just to keep the date.
 
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Yeah, it's been a long and bumpy road, but I've realized over the last few years, all the Apple hardware I can actually use (& thus that I'm interested in buying) and software that's efficient & dependable in a work environment, are years in the past. And even then there were some good years, and more not-so-good years, but the decisions management have made at the company since about 2016 have increasingly yielded products that are less and less useful & reliable, more expensive, they've finally become a negative value proposition. So Old Apple it is, bc for my purposes, New Apple is effectively a zombie company chasing watches and subscriptions and cars and Ai & whatever shiny object Silicon Valley is dangling in front of investors this week. So whoopee for the shareholders, you gambled on a fast horse. But none of this era has anything to do with what makes Apple's products & Co from 1986-2016 more valuable than my toaster. And I love my toaster. Old Apple > New Apple. ...& maybe all else.
 
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Yeah, it's been a long and bumpy road, but I've realized over the last few years, all the Apple hardware I can actually use (& thus that I'm interested in buying) and software that's efficient & dependable in a work environment, are years in the past. And even then there were some good years, and more not-so-good years, but the decisions management have made at the company since about 2016 have increasingly yielded products that are less and less useful and more expensive, they've finally become a negative value proposition. So Old Apple it is.
Apple's products are WAY cheaper than they used to be - and that is even WITHOUT adjusting for inflation....all while becoming more powerful than ever.

I hope it keeps up with that trend.
 
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Yeah, it's been a long and bumpy road, but I've realized over the last few years, all the Apple hardware I can actually use (& thus that I'm interested in buying) and software that's efficient & dependable in a work environment, are years in the past. And even then there were some good years, and more not-so-good years, but the decisions management have made at the company since about 2016 have increasingly yielded products that are less and less useful & reliable, more expensive, they've finally become a negative value proposition. So Old Apple it is, bc for my purposes, New Apple is effectively a zombie company chasing watches and subscriptions and cars and Ai & whatever shiny object Silicon Valley is dangling in front of investors this week. So whoopee for the shareholders, you gambled on a fast horse. But none of this era has anything to do with what makes Apple's products & Co from 1986-2016 more valuable than my toaster. And I love my toaster. Old Apple > New Apple. ...& maybe all else.
…have you not used an ARM Mac?
 
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If someone wanted that filing capability, seems like it would be easy enough to write and run it as a cron as 60 seconds or whatever.

Scan drop folder for files
For each file found
Scan contents
Classify contents
Move file appropriately
 
Nope. They actually finally made system preferences look like Preferences in any normal app on the Mac. Before Ventura, the System Preferences app was a weird Frankenstein concoction where we had to constantly switch between individual panels and the all-panels view. Plus the window was non-resizable.
I share the view of many others that System Settings is far worse than System Preferences. Just because the UI is more consistent does not make it a better user experience.
 
Apple's products are WAY cheaper than they used to be - and that is even WITHOUT adjusting for inflation....all while becoming more powerful than ever.

I hope it keeps up with that trend.
I don't know about way cheaper but it's also dependent on what country you're buying from. So leaving out the "obviously" much cheaper US, I've bought from AU (10% sales tax) in the past (cheaper also) but have ended up in DE (19% sales tax) where Apple products are ridiculously priced, comparatively. Factoring in wages, cost of living and sales tax, Apple products aren't cheap at all in the EU.
 
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