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I’m curious. The statement was that macOS seems to be “the best device for you” not “The best” which is putting words into my mouth that I never said.

So, if a Mac running macOS which you intend to keep using is not the best device for you — which is the best device for you?

"The best" implies a level of overall superiority to all other choices. To state that it's "the best choice for me" I would have to be confident that no other alternative can approach the overall usability of Mac for me. I am not confident in that. Just the opposite - I am confident that, all things considered, there's no single setup that would qualify as "the best for me", i.e. be clearly superior to anything else out there.

In other words, any setup that I could use is going to be a combination of advantages and disadvantages from the perspective of my needs, requirements, preferences and abilities. At the present time, Mac-based setup that I have offers a good enough balance of pros and cons, but I am also pretty sure that if I really wanted to, I could get a Windows based setup that would offer a similar level of "good enough", just with a different combination of pros and cons.

This is not to say that there's no such thing as "the best for me" at all. In other areas, I can definitely say that "xxxx is the best for me". E.g. I love coffee, and an espresso machine is definitely the best choice for me compared to all other methods. But as far as personal computing goes, at this point, there's no single clear winner. For me.

Hope I satisfied your curiosity.
 
"The best" implies a level of overall superiority to all other choices. To state that it's "the best choice for me" I would have to be confident that no other alternative can approach the overall usability of Mac for me. I am not confident in that. Just the opposite - I am confident that, all things considered, there's no single setup that would qualify as "the best for me", i.e. be clearly superior to anything else out there.

In other words, any setup that I could use is going to be a combination of advantages and disadvantages from the perspective of my needs, requirements, preferences and abilities. At the present time, Mac-based setup that I have offers a good enough balance of pros and cons, but I am also pretty sure that if I really wanted to, I could get a Windows based setup that would offer a similar level of "good enough", just with a different combination of pros and cons.

This is not to say that there's no such thing as "the best for me" at all. In other areas, I can definitely say that "xxxx is the best for me". E.g. I love coffee, and an espresso machine is definitely the best choice for me compared to all other methods. But as far as personal computing goes, at this point, there's no single clear winner. For me.

Hope I satisfied your curiosity.
You did. Thank you. Your reply made it clear that your perspective is nuanced — and that your preference and choice to use a Mac and macOS is not an implicit acknowledgement that a Mac running macOS is the best personal computer for you.
 
I genuinely find it hard to take anyone who says we're worse off right now than in the late 2010s seriously. They had all but abandoned pro users, the laptops doubled as space heaters, and were shipping keyboards that were so badly engineered there was a class action lawsuit about it. A family member had to get their MacBook Pro serviced 4 times for that keyboard issue. Everything sold was frequently using sub par intel chips for massive mark ups. Maybe the software stability was worth it (I wasn't using a Mac until I returned for Apple Silicon) but I'm not convinced.

I have not had a hard crash in like, 2 years, and that was on a beta version I chose to install. I only ever reboot any Mac I use for updates. Crashing daily isn't normal. I recommend trying to troubleshoot it with other users on this forum.

Hard agree here. I skipped that whole line of Macs during the late 2010s because of how bad the keyboards were. And I just wasn't a fan of the touch bar on the keyboard personally. The latest M3 model I bought recently has been rock solid, no hiccups on any software for myself. But I do think that the touch ID, power buttons on their laptops could be wired and sealed off much better.

Overall though, it feels just like the MacBook Pro I had back in 2012, just miles faster.
 
especially the change to system settings you mentioned, it happened in Ventura

In all fairness, on Ventura, System Settings FINALLY were redesigned to match the Preferences paradigm of all normal apps on the Mac. That is, we finally have a sidebar with all settings groups listed and visible at all times. Instead of the idiotic approach of the original System Preferences where we had to constantly go back and forth between individual panels and the list of all panels.

Obviously, even the new System Settings app still has tons of shortcomings that should be addressed.
 
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I use a MacBook Pro at work, a MacBook Pro and a Mac Mini at home, both work and home iPhones, and small and large iPad. I haven't seen anything like what the OP posted, and I've been using Macs for a couple of decades now.
 
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MacOS has been pretty much rock solid for me on both my M1 MacBook Air and M3 Pro MacBook Pro. I've even been running macOS 15 beta for months now and super stable. Obviously much of this is workflow/app/software dependent but it's been great for me for years.
 
In all fairness, on Ventura, System Settings FINALLY were redesigned to match the Preferences paradigm of all normal apps on the Mac. That is, we finally have a sidebar with all settings groups listed and visible at all times. Instead of the idiotic approach of the original System Preferences where we had to constantly go back and forth between individual panels and the list of all panels.

Obviously, even the new System Settings app still has tons of shortcomings that should be addressed.

I honestly fail to see why System Settings changes are such a big deal. It's neither super confusing nor super intuitive, and I don't recall the old settings being much better or worse.

At any rate, I use search to find the setting I am looking for.

The design of Settings is certainly one part of MacOS I have zero problems with. Now, what settings can or can't be changed is a different story...
 
I honestly fail to see why System Settings changes are such a big deal. It's neither super confusing nor super intuitive, and I don't recall the old settings being much better or worse.

At any rate, I use search to find the setting I am looking for.

The design of Settings is certainly one part of MacOS I have zero problems with. Now, what settings can or can't be changed is a different story...
I've come from Tiger to a patched Catalina OS and do find the changes to System Settings to not be intuitive any longer. I use the word intuitive intentionally as it used to be easy to navigate to customize or trouble shoot under quite logical headers.

You're right that the Search function will get you there nowadays BUT only if you're using the very specific search terms or keywords in the first place. I consider this to be a limitation.
 
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Rioting in the streets? ;)
It’s because Mac is the only way to develop apps for iPhone and other Apple platforms. That’s 42 million registered developers paying Apple $99 a year for the privilege. And for many of those millions of developers it’s the only reason they bought their Mac hardware as well.
 
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It’s because Mac is the only way to develop apps for iPhone and other Apple platforms. That’s 42 million registered developers paying Apple $99 a year for the privilege. And for many of those millions of developers it’s the only reason they bought their Mac hardware as well.
So.........cost of doing business.

Like many other businesses have.

They having a Ford dealership business without spending MILLIONS on hardware, training and other requirements to satisfy Ford.
 
So.........cost of doing business.

Like many other businesses have.

They having a Ford dealership business without spending MILLIONS on hardware, training and other requirements to satisfy Ford.
I’m not saying users shouldn’t have to pay for Apple’s developer program, I was pointing out why Apple cannot eliminate things like Terminal support. Apple uses Mac to shore up development of all its other platforms.
 
What is the primary concept behind a company that sells devices? It is to sell as many as possible. Consequently, the stability of the operating system may not be as crucial, given that it already boasts a substantial fan base. In contrast to its competitor, Microsoft, the operating system holds significant importance, as users and enthusiasts are drawn to the operating system itself rather than the device it operates on—consumers have a plethora of devices to choose from across various manufacturers.
 
Its quite simple to ruin mac business.

Apple depend on two companies, adobe and microsoft, they drive the OS industry.

If they both stops supporting its apps on macos, theres no productivity, customer will look elsewhere.

If adobe and microsoft starts to release its software for linux, mac business will break as apple hw prices, and appstore fees wont be justified.

Mac is the only alternative for those who cant stomach windows and need to do productivity. And 99% of us needs it sooner or later.

If you want a revolution, start writing a open-letter to Adobe and Microsoft, because they are the ones locking the industry in two OSes…

Or let the europeans politics know that they can stop some apple abuses by enforcing by law large sw companies to support its apps on “at least one open source OS”. You could also ask for you legislator.

Start a poll here. If you could have microsoft office, outlook, photoshop, premiere and related apps on linux, why would you pay apple prices for hw?

As soon as both companies support its sw on linux all the rest of industry will be supporting it… quite simple..
 
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...your protest shouldnt be against apple, but against Adobe and Microsoft, because they are locking the industry in two OSes…
If your only computer is a Mac, why should you protest against Microsoft? 😏
 
Mouse acceleration. The way Mac does it just feels unnatural. Again, every other OS I used has it the same way as Windows. Can't be just me.
The problem for new Mac users coming from other platforms is that they are usually accustomed to keeping their wrist on the desk while moving the mouse pointer. The acceleration curve on Windows (and many Linux distributions) is unusually linear for this reason.

Keep the speed setting at 4 or 5, and just gently move your mouse without keeping your wrist fixed on the desk. In other words, move the mouse naturally without twisting your wrist. I've seen many former Windows users get confused by this. Mouse acceleration on macOS works the way it does because it allows users to precisely move the pointer in small increments without overshooting. There is obviously also an acceleration curve which kicks in when you move the mouse quickly, since your screen is likely larger than your desk area.

If you still can't get used it, or if the particular mouse you are using has an unusual DPI that does not play well with the default acceleration curve in macOS, use LinearMouse and experiment with the pointer acceleration and pointer speed settings to suit your preferences. Alternatively, you can disable pointer acceleration entirely by navigating to System Settings > Mouse > Advanced if you are running macOS 14 or newer. For older versions of macOS, there is no built-in option, but you can also disable pointer acceleration in LinearMouse.

The recent update to System Settings is a prime example of Apple's incompetence. Instead of real improvements, we get redesigned chaos that lacks any comprehensible structure. Where are the color codings that could at least visually guide us through this labyrinth? Instead, we are flooded with pointless features and useless bugs, while essential functions are neglected.
I absolutely hate the new "System Settings" app. There was nothing wrong with the old System Preferences app; they just decided in their infinite ****ing wisdom to unify settings between the iPhone and the Mac by bringing the awful settings UI from iOS onto the Mac.

I could never find anything in iOS settings and I have the same issue with the System Settings on macOS. It's just ****ing awful.
 
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I am genuinely curious what's causing you to reboot multiple times a day. I'm not doubting you, I'm just curious what's causing this condition for you. My uptimes are however long it is between updates, so months at a time. And I'm running on a M2Pro Mini, so if you have a $5K machine, you definitely shouldn't be seeing this many problems.
Here are 2 examples.

1. Enjoy your gradually reducing download speeds.
2. If you are doing some audio/video conversion, enjoy your gradually reducing conversion speeds.

There's a lot of memory leaks in MacOS, post Big Sur. Apple has Zero intention of addressing these. Restart your machine and everything is back to normal.
 
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I've come from Tiger to a patched Catalina OS and do find the changes to System Settings to not be intuitive any longer. I use the word intuitive intentionally as it used to be easy to navigate to customize or trouble shoot under quite logical headers.

You're right that the Search function will get you there nowadays BUT only if you're using the very specific search terms or keywords in the first place. I consider this to be a limitation.

Some crucial settings cannot be found with the search... that's the misery.

But as tech evolves we need to adapt 🫡

Once it was the other way around, now tech is ruling a lot of things in our lives.


(Try to NOT use your devices for 7 days and watch yourself)
 
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There's a lot of memory leaks in MacOS, post Big Sur. Apple has Zero intention of addressing these. Restart your machine and everything is back to normal.
Memory leaks caused by what part of the system? Userland applications, or at the kernel level? Do you notice anything in Activity Monitor that could suggest memory leaks caused by running applications?
 
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For years, I have watched with growing dismay as the quality of macOS continues to decline with each update. Once-valued programs like Music, Photos, Mail, and Apple TV have become torturous to use. They ignore basic principles of usability and logic, as if Apple has forgotten all understanding of consistent design.

As someone that had ~15,000 TV episodes (hundreds of SHOWS, with 5-10 seasons 24 episodes each it adds up), 500 movies, over 10,000 songs, 1,000 podcast episodes etc. iTunes was unsustainable. I much prefer the Music, TV, Podcasts setup. I love their UI and how it works. I don't think its ignoring "basic usability" if people out there like it.
 
Its quite simple to ruin mac business.

Apple depend on two companies, adobe and microsoft, they drive the OS industry.

If they both stops supporting its apps on macos, theres no productivity, customer will look elsewhere.

If adobe and microsoft starts to release its software for linux, mac business will break as apple hw prices, and appstore fees wont be justified.

Mac is the only alternative for those who cant stomach windows and need to do productivity. And 99% of us needs it sooner or later.

If you want a revolution, start writing a open-letter to Adobe and Microsoft, because they are the ones locking the industry in two OSes…

Or let the europeans politics know that they can stop some apple abuses by enforcing by law large sw companies to support its apps on “at least one open source OS”. You could also ask for you legislator.

Start a poll here. If you could have microsoft office, outlook, photoshop, premiere and related apps on linux, why would you pay apple prices for hw?

As soon as both companies support its sw on linux all the rest of industry will be supporting it… quite simple..
I bet you that the vast majority of people at Starbucks glued to their MBAs and MBPs while listening to music on their Apple branded headphones rarely use any office application.

The #1 thing that helps to sell consumer grade Macs is the iPhone. The #2 is trendiness.

MS didn’t open up Office on MacOS to help Apple. They did that to maintain the lead of their Office suite and to prevent Apple or somebody else from developing a dangerous enough competition. Especially since MS was forced to change their office file formats to be more open.

Now, Apple suite would probably never become a true MSO competitor. The most important part of Office is Excel, and Numbers is just too different.

But LibreOffice is very close to MSO, it shares the same basic workflows and design elements. It still lacks full compatibility with Office files, you inevitably lose some formatting trying to edit an Excel or Word document in LO, and it’s still a bit clunky and has that outdated 90s look.

But with enough investment and resources allocated to it, LO could be improved to the point where you could open a Calc file in Excel and not lose any formatting. And most people and organizations aren’t utilizing even 70% of Excel capabilities, so the limitations of Calc aren’t going to stop them.

Apple certainly has enough money to make LibreOffice (or its Apple branded derivative) into a major competitor for MSO with relative ease. So MS is playing it smart by providing a Mac version of Office.

Now, one of the biggest things that MS has a clear advantage over Apple in is gaming. And they are going to hold onto that advantage as long as Apple doesn’t start getting serious about developing its own serious gaming platform.

And Linux is a niche OS for the desktop environment. The cost of a Windows license is trivial compared to the costs (not on lot monetary) of switching to a Linux based system. An average consumer isn’t going to switch to Linux just because it can now support Office or Adobe Suite. They still have to pay the cost of Adobe licenses, so it’s not like they save any money. And Linux is still not a complete ecosystem from a consumer perspective. You still need lots and lots of bandaids to make things work, and rely on many 3rd party solutions that need extensive tweaking and look like they were developed 35 years ago in somebody’s basement.

You also don’t have a single unified Linux ecosystem to design for. The field is too fragmented and there’s too many cooks in the kitchen and things keep changing. Optimizing Adobe Suit for Linux would pose significant challenges. So, why should Adobe care - where’s the money in it for them ?
 
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10.6 Snow Leopard was literally advertised as a bug fix and stability release, yet launched with a bug that was literally deleting people’s home folders if they logged out of their account. Tons of data loss.
Precisely this, this is the worst experience I ever faced in my 40 years of using computers. It was at this moment I learned my lesson of not backing up pretty much at least daily sometimes multiple times daily. Back then it was a manual process, but now with OneDrive, iCloud, Dropbox, etc it is all automated for the most part.

This single bug caused me to go back to Windows, I lost so much data due to this I was furious. Combine this with the lack of responses from Apple for the high end market with the 2013 Mac Pro fiasco I was almost done with Apple had just an i9 iMac but had 6 Windows PCs in my workflow. Until Apple Silicon came out. macOS is better than ever IMO, even better experience than Windows 10 and 11 for me.
 
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An Open Letter to the Mac Community: The Decline of macOS​


Dear Apple Enthusiasts,

As a longtime Mac user who purchased my first Mac II in 1987 and whose professional career as a designer has been closely intertwined with the Mac, it is with a heavy heart and deep disappointment that I must confess today: I have lost all faith in Apple's ability to produce functional software for the Mac. What was once a beacon of user-friendliness and innovation is increasingly degenerating into a dysfunctional patchwork of promises and disappointments.

For years, I have watched with growing dismay as the quality of macOS continues to decline with each update. Once-valued programs like Music, Photos, Mail, and Apple TV have become torturous to use. They ignore basic principles of usability and logic, as if Apple has forgotten all understanding of consistent design.

The recent update to System Settings is a prime example of Apple's incompetence. Instead of real improvements, we get redesigned chaos that lacks any comprehensible structure. Where are the color codings that could at least visually guide us through this labyrinth? Instead, we are flooded with pointless features and useless bugs, while essential functions are neglected.

Apple's marketing promises us the moon, but the reality is sobering. Many of the grandly announced features prove useless in practice, while once reliable features fail more and more frequently. It's as if the entire macOS ecosystem is falling apart before our eyes.

Can Apple's much-touted AI still save this sinking ship? I strongly doubt it. My confidence that Apple is still capable of delivering even remotely everyday usable software for its admittedly excellent hardware has been shaken.

What good is a $5000 hardware setup if I have to restart the computer multiple times a day and buy expensive alternatives for half of the pre-installed programs just to get basic functionality?

Apple has clearly lost its compass. There is a lack of a plausible overall concept for macOS. Instead, we are fobbed off with an incoherent hodgepodge of poorly made and even more poorly maintained applications.

It's time for us as a community to raise our voices and hold Apple accountable. We deserve better. We deserve an operating system that lives up to the performance of the hardware, that is consistent, reliable, and innovative.

Apple, listen to us: Your focus may lie elsewhere, but don't forget the loyal Mac users who made you great. Remember your roots, the principles that once distinguished macOS. Only then can you regain the lost trust.

With deep concern and hope for improvement, Arne Thaysen

Usability aside (I agree that it deteriorated substantially, but this is subjective, after all), software became a total garbage in terms of functionality and reliability. Every next update of Xcode breaks something, and that may not get fixed for months. Last time they broke ld, and with Xcode 16 they broke pretty much everything from gcc and clang to SuiteSparse.
 
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